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[flexxdk]

I'm wondering what they're planning.

Modifié par Whacka, 21 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Capone666]

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. "

Interesting

[EvilTaxi]

UntamedZer0 wrote...

I posted this on another thred about his statement and feel I should repost it here on their official thread for it:

After reading that, it reaffirms something I was thinking about this morning.

What ever happened to integrity?

Having the quads to take a step back and admit you screwed up.It is hard to defend an ending that stumbles all over it's self and, despite it's choices, is all around the same.

I understand the team is passionate about the game, but there has to come a time that you quit
hiding behind PR damage control and show a little bit of integrity, admit you were wrong, show some quads and move forward towards an ending that makes sense, rather than repeatedly trying to impose the view that
it is alright.

Moral of the story: When I screw up I man up. I don't run from the fact, hide behind PR damage control, or have others post my thoughts.

For the love of Pete show some quads.

Short answer: Because this is America.

Long answer: Apologizing assumes acceptance of liability. Acceptance of liability makes it very easy to be the target of frivolous lawsuits.

[Haasth]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

A message from the founder of BioWare saying that they're listening and gathering feedback from the people who they KNOW are upset, and asking for constructive criticism so they can use it to build on...


And he still gets ripped for it.

Holy hell, people.

Always question your peers. Don't blindly follow what they have to say. This was as class-book PR as it gets. 
He overall missed the point, then proceeds in saying he respects their fans and hints at agreeing with them before proclaiming their game is a great work of art and how many reviewers thought it was so freakin' awesome. 

It's a PR article at it's best; that is to say it says absolutely nothing and is there to win over easily persuaded people. 

At the least it said there's SOMETHING waiting for us at April. But I'm far from sold and I do hope no one is expecting a miracle and suddenly is all fine with their previous business morals.  Frankly, they deserve to be ripped for it. They have a lot to make up for and I would hope no one suddenly thinks it's all good and happy just because of one post made by one of the co-founders. 

Modifié par Haasth, 21 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[BuckDizzle23]

It's going to take a LOT more than a vague, non-committal statement to restore trust at this point.

[Theodoro]

Semajk25 wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Fingers crossed for ending DLC being announced in April...

I'd like to have the face fix first, so I can actually start the game, but yeah.

That too. I tried to start the game with my customized female Shepard, but to no avail. Guess I'm lucky that I usually play with default male Shepard.

[Ronin1325]

I have to process this. I'm still in shock that this was the ending that they intended.

[lokiarchetype]

Can we get a straight answer if this means that the existing endings will be elaborated upon, but that Bioware's final answer is that they will not be change the existing endings nor will they add new endings.

[UntamedZer0]

EvilTaxi wrote...

Short answer: Because this is America.

Long answer: Apologizing assumes acceptance of liability. Acceptance of liability makes it very easy to be the target of frivolous lawsuits.

Thats all part of having the quads to man up and accept responsibility. I seriously doubt there are going to be frivilous lawsuits over the ending, however this is America, the 27th dumbest nation on Earth.

[Kandid001]

ratzerman wrote...

I have to say... I'm still astounded that so many brilliant people at Bioware watched the ending play out, and collectively thought "The fans are gonna love this!"

What's more astounding is that some people liked it. And I'm not talking about the "professionals", it's their business to like it, but the fans...

[eatmyfear]

Personally I feel Bioware and Ray are looking in the wrong place here. My major problem with the ending was not I didn't have 'closure'. It was because none of the endgame choices presented to me were choices I wanted to take.

*Avoiding spoilers* - I stood at the end, completely detached and uncaring which choice to take, because what I wanted to do - and what Shepard has done up until then - was to tell the [spoiler] to go to hell and take my own chances. There's the disconnect between the ending and the rest of the series. Up until then, I felt I was in control.

Unfortunately, unless the new content Ray talks about adds in a new option to the end sequence, no amount of additional content will address my issues with the game.

Modifié par eatmyfear, 21 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Pfff... nothing has changed. As I understand it, he's even proud of the endings... the lack of closure... the massive plot holes... the introduction of a new character in the last 10 minutes which is totally out of place and most importantly, the destruction of the whole franchise all for the sake of 'artistic value'. Way to go Dr. Muzyka...

Modifié par Shin-Anubis, 21 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[ringdrossel]

ArthurBDD wrote...

This is a huge step in the right direction.

A (hopefully spoiler-free) suggestion: since maintaining the team's artistic integrity is important to Bioware, but at the same time they want to meet most of the criticisms made of it, I'd suggest the best way is to retain the current ending choice but add more choices.

Specifically, add a choice where Shepard can either accept the logic presented to him at the end of the game, or reject it; accepting it would lead to the choices as they currently stand, rejecting it would lead down a different path crafted by the player feedback received so far.

I think this would be a fairly elegant solution, not least because the decision to accept or reject the logic presented by the final NPC would neatly parallel the player's own decision to either see the ending the dev team had in mind or go for an ending based off the ideas of the community as a whole. Those satisfied with the current ending have their preference supported, many of those who are not currently satisfied would love to be able to say in-game "Nuh-uh, it is NOT going down like this!", and the work done on the current ending need not be wasted.

This would actually be a really good idea how to solve this dilemma. Win-Win for both sides:wizard:

[Vlad1113]

Dr Ray Muzyka

The game in simple terms is brilliant all the way right through to the ending, its the ending which is just not viable.

Your team have every right to be righfully proud, and I think most of us can understand them being rightfully defensive.

The news that they are working on something to bring some closure is good, we await news with trepidation.

But, I think I can safely say we will still be here on the forums and in the social networks pushing but perhaps less agressively all the way until we get that closure.

We are a pretty enlightened and diverse community we dont just like what you produce WE FRIKKIN WELL LOVE IT! but we got bitten and we are bit unhappy and frustrated.

Keep us informed, BTW you need to promote Jessica Merizan

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but that letter would be more credibly from Ray if he used Canadian spelling.

[Haasth]

BuckDizzle23 wrote...

It's going to take a LOT more than a vague, non-committal statement to restore trust at this point.

Sadly not everyone would agree with that. Just to prove my point in how effective something simple and vague like this is in persuading certain people;

 "BioWare, shut up and take my money!
It is great to hear from Ray Muzyka. More Mass Effect on the way. Yay!"

Mission success BioWare. 

Modifié par Haasth, 21 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[EvilTaxi]

UntamedZer0 wrote...

Thats all part of having the quads to man up and accept responsibility. I seriously doubt there are going to be frivilous lawsuits over the ending, however this is America, the 27th dumbest nation on Earth.

If someone was willing to file an FTC report, I'd bet a month's salary that someone can find a willing ambulance chaser to file a lawsuit.

You're right though. This is America, the land of hot coffee lawsuits and other such gems like this: http://www.democrata...dyssey=nav|head 

[alandavidson]

What about any one who has a xbox but isn't on xbox live, they can't get dlc, their stuck with the ending the way it is. The ending just feels wrong, rushed and out of context and unbioware.IAfter finishing mass effect 1 and 2 I went straight back in and played them again but don't feel like that with 3 mainly because of the ending. It doesn't give me any feeling that I achieved anything in the previous games because my choice is what colour my ending is, thats all.

[Vaktathi]

Good to hear from Dr. Muzyka, and the response is appreciated, but at the same time this is still *very* deflective (please don't quote us industry review scores, too many of us do not have faith in such sources to accurately rate games, especially with employees of said organizations appearing in your game) and doesn't really acknowledge any of the points that people have an issue with beyond that fact that people *are* having issues with it.

It's not just about closure, it's about an ending that doesn't make sense, doesn't fit what was advertised, and massively violates the reader-writer contract, in addition to being almost completely identical whether you play the bare minimum 10 hours of ME3 to beat or 120+ hours of all 3 games+DLC content. Trying to "explain" or "clarify" or "answer" questions about the ending is...questionable. The ending has too many major plotholes and inconsistencies to be explained/clarified away.

It feels like an ending written by an entirely different team for an entirely different game and forced in at the last minute over what was otherwise excellent content.

Please, drop the artistic integrity argument. Yes, games are art. No, art is not immutable, and yes, it can be done wrong. An ending where the lead fan view on it is that the main character has fallen to mind control by their opponents in order to *not* take the actual ending at face value, is an ending done wrong.

If the founder of the game studio has to come out and try to defend it to the fans, something was done incorrectly.

Yes, the vast majority of this game is excellent. Unfortunately the ending is so disappointing that yes, it does cast a shadow large enough to dampen the greatness of the game, and indeed the entire trilogy, as a whole.

Finally, it's very difficult to take at face value the fact that this is completely unprecedented. This uproar began before the game was even released. We have people posting every day how they reach the ending and are immediately disheartened by it, usually shocked and confused, even after disbelieving stories they hear from others and discounting them before reaching the ending themselves. That *NONE* of this was picked up on during your internal review and testing is very difficult to take seriously, as it's a pretty immediate reaction from a large portion of the playerbase. I'm sure you had internal feedback telling you there were problems with this ending.

It's ok to admit a mistake was made, really, it is. Just fix it is all.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 21 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[MascotRay]

The ending was and is perfect. I am severely disappointed in this community that I had come to love over the past several years. Not because they have their own opinions, but because of the immense amount of hatred and anger spewed toward people who created a universe that, in my opinion, is the creation of science fiction, frankly, ever.

[Super.Sid]

Haasth wrote...

BuckDizzle23 wrote...

It's going to take a LOT more than a vague, non-committal statement to restore trust at this point.

Sadly not everyone would agree with that. Just to prove my point in how effective something simple and vage like this is in persuading certain people;

 "BioWare, shut up and take my money!
It is great to hear from Ray Muzyka. More Mass Effect on the way. Yay!"

Mission success BioWare. 

It means that they are sticking with their endings and expanding it to provide more closure. Indoctrination theory is ruled out. A sad end is still on the cards.

[K_Tabris]

ratzerman wrote...

A big thanks to Ray for addressing us. Hopefully, Casey and his team can produce something meaningful, although my money is on a Genesis-style DLC epilogue. :-(

I have to say... I'm still astounded that so many brilliant people at Bioware watched the ending play out, and collectively thought "The fans are gonna love this!"

I've started playing Deus Ex, and I can see some minor influences in ME3.  Deus Ex is an awesome game (even if the combat sucks).


This is great that Dr. Ray is addressign the situation.  Despite the ending, this was one of the most fun game sI've ever had.  My Shepard deserved a beter ending, but ultimately, Shepard' story (except for the last 15 minutes), was fairly awesome.

[admcmei]

What I'm afraid is that they might end up "addressing" the protests in meaningless ways like for example someone mid-game casually explaining to you how if a mass relay explodes a certain way ot doesn't destroy a whole system. Thet's the kind of thing I'm afraid of. For me, the only way to fix it is give more options at the end, give us the option to argue with the kid and just destroy the reapers. I just want the most important part of the saga to play like the rest of it, it doesn't sound to me like an incredible request born of entitlement.