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[venom56321489]

Before the horrible ending I was telling people you have to get this game. I even bought ME2 as Christmas gifts for 3 friends who had not played a mass effect game. That is how supportive Bioware fans are when treated right. Treated wrong we are equally passionate just in the reverse direction. All at Bioware should understand why we were so angry, if you really do look at all the feedback it’s pretty clear. This is your chance Bioware to prove you care about us fans. Do the right thing.

[Magnifiscent]

 Just incase you guys get this far and haven't read this exact same thing several dozen times already:

The game ending was fine.

Yeah, I was left a little unfulfilled.  It was bitter-sweet.  I was looking forward to at least a brief respite for the Galaxy after such a long fight.  I don't feel like I got to see what my hard work purchased other than a few seconds of character reaction and a giant question mark.

I saw several characters that I cared about die.  It would be nice to know that those deaths purchased at least a little peace if even for a short time.

Still, it's a good story.  The team should feel really good (and I'm sure they do) about the game they made.  Anything that can garner ANY sort of emotional reaction, much less one like this, has done a good job.  It resonates with people in some way.  That's called successful writing.

I'll be interested to see what you guys come up with for expanding some of the endings for us.  Maybe just some elaboration would be enough.

Honestly, I'm most interested in seeing about the Krogan.  I made decisions throughout the series that affected the fate of their entire race.  What does the future hold for them?  Was it worth it?  I'm dying to know!

People like me may be in the minority, or even in the silent majority, but we're out there.  

Thanks for the chance to offer input.  This may be your game, but I feel like I own some of the story too.

Modifié par Magnifiscent, 21 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[Errationatus]

corpselover wrote...

No your post amounted to nothing more than fluff and thinly veiled insults at other members of the community. You didn't even try to justify or comment on the content of the ending. 

 

Well, if you had actually read what I wrote, you would have seen that my intent - and let me make this clear, because I was apparently too subtle for some - was not to talk about the endings, since that has been done to vomitious excess, but as to why, IMO, it even got this far.  Again, you prove the point of my initial assertions.

 
You just insulted critics of the ending, and tried to pass yourself off as elite and better able to comprehend the content.  Your post was probably the least insightful in the entire thread.

Again, you obviously did not read what I'd initially wrote.  Too long, was it?

[Bojan1es]

Seems DR Ray Muzyka missed the point of this last ten days or so, I'm guessing he is not one of the BioWare people paying attention to "On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening."

Maybe he will pay attention to the new thread "BioWare, you wanted commentary on how to fix this, start with the FALSE ADVERTISING!"

Modifié par Bojan1es, 21 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[ragnorok87]

well watch this important polictical leaders review on the ending. its quite good.
http://knowyourmeme....dings-reception

[FlashHand777]

Good to see there might be a proper, coherent, thought out conclusion, the rest of the game was superb and it is saddening to see how overboard some have gone in personal threats.

[SmellyMetal]

"This is your chance Bioware to prove you care about us fans. Do the right thing. "

LOL!

All they'll do is add more plotholes. Muzyka just said pretty clear they won't change the end, only explain more LOL

The most insulting part is - once again - saying how great the press' reactions were.

YES, you hired an IGN employee as a character for your game. Of course IGN won't say your game is bad.

Now let's look at the users reactions on metacritic where you can't "buy" people:

3.7 based on 2341 Ratings (PC)
3.7 based on 738 Ratings (PS3)
4.9 based on 1991 Ratings (360)

Says it all lol. Goodbye.

[Moniterio]

This situation has put me in a very contemplative mood. Movies have come and gone. Games, books and TV shows too. Some of them have had the most horrific endings I'll ever see, and sure that usually sullies the movie or form of entertainment for me, but I have never seen this level of entitlement before. No one demanded the writer/s, directors, actors, etc come back and redo it. We accept it. Don't get me wrong here, I was a little disappointed with the ending to ME3. But does that truly undo the hundreds of hours I've put in to these games getting there? For me the answer is no, it doesn't.

I tried to think very hard about why I was disappointed. Ultimately I think it is what has been said a dozen times before. Even though Shepard gave his life to end the struggle(something that I fully stand behind in the endings), there was never the big confrontation I wanted. My army against theirs. Soldiers of all races working together in a glorious cut scene sequence. Seeing my friends and long time allies wreaking havoc or falling to an overwhelming force. This is what I wanted to see. If I had gotten that moment, then the endings wouldn't have bothered me at all.

To suggest that this ending was truly any different from the first two games is just silly, and it shouldn't be. At the end of ME1 and 2 you are given two choices. It didn't matter how good or evil you were, how many people you helped or killed. All it came down to was save the council or not and destroy the base or not. The cut scenes were fairly similar in those two games as well. The reason for this, I believe, is continuity. Bioware wants to continue the Mass Effect universe and to do that(in a way that enables importing files from ME3) the ending needs to be largely uniform. Can you imagine Bioware having to account for two completely different universes in a future title?

Ray, Greg, and the Bioware team, I want you to be sure you know you created something great. All three games and the universe they span are, in fact, works of art, and they have been enjoyed. Unfortunately, those that are happy with things tend not to speak out as much as those that are unhappy, but they are out there too. If you happen to do something to the ending, I'm sure I'll be happy. If you don't? Then I still enjoyed every minute of these games. The fact that such emotions can be invoked by a series of games says quite a bit about their quality.

[sistersafetypin]

kyles3 wrote...

I dig what Dr. Ray's saying. You can maintain artistic integrity and still respond to constructive feedback; it doesn't have to be one or the other. Looking forward to what's coming and enjoying the 99% of ME3 that doesn't crush my soul in the meantime.

I think this was the apology I was looking for. Other than that, I can wait until April to see what is said/delivered... However, I will still keep the pressure up and my wallet will still be closed until an Ending DLC/Expansion is released.

Mass Effect is without a doubt, my favorite gaming series. It's the bar I hold all others to, and if I don't encourage my most trusted Developer to do the best they can then how can I expect others to?

Still Holding the Line

[Justin2k]

Firstly Jessica Merizan should be your employee of the day/week/month/year and I hope what has been a difficult time for her turns out to be a shining moment in her career because she has been an absolute star with the way she has been dealing with things.

In regard to Mass Effect 3 I really liked it and would agree it was a very good game but personally I prefer Dragon Age Origins and the previous two Mass Effects.

I didn't like how multiplayer was shoehorned in.  I can understand the appeal of multiplayer gaming, and it is a fun little game, but it seems like it came at the expense of proper meaningful sidequests in the single player game which is not why I play Bioware games or Mass Effect.  Again the Kinect functionality might be great, but the majority would surely have rather you had kept the choice dialogue system from the previous games rather than spend development time on new systems.

It all seemed like the game was being dumbed down to appeal to the Gears of War player.  But those players prefer games with less dialogue, not less choice in dialogue.

As for the ending, I expected Shepard to die personally.  But not like this, it was just very anticlimatic, there are big plotholes and overall it was just a bit of wasted potential in my opinion.  It seemed rushed.

I bought the DLC and felt that it really should have been part of the game.  It didn't feel like Zaeed or Kasumi, the character was completely integrated and ready to go on day one and feel this is a dangerous precedent for the gaming industry.  What will you leave out next time?  A whole story arc?  An ending? 

Overall since Dragon Age 2 I've been less impressed with Bioware games.  Thats a shame because I played and beat every single one previous multiple times and loved them all.  You seem to be aiming less for RPG and more for action.  I saw a documentary with you stating you started the company because you loved playing RPGs and wanted to make your own.  Maybe EA is forcing this kind of action content on you?  I don't know.  But you're losing what made your games special.  Bioware games didn't need gimmicks or even amazing graphics.  Just a great plot and dialogue system.

Also there were weird creative choices.  Why get rid of the epic mass effect theme for the last game?  Why get rid of Mordin's voice actor?

With all the new features and change in how you tell the narrative, this felt more like a spin off than the third part of the triology I had been waiting years for.  And while the game was good, it just felt like a disappointment in all honesty.  I cannot see myself playing again as it was so linear and the ending just makes it redundant.

Sorry for the negativity but thank you for all the hours of gaming you have given in the past.  Also please please take a step back with dragon age.  Origins was infinetly superior to it's sequel.  Many Thanks.

Modifié par Justin2k, 21 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[oniradix]

The more I read the post from the people at BioWare the less hope I have that they are going to change much of anything. It sounds more like we are going to get a few lines of “explanation” packaged in the next DLC that they already had planned (and will happen before the end of the game). They can still sell their DLC and say to the fans “we care, look you have your explanation” with out changing much of anything. This way it does not cost them much to make and they can look good to the “mainstream” media. I think, in their eyes, if they try and changing the ending it will cost too much and take too long, and that they think the fans has a short attention span and as soon as the new DLC comes out (regardless of new ending, explanation, or nothing) everyone will buy it.

I wish they would watch this vid from Bethesda:

http://www.bethblog....ve-on-gamespot/

A few things stand out. Admit your mistakes and you design the games for the players . . . they are the one who buy it and play it over and over again.

Modifié par oniradix, 21 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[kaisterbahn]

Doctor? lol

[MC P Pants]

I have a dark fantasy that they release a text log that states Shepard went on to get a degree in home economics, as withoutout a war to fight, a soldier needs a back up plan. Just to stick it to the whining fans.
Im also disgusted in the gaming community for the various absurd degrees people have gone to to voice their displeasure - the letter is 100% accurate when it stated it has gone too far.
Bioware are amazing to their community to do this - lets hope people remember that.
I am excited to see what they come up with though - they certainly succeded in leaving the ending open to interpretation, anything they add beyond the current ending will potentially nullify that. Im on board with the indoctrination theory, anything else so far leaves too many plot holes - so it will be very interesting to see.

[avatar2396]

I appreciate the post by the good dr. It is somewhat vague which is understandable. It sounds like the ending arent changing from my interpretation. My big beef which i stated before is you cant choose how to really end the story.

[Womblebane]

Small request - the ending as it is now should ideally remain unmodified as an option (I like it).

[sistersafetypin]

kaisterbahn wrote...

Doctor? lol

He is one. He and the other creators met while getting their Doctorates 

Modifié par sistersafetypin, 21 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[furryrage59]

Wipes manly tear

<3 BW

[nikola8]

kaisterbahn wrote...

Doctor? lol

Actually Bioware was founded by three practicing doctors - Muzyka, Greg Zeschuk, and Augustine Yip.  When they were developing Baldur's Gate, they were also still practicing as well.  Eventually, Muzyka and Zeschuk left the medical profession to focus fully on games and Yip returned to medicine full time, leaving Bioware.  Kind of an interesting story, but yeah, he's a doctor.

[MsKlaussen]

Siven80 wrote...

I just want the ending to make sense.........is that too much to ask?

Kevin Flynn called.

He said sometimes life has a way of moving you past needs and wants.


hehe  

[venom56321489]

As reviews go It would get a perfect score if that is the only game someone played from the series. It acts more as a stand alone game.

In regards to Rays statement- Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics

[DadeLeviathan]

And here I thought I couldn't respect Greg and Ray any more. I was wrong. My respect for Ray just grew by about 100%. Although I think his profile picture there needs to change. He looks like he was just told that someone kicked his puppy. Did someone kick his puppy? i hope not, that wouldn't be nice.

[wetnasty]

So they eventually eluded that they were going to give you the closure you wanted and people are still complaining.

Hilarious. Same old BSN.

[TLK Spires]

okay, so someone let us know that they're listening. great. i'll do backflips when something is actually done that can't be construed as 'just damage control'.