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[TheYanniDepper]

So Bioware decide to respond, and promise people additional content in order to offer closure and story details. Yet some people still have the audacity to complain. I'm really not surprised, it's normally pretty easy to spot who the serial nay-sayers are a mile off.

[Akozz]

And one more thing.

Dear BioWare, i hope somebody from your team will read this. You know why people are so angry and disappointed ? You think it's because they didn't like the ending ? No. Because off so many plot holes ? Nope. Lack of blue children, drinks, fireworks etc ? Nope. There are hundrets of games with poor endings, sad endings, no sense endings etc. and hardly anyone cares...
You know why it's different with Mass Effect ? Because people care. It's because You achieved something that is rearly seen in video games.
You have created world so unique, so believable, so alive. Characters that feel real. You make people believe that their choices matter. Some would argue about RPG/action proportion, some about game mechanic or difficulty level. But I think all will agree that they believed and they care. Hell, I bet 100$ that some players would marry their LI if they could.
You achieved something way beyond making good game. It's rarely seen in gaming industry. Don't waste it.

Modifié par Akozz, 22 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[venom56321489]

Just adding to ending will be a mistake. Bioware you can listen to us the fans or some reviewers who probably played the game for free. YOU DECIDE. IF ENDING NOT CHANGED YOU LOSE ALOT OF FANS, AND IF IM CORRECT YOU ALL HAVE ALOT OF STUFF COMING OUT LIKE ANIME MOVIE, AND LIVE ACTION MOVIE. SO WHO DO YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO? HOLD THE LINE PEOPLE

[venom56321489]

all this talk about art! Bioware you can stand by your art and become starving artists, or listen to your fans 95% of them and keep money coming in.

[Psythorn]

TheYanniDepper wrote...
So Bioware decide to respond, and promise people additional content in order to offer closure and story details. Yet some people still have the audacity to complain. I'm really not surprised, it's normally pretty easy to spot who the serial nay-sayers are a mile off.

Please do not insult our intelligence...

To quote the forbes article on Biowares response:
http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/

Looking at the content rather than the style, it certainly appears that a new ending may be in the works.

Please let me hint you on "may" and "appears" so even indipendent writers are not able to tell if this is a promise or just a sheer possiblity...

... promising ‘clarity’ is not the same thing as promising a
new batch of options and endings for players. The phrasing is as
inscrutable as one would expect from a PR maneuver like this. (Whether
the ending of the game was in fact just an elaborate set-up for a really great twist remains theoretical. And as Paul Tassi points out, may also underscore how the quest for profits is killing video games.)

So no - we are not promised what we are asking for... It still might happen or it might not...

As far as Muzyka’s apology goes: It’s better than nothing, but any
apology with a “but” at the end should be taken with a hefty spoonful of
sea salt. After all, when has “I’m sorry, honey, but…” ever worked?

And in addition this is a very good bottom line why I 'm not satisfied with this answer at all...

Modifié par Psythorn, 22 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[venom56321489]

AND COME ON THE ENDING CONTRADICTS THE ARRIVAL DLC, HOW DO YOU STAND BY AN ENDING THAT CONTRADICTS THE MAIN STORY. ADMIT THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE.

[venom56321489]

ALL THOSE RELAYS DESTROYED WELL THERE IS ONE NEXT TO CITADEL. SO STAR KID AND CATALYST WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED

[TheYanniDepper]

Modifié par TheYanniDepper, 22 mars 2012 - 12:46 .

[Aquilas]

"Support" ME3?  Ray asks players to "support" ME3: they should do their own research by playing the game, finishing it, and telling BioWare what they think.  Here's the thing: to do the research players have to buy the game. Buy the game?  Because--you asked us to?

Players are consumers, and they all have one thing in common: money. Consumers want value for money. Consumer Reports has over 7 million subscribers because consumers are looking for the best products available for money spent. Furthermore, research shows prospective buyers first look to family, friends, and co-workers for recommendations. Then buyers supplement those recommendations with their own research, and one source people weight heavily is product user reviews. Ray—and especially the revenue folks at EA—know this well.

So when Ray says buy the game and play it first, that means ignore constructive -negative- feedback by fellow players, friends, etc. when making your purchase decision. Ignore those reviews on Amazon and Metacritic that castigate the game and the developers for crafting a nonsensical, dishonest finale that breaks faith with ME fans and the trilogy itself (I mean the reasonable, well thought-out reviews, not juvenile tirades based purely on emotion). And ignore those journalists in the mainstream and gaming media who've taken BioWare to task for crafting what seems to be a rushed, boilerplate finale.

To be fair, Ray is saying ignore those 75 perfect scores too.  And true, players can borrow the game or buy it used.  But again, money is the bottom line here—literally. Consumers shouldn’t buy products blindly, yet that’s exactly what Ray is asking them to do: buy ME3 on blind faith. But broken faith is at the heart of the issue—and Ray knows it.

Modifié par Aquilas, 22 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[kouzrah]

I don't usually write here but I'm a big fan of Bioware games. I wanted to voice my opinion as one of the silent players.

ME3 was a AWESOME game. I finished it twice in less than a week and I was amazed at how Bioware really improved everything, and planted little easter eggs. It sure seems to me like a well polished game (which I can't say about DA2 for example).

When I came to the end of the game, I was kind of bummed that it was so short. But besides that, I'm one of the people that think it's ok as it is. I can't really deny that there are some plot holes. They didn't really bother me because of the mystical/mysterious side of the ending.

I have mixed feelings about this announcement of new ending content. I would certainly like to learn more about the consequences of my decisions and know what happens to my companions. However I fear that a closed ending would somehow lessen the awesomeness of the story. I'd rather keep plot holes than get a bad DLC that would spoil everything trying to please everyone.

And please don't implement the indoctrination theory. I don't want to offend those who like it but I really hate it.

[Psythorn]

TheYanniDepper wrote...
Yet you chose to insult mine by
underlining the definition of the word promise? Thank you for putting in
the time to paste me that link, although I have already read it seeing
as I'm commenting on the topic. Also, using another writer's opinion to
back yours? (which actually happens to be just his opinion, *sigh*

If
you're going to attack me with an opinion, please don't refer to
yourself as a collective by using the word 'us', it's just you I'm
afraid. good effort though

Well I'm not a native speaker so it's easier to quote someone that is. Is that anything wrong IF he is saying what I would have said? And there was no way for me to know if you read the FORBES article as this thread is about Mr. Muzyka's answer to the players and not about the Forbes article commenting that answer...

And please do not pretend you do not understand why I use the word "us" - it's because your post was adressing "people" and as I felt like beeing a part or on the same side as these "people" I was speaking of "us".

[Akozz]

jreezy wrote...

venom56321489 wrote...

AND COME ON THE ENDING CONTRADICTS THE ARRIVAL DLC

It's actually not easy to confirm that at this point. What happened wasn't a *ram an asteroid into a mass relay* type of destruction.

Doesn't really matter all that much. Turains and Quarians in solar system will starv to death anyway and Krogans will eat all who is left. Yeeee, we won, so who's for dinner now ? 

[TheYanniDepper]

Psythorn wrote...

TheYanniDepper wrote...
Yet you chose to insult mine by
underlining the definition of the word promise? Thank you for putting in
the time to paste me that link, although I have already read it seeing
as I'm commenting on the topic. Also, using another writer's opinion to
back yours? (which actually happens to be just his opinion, *sigh*

If
you're going to attack me with an opinion, please don't refer to
yourself as a collective by using the word 'us', it's just you I'm
afraid. good effort though

Well I'm not a native speaker so it's easier to quote someone that is. Is that anything wrong IF he is saying what I would have said? And there was no way for me to know if you read the FORBES article as this thread is about Mr. Muzyka's answer to the players and not about the Forbes article commenting that answer...

And please do not pretend you do not understand why I use the word "us" - it's because your post was adressing "people" and as I felt like beeing a part or on the same side as these "people" I was speaking of "us".

Valid point, although I have done my research before I decided to post on this topic. So it was unfair of me to state that.

I understand what you are saying, but you label yourself as not being a native speaker, but then state that you're speaking for the collective or 'us'?

Bioware have stated that they were going to look into the issue, and hopeful produce an acceptable outcome. Which is a hell of a load more than most other developers would do. Stop whining.

[Akozz]

kouzrah wrote...
When I came to the end of the game, I was kind of bummed that it was so short. But besides that, I'm one of the people that think it's ok as it is. I can't really deny that there are some plot holes. They didn't really bother me because of the mystical/mysterious side of the ending.

You are right sir, that is true mystery how destroyng all organics with syntethics reapers is going to save us from being destroy by synthetics.... wait, what ?

And the fact that pretty much whole galaxy is scr...ed because of lack of mass relays ( or exploding MR destroying whole systems),  and all huge victory fleet is going to die because of starvation didn't really bother me because of all that mystery

Not to mention all outcomes of all my choices during my 150h playthrough are clearly visible...

And about hundrets other "small" things.

Im sorry dude, no offence. But only mystery in ME ending is how did they menaged to came up with all that ideas and contradict in 10 minutes all that have been established in past games.

Modifié par Akozz, 22 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Psythorn]

TheYanniDepper wrote...
Valid point, although I have done my research before I decided to post on this topic. So it was unfair of me to state that.
I understand what you are saying, but you label yourself as not being a native speaker, but then state that you're speaking for the collective or 'us'?
Bioware have stated that they were going to look into the issue, and hopeful produce an acceptable outcome. Which is a hell of a load more than most other developers would do. Stop whining.

As this is getting more and more off topic this will be my final reply - however I will read your answer.

Why does the fact that I'm no native speaker make it impossible that I'm considering myself as a part of the people that do not like the ending and that felt that the answers bioware gave us are insufficient and somewhat deflecting ?

And again - the phrase whining is insulting - isn't it.. It's the kind of language you can use if talking to a kid that keeps asking for cookies. So if you are a native speaker I've to - again - assume that you want to insult me.

Modifié par Psythorn, 22 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[Getorex]

Akozz wrote...

jreezy wrote...

venom56321489 wrote...

AND COME ON THE ENDING CONTRADICTS THE ARRIVAL DLC

It's actually not easy to confirm that at this point. What happened wasn't a *ram an asteroid into a mass relay* type of destruction.

Doesn't really matter all that much. Turains and Quarians in solar system will starv to death anyway and Krogans will eat all who is left. Yeeee, we won, so who's for dinner now ? 

NO WORRIES.  See, they are going to "expand" on the ending and show that for some reason the ENTIRE combined fleet all fled the earth system before the Relays blew.  Including the Normandy.  Why?  Just because they did, damnit.  That's enough.  They will show the combined organic fleet go from the strongest it could ever EVER be to the weakest it can be just as it was at the beginning of game with every world set to fend for itself.  THAT is hopey isn't it?  The Normandy...they crashed on a lovely planet that makes them so horny that they just cannot help themselves from making babies.  Of course, in a few short generations EVERYONE on that planet will be brother and sister but still, the horniness factor of the planet will keep them humping away to make inbred freak babies.  THAT'S HOPEY.  

They cannot do anything about the self-contradictory "logic" of the starchild who creates synthetics to kill advanced oganics to save them the pain of being killed by their OWN synthetics.  They also cannot do anything about the "logic" of the starchild stating that synthetics will ALWAYS turn on their creators...you know, the way the Quarians turned on their synthetics...oh, wait...or how the Geth and Quarians (and every other organic) can come to a totally peaceful and happy peace with the Geth ALSO virtually "alive" to boot...or how EDI is clearly on the verge of turning on and killing her creators...oh, wait, no she isn't.  In fact, she's HUMPING an organic.  

Maybe the starchild, being a child, thinks that humping is "bad" and needs to be stopped.  THAT'S it.  That fixes the whole thing!

[hallfing]

jreezy wrote...

hallfing wrote...

*Spoilers Below*

I WANT TO KNOW ZIS >>> GARRUS AND JAVIK who were with me at final mission... how they got onto the Normandy? I didn't see it come in and pick up my squadmates... HOW CAN YOU EVEN EXPLAIN THAT SUPER AWESOME PLOTEHOLE?

what is the CATALYST where did it come from? who made it? was it alive once? did it create the reapers? why do the reapers obey the catalyst? how did the three choices already have a terminal for each choice if the crucible was made in this cycle? couldn't the catalyst give us at least some kind of back story and examples of the so called "inevitable death of organics by synthetics..." why didn't we learn about the catalyst? WHAT THE HECK WAS HARBINGER DOING TILL THE LAST 5 MINUTES OF THE GAME?

AREN'T REAPERS SYNTHETICS? WHY DID SOVEREIGN HAVE ANOTHER NAME? WHY DID ILLUSIVE MAN SHOW UP THE CITADEL ALL DAMAGED, HOW DID HE EVEN SHOW UP THERE,

WHY WAS NORMANDY THE ONLY SHIP RUNNING AWAY FROM THE BLAST? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER SHIPS? AND WHY WAS THE NORMANDY RUNNING AWAY SO FAST ANYWAY (TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IT HAD THE TIME TO COME PICK OUR SQUADMATES FROM EARTH AND THEN GET OUT WITH ALL THOSE REAPERS JUST SITTING THERE)


holes after holes that cannot be explained by "la di daaa "bittersweet" ending"

^Mac Walters has already said things concerning the secrets of the universe don't really need to be known by the player.

I will take answers over the "assumptions" of one person who thinks it is in others' best intrests to not know what we want to know or not know for ourselves and instead accept plotholes the size of galactic SMBHs

[desirearune]

I don't get it what new ending... the announcement sounded like they will explain the ending or something like that and help with the closure .... nothing was said about alternative endings being worked on.....

[JimReaperROK]

 Thing is, its not just the clarity. I also don't think the endings were epic enough to be fit to end shepards story. I want to visually see the war assets I collected taking part. Elcor living tanks and Krogan charging, Asari sniper team taking a vantage point and shooting. Etc. it should of all been a lot more epic. Clarity And more epicness is needed

[Getorex]

jreezy wrote...

venom56321489 wrote...

AND COME ON THE ENDING CONTRADICTS THE ARRIVAL DLC

It's actually not easy to confirm that at this point. What happened wasn't a *ram an asteroid into a mass relay* type of destruction.

Yes, because one explosion is different from another. 

But that is the LEAST contradictory aspect of the ending.  The Geth and Quarians...let's see...starchild says synthetics will ALWAYS turn on their creators so he created the synthetic Reapers in order to kill advanced organics before their own synthetics can kill them because it is better to be wiped out by starchild synthetics than your own synthetics.  That's just patently obvious right?  RIGHT?  And of course the little tyke's logic is further upheld with the Geth and Quarians at total happy peace.  See how turny on creators that is?  Or the FACT that the Quarians, the creators of Geth synthetics, turned on THEM, NOT the other way around in the first place!  Or look at EDI and how she is just itching to turn on her creators.  She's so keen to destroy her creators that she is trying to be as much like them as she can!  The INFAMY.  The EVIL of that.  

Yes...let's just ignore the blowing up of relays because if you do that the current ending just makes so much damn sense.

[loungeshep]

kouzrah wrote...

And please don't implement the indoctrination theory. I don't want to offend those who like it but I really hate it.

Yes. Agreed on this. Please don't ever implement this as it negates the whole thing and is just a stupid cop out.