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[Capone666]

Capone666 wrote...

Hey having a problem accessing the info. It just sends me to Operation Goliath thing....Help?

Anyone?

[Muezick]

I'm posting this because I think it's an interesting point.

Anonymous wrote...

They're getting really, really good at making non-statements now. That this exists is a very good thing, it's showing that BW is on edge now and they're desperately trying to contain the raging mobs. Don't let this fool you, though, it was cleverly written and worded so that it sounds like they're going to do something about it without actually promising anything. In other words, it's yet another PR trick. Hopefully people will be smart enough not to get fooled by this at this point. I'd post this in that BSN PR thread but I have no intention of buying ME3.

This anon has a good point. The whole point of this letter is to calm people who are raging down without actually giving the ragers what they want.

It's why i'm weary of it.

[Lucas-Shepard]

I might just be stupid, but I can't get the link to show a post from the doc.

[basbaker]

I'm grateful that Dr. Muzyka took the time to thoughtfully respond to the criticisms of the core fans. He should, in fact, be proud of the ME team and all they've accomplished. The games are brilliant. And as others have said, it makes the ending all the more jarring simply because it did not live up to the high expectations that people rightly had, based on every other part of the experience. I think it's fair to note that a lot of people aren't asking for a replacement ending, but rather an alternate ending - one that is more in line with those expectations.

I haven't given up on BioWare. And I haven't trashed my copy of ME3. I trust that it will all work out in the end.

[Julie the bogan]

This has done a lot to ease my mind that the Mass Effect franchise is not over.
Thank you Dr. Muzyka

[ArthurBDD]

This is a huge step in the right direction.

A (hopefully spoiler-free) suggestion: since maintaining the team's artistic integrity is important to Bioware, but at the same time they want to meet most of the criticisms made of it, I'd suggest the best way is to retain the current ending choice but add more choices.

Specifically, add a choice where Shepard can either accept the logic presented to him at the end of the game, or reject it; accepting it would lead to the choices as they currently stand, rejecting it would lead down a different path crafted by the player feedback received so far.

I think this would be a fairly elegant solution, not least because the decision to accept or reject the logic presented by the final NPC would neatly parallel the player's own decision to either see the ending the dev team had in mind or go for an ending based off the ideas of the community as a whole. Those satisfied with the current ending have their preference supported, many of those who are not currently satisfied would love to be able to say in-game "Nuh-uh, it is NOT going down like this!", and the work done on the current ending need not be wasted.

[AshenSugar]

I personally found this to be a completely reasonable and fair response, so no issues from me on the content of Ray's address, except to say thank you for taking the time to address community concerns, and thanks for throwing us a ray of hope in the form of 'future content' in April.

I guess most people will be clinging on to the hope of DLCs which provide some form of alternative to the current 'ultra-nihilism' ending. I personally pray for the 'Indoctrination theory' to be made into a reality, as do (or so the recent poll would suggest) many others besides.

Whether we actually get this, or any real alternative to the current ending remains to be seen. For myself, I prefer 'faint hope' to 'no hope'.

At the very least I would (at the very least) hope for the issues with the journal, face imports and single player war assets to be addressed.

[Capone666]

Lucas-Shepard wrote...

I might just be stupid, but I can't get the link to show a post from the doc.

WHERE IS IT!

[UntamedZer0]

I posted this on another thred about his statement and feel I should repost it here on their official thread for it:

After reading that, it reaffirms something I was thinking about this morning.

What ever happened to integrity?

Having the quads to take a step back and admit you screwed up.It is hard to defend an ending that stumbles all over it's self and, despite it's choices, is all around the same.

I understand the team is passionate about the game, but there has to come a time that you quit
hiding behind PR damage control and show a little bit of integrity, admit you were wrong, show some quads and move forward towards an ending that makes sense, rather than repeatedly trying to impose the view that
it is alright.

Moral of the story: When I screw up I man up. I don't run from the fact, hide behind PR damage control, or have others post my thoughts.

For the love of Pete show some quads.

Modifié par UntamedZer0, 21 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[MDT1]

I think Bioware still didn't get the message.
"Artistic integrity" is fine I don't mind it.
But if Bioware would just advertise the games they are going to make and not just repeat what they think we most likely want to hear, people wouldn't be that shocked when they finally play the game.

You cant advertise with closure and answeres and then argue your "artistic vision" was to leave room for questions and speculation.

[Semajk25]

How do I access it? Chris' link just takes me to the Bioware Blog and some multiplayer thing

[Semajk25]

The PLC wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

Hey having a problem accessing the info. It just sends me to Operation Goliath thing....Help?

Anyone?

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ 

Merci beaucoup

[Kandid001]

Direct link to Muzyka's entry: http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

So I guess all the indoctrination theories are kaput?

[morrie23]

Nice to get an idea when they will let us know how they are going to address our feedback. Still, if they just slap a new epilogue on the end, this will not fix the myriad of plot holes and contrivances in the current ending.

[Kronner]

**** yeah.

Way to go BioWare!

[Prism]

I believe it was a well thought, balanced response, but I am getting a bit frustrated seeing phrasings like "some of our loyal fans". Doctor Muzyka, with all due respect, that is "MOST of our loyal fans". I among them, state what I stated even in the heat of the moment, and state again what MOST of your loyal fans state: the game as a whole IS exceptional, but the ending is far from it.

Modifié par Prismvg, 21 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[LGTX]

Muezick wrote...

I'm posting this because I think it's an interesting point.

Anonymous wrote...

They're getting really, really good at making non-statements now. That this exists is a very good thing, it's showing that BW is on edge now and they're desperately trying to contain the raging mobs. Don't let this fool you, though, it was cleverly written and worded so that it sounds like they're going to do something about it without actually promising anything. In other words, it's yet another PR trick. Hopefully people will be smart enough not to get fooled by this at this point. I'd post this in that BSN PR thread but I have no intention of buying ME3.

This anon has a good point. The whole point of this letter is to calm people who are raging down without actually giving the ragers what they want.

It's why i'm weary of it.

Did you read the post? They ARE promising ACTUAL content, and more info in April. It's not PR talk, it's either the truth or not, and Bioware wouldn't start lying outright, especially now, would they? =) just wait for a bit.

[Theodoro]

Fingers crossed for ending DLC being announced in April...

[Capone666]

The PLC wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

Hey having a problem accessing the info. It just sends me to Operation Goliath thing....Help?

Anyone?

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ 

THANK YOU

[vexus vi]

Modifié par vexus vi, 21 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[kleindropper]

So what I read into this is: a) this was supposed to be "the" ending and an overwhelming po'ed response has prompted them to work on a new one.

Winning?

[diagorias]

bazzag wrote...

AlkaliV21 wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April."

Why are people still hating on Bioware? They made a few gaming mistakes but for the most part they knocked the Mass Effect series out of the park. I hope that this will make people ease up on all the anger brooding in these forums and on the web.

I don't think we're hating, per se, (i'm not). We just want the ending to reflect the rest of what is quite rightly a fantastic series. I have nothing but respect for the me team, they have done a great job, but the ending hasn't worked for whatever reason and needs to be addressed.

I don't think it'll ease up the pressure, but i think it'll make the fans happy knowing that their voice has reached the top, which means we must be doing something right

A lot of people are really hating and well though I wasn't really happy with the vague ending and I prefer DA:O over DA2, I think that hating BW for it is far too much.
I mean bringing the game back, for the ending only, although BW hasn't stated anything about, and already getting hissed up by the fact that an alternative ending COULD be a paid DLC is just, I dunno, kinda sad? And what about class action law suit, I mean really?

Some do bring it the right way (constructive and polite), and not everybody is hating of course, but those who do hate and only yell, curse and threaten, well even I get irritated by it, and I am not even working at BW or something like that. And those few who do bring it the wrong way aren't making the chance bigger BW will listen to their comments.

Back to the topic, I really think he is quite right, I would be wrong to just change the ending because people demand it. They created the story and something you make, for art, but also for the stories in games, you can't simply change. They could however, like some already proposed, explain the plotholes and create some sort of epilogue what happens to the rest of the Galactic Society.

[Semajk25]

Theodoro wrote...

Fingers crossed for ending DLC being announced in April...

I'd like to have the face fix first, so I can actually start the game, but yeah.

[ratzerman]

A big thanks to Ray for addressing us. Hopefully, Casey and his team can produce something meaningful, although my money is on a Genesis-style DLC epilogue. :-(

I have to say... I'm still astounded that so many brilliant people at Bioware watched the ending play out, and collectively thought "The fans are gonna love this!"