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To Mass Effect 3 players, from Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare


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ArcanistLibram wrote...

My expectations of Mass Effect 3 were based on Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2 and the marketing of Mass Effect 3.

The marketing repeatedly told us that the player's choices would affect the ending and that " It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you
can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or
C....." To put it bluntly, this is false advertising. The endings are "A, B or C" and there's nothing more sophisticated about them. Either the marketing started before the game was ready to be advertised or it deliberately lied about the game's content. I expected an ending that was affected by my choices all the way back to Mass Effect 1 because that is what you told me to expect.


THIS!!!!!!!!

Now talking b-s about artistic freedom When You take our money on THIS promise...
Then You can't yap about artistic freedom, or artistic vision...
False advertising...
Sure Call it Your freedom, but if so You knew all along You were lying trying to sell the game and should go to court for false advertising/Scamsales as in not selling the product You get paid for and say You are selling. If I sell You a lion for $10000 and You get a poodle in lioncut You will NOT be happy if I claim artistic freedom no matter if I think it looks like a lion, it's not what I was offering for sale!

No matter how much people want to say You did a great thing, keeping to the line about artistic freedom after that salespitch we've been drowned in to buy a nonexisting product (The ending where all our actions matter etc) is low...

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I challenge Ray and Casey to play through the entire trilogy, read through the numerous interviews they gave about the Mass Effect franchise, and then sincerely tell us all that the last 15 minutes of the game fit the character of the series they promised and delivered. If they can,, then I, and numerous other gamers, must be significantly, cognitively impaired to not see how the ending appropriately reflects the series.

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Thanks you for listening us BW. i know you could be better with new ending possibility:kissing:

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I will buy all ME DLCs. I love this game and I never thought that ending was so awful as some are trying to lead many, to believe.

Ofcourse the end game cutscenes need improvement but it is still the best game out there. Completely blows out other RPGs like Skyrim, specially in gameplay department.

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MelancholySpork wrote...

I don't really see what they could change for the better without just scrapping the current ending and doing it over. Too many huge problems need to be fixed. They approached the ending the wrong way, and I don't really see why tacking more content onto the end of it will help. It would just be extraneous.

Unless they're gonna use the indoctrination theory, there's just too much mess to clean up. While I'm glad that they're listening to their fans, it's too little too late. This should have begun when fans had the same reaction to the leaked script.


That's the ingenious thing about the indoctrination theory, they don't have to change anything about the ending just continue building on it, and it would still make sense.

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Great news.
Now i fear for the quality of the content instead of possiblity of creating it. This also means that they didnt plan to make indoctrination sequence(i dont know how they could create so many hints about it without noticing themselves) Anyway glad things got moved from the deadpoint

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I personally like the destroy the reaper ending and have no problem with this but would like an explanation on how Liara survived when she was with me in the last fight and also what really happened to Earth and some of the other planets.

I would also like to know if there are enough points in SP to get the good ending because i have not been able to do this yet.

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     I just want to say a big THANK YOU to Bioware for creating a beautiful, creative and rich world that is the Mass Effect Universe.  It is a deep, meaningful, and at times emotional place where I've spent a good deal of time.  I've been a BIG fan ever since finishing the first game, Mass Effect.  My response after completing the first game was "I LOVE this game."  My response after finishing the second game, "The is crazy cool as crap!"  Needless to say my expectations for the third and final game (to Command Shepard's story) were high.  I have to say I felt like I got the wind knocked out of me when the credits started to roll.

     That being said, I don't think Bioware should change the ending.  I do think we all (Mass Effect Lovers) would appreciate a better version of the ending.  An ending that would give us a greater sense of closure and that would fill in some much needed plot holes.  I appreciate the fact that Bioware does truley care and they listen to the fans.  I have a sneaking suspicion that they may feel convicted about the way they ended the third game.

     I do want to appologize for the fans who find it hard to express thier feelings without personally attacking the working staff at Bioware.  I must say that some of them are quite passionate.  No one deserves to be treated that way!  The Bioware Staff have worked too hard to be assaulted in that manner.  Also kudos to the Bioware staff for the mature way in which they have handled all the criticism.  

              

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Greywinter wrote...

I will buy all ME DLCs. I love this game and I never thought that ending was so awful as some are trying to lead many, to believe.

Ofcourse the end game cutscenes need improvement but it is still the best game out there. Completely blows out other RPGs like Skyrim, specially in gameplay department.


Glad you like it that much.Still better than Skyrim.To you not to me.I also prefer ME 2 to ME 3.It isn't even in the same class as DAO.To each his own.

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And somehow, with all that heartfelt dialog, he still comes across like a condescending politician.

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Did he just ask us to tell our friends this game is worth buying?
I LIKE my friends. Why would I inflict a ME3 ending upon them?

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So does he really confirm there is going to be a new ending? It's not clear enough in my opinion.

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I want to thanks the team for the awsome game you create. I will still replay the game for the story and for the LI even if the end wasnt the perfect one.

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Tobey2011 wrote...

So does he really confirm there is going to be a new ending? It's not clear enough in my opinion.


More of their going to add to the endings to have them make more sense which was the main problem.The whole tell your friends thing was not needed , because someone should be able to see the game is good for them self.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 22 mars 2012 - 01:02 .


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Bioware,

I would like to personally thank you. I ended up shelving the game until this fiasco was resolved because I heard of the terrible ending(s) and it would possibly be resolved. I am extremely happy to hear that it will potentially be fixed.

Thanks,
A Fan

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Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

Did he just ask us to tell our friends this game is worth buying?
I LIKE my friends. Why would I inflict a ME3 ending upon them?


I <3 you. Really.

My best friend and her brother both played Mass Effect and she's halfway through Mass Effect 2. Because of the discussions they've heard another friend and I have and the things they've seen online, they decided to each buy a copy of Skyrim instead of ME3 so they wouldn't have to go through that ending.

I think they made the right decision. With the number of used copies of ME3 showing up on GameStop shelves, it'd be cheaper for them to make their decision in a month or two. See if BioWare really does come through for the fans before experiencing this.

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So...75 critics liked the game.....compared to what, 50k+ people that didn't like it and had actually purchased it? Or even just the ~4k people that decided to show their dislike of the endings by donating to a charity? 4000 is a much larger number than 75....at least it was when I went through math.

And question, the gamer mags aren't your customer base, the people who purchase your product are your customers, or did you forget that? And as a customer, we have a right to complain when what was explicitly promised was not delivered....or even if we just didn't like it.

Plus, any media consumer worth the gray matter between their ears is going to take a gamer mag review with a grain of salt.....after all....who in essence underwrites their paycheck? The companies that advertise with their publication. Give a bad review...and they can be shut out of getting a free pre-release copy to review of new games being released by that publisher.....don't get a chance to review the newest Halo or CoD with the rest of the masses? No mag sales....means no work (think newspaper industry). It's a poor business model to pay attention and give preferential weight to the critics that you backhandedly support, versus paying attention to the people that make your jobs, and make your creation of 'art' possible.

And I would beg to differ being able to call the ending of the ME trilogy art. The ending of ME3 is not art, it's not avant guarde, it's not different, it's not beautiful, it doesn't make a person think and ponder deep thoughts. The end as it stands is a tired cliche that was poorly executed.

'Artists' who do not create art that is to the tastes of their customers are called starving artists.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Tobey2011 wrote...

So does he really confirm there is going to be a new ending? It's not clear enough in my opinion.


More of their going to add to the endings to have them make more sense which was the main problem.


No, that's ONE problem people have with the ending. The entire premise presented by that ending mangles the canon of the series and contradicts itself, but that's still just one part of the problem. Another is that Shepard meekly accepts this premise and the choices presented to him, which is completely out of character for Shepard and the franchise. And another problem is that fact that all 3 endings are the same save for different colored explosions.
Bioware got lazy on the most important part of the game, and it's so blatantly obvious.

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GhostV9 wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on
this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between
the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan
feedback we’ve received.
"

They still aren't changing the ending then. Just more DLC..


Yeah... But I think I'll hold on to my ME3 and see what this "closure dlc" is. Will it be character DLC to resolve some of the issues there? Or will it be something like "Take back Omega" or "Save the lost N7" ...?
 
If it's the latter... then me and bioware have very different ideas on closure.

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RiouHotaru wrote...

Atilius the Hun wrote...

I'm one of those who enjoyed the ending and wants to keep the options in place with a little more explanation.

Any changes to the ending should be based on the addition of different outcomes so that those who are complaining about their choices can select something else. In other words, give these folks more appealing conclusions while keeping the old conclusions in place for folks like me who enjoyed it. Make it a win all solution for everyone (Devs included).


This.  Keep the endings as is, but give better context.  Because really, that's ALL the endings are lacking is a proper context.


No.  Not true.  No context can change the fact that the Normandy crashed on a planet that they later named Incestus because EVERYONE on that planet, after just a few generations of babies, IS BROTHER AND SISTER.  That makes stargazer at the end...a FREAK...and the kid he's telling stories to a BIGGER freak.  

So, you like the incest world ending for the Normandy crew do you?  With a lonely and ultimate dead Tali and Garrus? 

Context doesn't fix this crock.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Today we have a message from BioWare Co-Founder Ray Muzyka to Mass Effect players.

Please use this thread for your comment's on Ray's blog.



:devil:


I hope for a new ending or more options in the current ones. Of course that's what we're all hoping for a new ending, one that doesn't include Shepard death and the destruction of the citadel and mass relays with the current ending and the disprove of the indoctrination theory it's getting a lot harder to speculate what they're planning to do Dr.Ray was clear about providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. Which probably means they can't just change the ending and what happened in the cutscenes.
As i remember it took the Protheans decades to build a tiny version of a mass relay that only linked from Ilos to the citadel(The HUB) and it will probably be harder considering the current events/choices to make a new one or link it to anywhere else in the galaxy after the Mass relays and the main hub (Citadel) destroyed.

Whatever was the closure and clarity Bioware is going to provide i just hope it wont be Matriarch Liara 900 years later on a celebration for opening the first Mass Relay after the occurrence of the current events.

Nevertheless, Thank you Dr.Ray <3 what we heard gave us a big comfort at least a lot bigger than we had for the last two weeks.

Modifié par Ashley Foster, 22 mars 2012 - 01:27 .


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Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

Did he just ask us to tell our friends this game is worth buying?
I LIKE my friends. Why would I inflict a ME3 ending upon them?


I would be more than happy to recommend ME1 and ME2.  ME3...not so much...yet.  Wouldn't want to ruin the first two for them.

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Thank you for Mass Effect. It is a phenomenal game. I love video games that tell a story and aim for an artistic statement. There aren't nearly enough like Mass Effect.

Like many, I found it difficult to avoid learning about the controversy over the ending before I experienced it. Certainly, that flavored my perception of the ending, but I found the ending of the series to be a triumph on most (though not all) counts:

EDITED FROM ORIGINAL FOR SPOILERS. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

1) I appreciated the moral ambiguity of the ending. I appreciate it that you didn't make it an easy, obviously "good" choice to take the most destructive path; that would've been a pretty morally horrific thing to say, given what you'd revealed to that point. It's true that there was a lot of new information at the end of the game, but I didn't find any of it to be jarring.

2) I particularly appreciate the reversal (assuming the "Indoctrination" theory is not later revealed to be the only valid interpretation of the story) in which a previously "good" answer was observed to be fearful and destructive (which it was) while it was also observed that previously villainous answers would preserve much more. The idea that good intentions mean good actions mean a good person is a pretty powerful evil, and I'd like to thank you for not making things that simple.

3) I also appreciated the amount of sacrifice required of both Shepard and the galaxy. It spoils nothing to say that honestly, if I had been able to beat the Cthulhubots with a sniper rifle and go have blue babies without further consequence for anyone, I would've felt a bit patronized. You created a world in which, for "success", the cosmic order had to fundamentally shift, and the final conflict was orders of magnitude larger than any of the impossible things Shepard had done to date. Big things should have to change to allow that, personally and on a larger scale. You followed through sensibly.

I hope it's not considered a spoiler to say that I did find the final shots of the Normandy to be jarring, as Mass Effect had never before put me in a position in which I had neither the context to parse an event literally nor any cues that I should parse it symbolically, and the fate of those I cared most was a troubling time to start. Symbolically, it works, and I've usually interpreted it that way, because you didn't give me enough to do otherwise. Since seeing it, I've come up with a few really neat ideas about what it could have literally meant, but I'd really love to hear more about what happened to my friends. And I guess it'd be cool to have more differentiation in ending cinematics (though clearly you can't actually permute every choice we've ever made into a unique cinematic; that's just not how budgets work at all.) The implication that you might "clarify" the ending is, to my mind, just what is needed: to me the ending feels fitting but incomplete. I'd like to also put in a personal plea not to do the traditional voiced-over or still-shot-text sequence of where are they now blurbs; it was pretty cool when Fallout 1 did it, but by now it really feels jarringly beneath the state of the art, and definitely beneath the storytelling of Mass Effect.

I'd finally like to offer the perspective of a former hospice nurse, in support of your team. All of the corporate and financial pressures aside, I can only imagine that the vitriol some of your fans have spewed on you in the last few weeks must be difficult at best. Watching the reaction to the ending of this game as a student of grief has been completely fascinating. I watched the discourse go from focus on the Indoctrination theory (the end didn't really happen) to vitriolic hatred to attempted (if kinda hilarious) lawsuits, and sat there internally checking off the Kubler-Ross stages of grief. Sadly, this isn't to say that your angrier fans will get over it soon; grief doesn't actually follow a timeline or schedule. Still, think about that: you actually created a video game story which people are grieving. As inappropriate as some of the more horrific parts of the backlash have been, they are (sort of) coming from a place of love for the story you told them. Take that as a triumph if you can, and thanks for listening to the aggrieved even when they occasionally lash out. Grieving people will do that, and it's not because they're immature, or bad people; it's just because they're people, faced with the perception of death/change. The game you made is truly great, and a lot of people, self included, love it to pieces.

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I don't really have much to add to this but.....

Thanks BioWare!!!

You guys really care about the consumer. Seriously, no other developer would listen to and honor their fans the way that you guys do. The ending may not have been perfect the first time around, but Im confident you guys will do something amazing this time around.

You guys still amaze me daily. Thanks again for your passion and dedication to all of us fans.

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Mariyanna wrote...

Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

Did he just ask us to tell our friends this game is worth buying?
I LIKE my friends. Why would I inflict a ME3 ending upon them?


I <3 you. Really.

My best friend and her brother both played Mass Effect and she's halfway through Mass Effect 2. Because of the discussions they've heard another friend and I have and the things they've seen online, they decided to each buy a copy of Skyrim instead of ME3 so they wouldn't have to go through that ending.

I think they made the right decision. With the number of used copies of ME3 showing up on GameStop shelves, it'd be cheaper for them to make their decision in a month or two. See if BioWare really does come through for the fans before experiencing this.

Good to hear. There is really no rush to buy it anyway. If Bioware really thinks of it's work as "art" then they should make something that stands the test of time. That is still fun to play in a decade, like Baldur's Gate is still playable now. They made that once and it wasn't a mega hit at the time, but grew because of it's excellence and people telling their friends.
By comparison ME stopped being fun 10 minutes before the ending. "Now buy some DLC":huh: