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[dsl08002]

The thing that gets me worried is that they will keep the original ending and will only add some epilouge text or something like that to bring closure and I definantly don´t want that.

[Akozz]

Also another reason why there need to bee new or at least aditional ending is fact that all your choices does not matter. If You were good, or bad, all your decisions etc. What is the point of importing saves from ME1 and ME2 if your saga ends in the same way anyway ?

[GuyIncognito21]

As someone who hasn't yet played ME3, and has avoided this thread to avoid spoilers, can someone just tell me whether I need to be concerned that the ME3 I play won't be the one the creators envisioned?

That is, they're not going to change the ending without my permission right? When I do get around to playing, I want to play the game they created, not the one the fans demanded.

[Jreavyr]

I am one of the not vocal fans. I do not typically write posts saying how much I think x or y is horrible, a game breaker, needs to be changed, etc. I love the ME universe, the characters I've created, the NPC's I've come to know and appreciate, and the story that I was taking part in.

I was out of the country and unable to purchase the game at launch, but was eagerly looking forward to picking up my copy when I returned. Then I had friends tell me how horrible the ending was and that I shouldn't waste my money. I broke my cardinal rule and watched the various videos about the ending, the indoctrination theory, and then this PR letter from BioWare.

I have to say I do not think I will be purchasing this game. I might not ever purchase another BioWare game (I have them all - TOR included) as this was the nail in the coffin for me. DA2, TOR, and now this ridiculous excuse for an epic ending to a game I have loved and enjoyed has soured me.

Whatever the reason for this 'ending' - out of time and rushed, shilling for DLC content, or they actually thought it was an awesome 'artistic' ending - I cannot stand idly by and simply not say anything.

You have ruined for me a beloved game. Now it's about owning up to your mistakes and proving you will stick to your word and give gamers what you promised. Anything less than that will simply prove you are a company not to be trusted, which is a shame. I always touted BioWare as one of the few developers that regularly turned out great games, in depth stories, and listened to it players. You are 0 for 3 with your last offerings as far as I'm concerned, and it appears you have lost your edge. Do not under estimate your fan base. For every 75k supremely unhappy and vocal players, there are many times that who will simply just walk away from you as a company.

I am one of the latter, but felt I at least owed you an explanation as to why I will go that way out of respect for your works.

Sincerely,

Jason

[Akozz]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

As someone who hasn't yet played ME3, and has avoided this thread to avoid spoilers, can someone just tell me whether I need to be concerned that the ME3 I play won't be the one the creators envisioned?

That is, they're not going to change the ending without my permission right? When I do get around to playing, I want to play the game they created, not the one the fans demanded.

Trust me, You don't.

Just enjoy 95% of the game. It is amazing. Then turn it off. And wait....

[brgillespie]

So many tears.

It's just a game.

Life goes on.

[Getorex]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

As someone who hasn't yet played ME3, and has avoided this thread to avoid spoilers, can someone just tell me whether I need to be concerned that the ME3 I play won't be the one the creators envisioned?

That is, they're not going to change the ending without my permission right? When I do get around to playing, I want to play the game they created, not the one the fans demanded.

So, you don't even want to play the game they PROMISED and ADVERTISED for years and years?  You want the one with the CLEARLY poorly thought out ending, that is self-contradictory (it is and there is no one who can or does argue otherwise)?  

Knock yourself out.  They are likely (if they clean up their dog**** pile) to release a DLC that you are not required to download.  You are free to enjoy illogic and self-contradiction all you desire.

[Star fury]

Dr. Muzyka' statement is greatly disappointing. So it's only "some fans" are not happy with endings.
Say directly - only a small vocal minority is unhappy with the ending and game overall. Meanwhile polls on the Bioware's official forums show that 97% dislikes endings. Calling ME3 best game of Bioware... What about Baldur's Gate 2, Dragon Age:Origins?

Modifié par Star fury, 22 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[WaffleCrab]

I must say, Dr. Ray made it obvious to me, that they dont want me and others to spend anymore money on their company. thank you for clarifying that. Since if you leave plotholes like that in a game and when the game already has a rush job feel to it all the time you play it, its obvious he cares only about the paid reviews and not how the gamers take the game.
But the icing on the cake, is how he used the "destructive criticism" It is a different thing when you lie to someone to calm them down for the truth to be told later, but he just plurted out a blatant lie in the face of the fans for no good reason.

[Getorex]

The ending as is is "art" the same way an Escher painting makes sense. If you believe that Escher paintings are actually depicting something even remotely realistic and logical, then the ending is fine.

Escher paintings (art) are fine for what they are but they are not intended to be taken seriously, explain anything, provide "closure", and so forth. I must have missed the advertising campaign where Bioware stated their epic game would end like a cross between an Escher and a Van Gogh.

[ile_1979]

Abraxarr wrote...

There is a reason why the three endings are similar. Bioware already stated that it's likely more games will follow in the same universe, but with a new lead. This means this story needs a converging ending. They need to set the stage for the next game(s) so to speak. They cannot make the next game in a universe that can be completely different depending on the outcome of ME3, so in all three endings the same certain set of events had to happen.

The only thing really converging here is the "you know what" blowing up in the end. All the other variations do not really allow for a continuation in the story. Especilly the the green and the blue options. I just can't see how could they continue the franchise with those two in coexistence. And if they planned to just pick one option via a novel or commic and proclaim it canon, then they could still do that even with 9 different diverging endings....and i mean really diverging as with different gameplay manifetations....

[Bcoolpro]

I agree with cjzeddy that the game is amazing as it is... The Mass Effect trilogy, ME3 especially, is a great piece of subversive fiction. It takes players expectations and then skillfully topples them. Though not used much in the gaming world this method of story telling isn't new. M. Night Shyamalan made his career with films that ended in such a way that it compelled the audience to view the whole film in a new light. I believe the ending of Mass Effect 3 to be similar. The difference lies in the time invested and the inclusion of how the we (the audience) participated by making choices. Personally I did not feel cheated by the ending... large parts of the game were greatly impacted by my choices especially present in the assault on earth. Beyond that there are differences in the ending though they are greatly nuanced... like a film that boasts an alternate ending which is different by a mere line or two of dialogue. Lastly two things have stuck out to me... one reason I didn't feel let down so much is because I didn't take what was essentially advertising hype as "promises" from the dev team about the games content. We've all heard lots of overtures about games that came to nought in the past. (Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, KOTOR 2 and Fable just to name a few.) We were all told this was the end of Shepard's story but that the ME universe would continue. Given that I see the ME3 ending as more of a new beginning more then an ending. I just hope as the team works on these additional DLCs that they draw on what ever future fiction they are working on instead of compromising their artistic vision. A vision which is worthy of standing whether it is well liked or not.

[Abraxarr]

ile_1979 wrote...

Abraxarr wrote...

There is a reason why the three endings are similar. Bioware already stated that it's likely more games will follow in the same universe, but with a new lead. This means this story needs a converging ending. They need to set the stage for the next game(s) so to speak. They cannot make the next game in a universe that can be completely different depending on the outcome of ME3, so in all three endings the same certain set of events had to happen.

The only thing really converging here is the "you know what" blowing up in the end. All the other variations do not really allow for a continuation in the story. Especilly the the green and the blue options. I just can't see how could they continue the franchise with those two in coexistence. And if they planned to just pick one option via a novel or commic and proclaim it canon, then they could still do that even with 9 different diverging endings....and i mean really diverging as with different gameplay manifetations....

Blue and Red can both be used to create a similar universe with some lame as story attached to it. I agree that green just won't fit with the other two though, no matter how much space magic you throw at it.

[Petrikles]

German new magazine:

http://www.spiegel.d...,822948,00.html

Basically, they say, it was more like advertising DLC, and not really taking into account fan criticism.

[Akozz]

[ile_1979]

Bcoolpro wrote...

 M. Night Shyamalan made his career with films that ended in such a way that it compelled the audience to view the whole film in a new light. I believe the ending of Mass Effect 3 to be similar.  

I think i understand what you say. It still does not make me want to buy the game and play through it though:crying:

Bcoolpro wrote...

  large parts of the game were greatly impacted by my choices especially present in the assault on earth.

Wait, what? The assault on Earth? You mean the part that is the most tunnel like while you still get controll over your squad? How did any choices mattered there?

[Derengard]

Getorex wrote...

The ending as is is "art" the same way an Escher painting makes sense. If you believe that Escher paintings are actually depicting something even remotely realistic and logical, then the ending is fine.

Escher paintings (art) are fine for what they are but they are not intended to be taken seriously, explain anything, provide "closure", and so forth. I must have missed the advertising campaign where Bioware stated their epic game would end like a cross between an Escher and a Van Gogh.

Sorry, that's nonsense. Here you are basically acknowledging Bioware's statement, and elevating them to the status of great art. Art doesn't need to make sense, but it obviously needs to have meaning and coherence.

An explanation is by definition supposed to be logical, and not making it logical doesn't give it any meaning, but just makes it a bad explanation. There's no excuse for writing a bad backstory, just because it "will do", and it's not the point but the random "emotions". Art has to own up to technical mistakes, and this is a glaring one. The only meaning would be that it's supposed to be a bad explanation, but that doesn't work here, as a being of high intelligence is still supposed to come up with an explanation that makes sense within the setting, even if it's evil and wrong. There has to be a cause and reason to believe that the solution would appear valid for any form of intelligence. None of these conditions is met.

Modifié par Derengard, 22 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[ile_1979]

Abraxarr wrote...

ile_1979 wrote...

Abraxarr wrote...

There is a reason why the three endings are similar. Bioware already stated that it's likely more games will follow in the same universe, but with a new lead. This means this story needs a converging ending. They need to set the stage for the next game(s) so to speak. They cannot make the next game in a universe that can be completely different depending on the outcome of ME3, so in all three endings the same certain set of events had to happen.

The only thing really converging here is the "you know what" blowing up in the end. All the other variations do not really allow for a continuation in the story. Especilly the the green and the blue options. I just can't see how could they continue the franchise with those two in coexistence. And if they planned to just pick one option via a novel or commic and proclaim it canon, then they could still do that even with 9 different diverging endings....and i mean really diverging as with different gameplay manifetations....

Blue and Red can both be used to create a similar universe with some lame as story attached to it. I agree that green just won't fit with the other two though, no matter how much space magic you throw at it.

Well true, but.....i have a hard time imagining it. Especially the AIs 

[Tryphus]

Akozz wrote...

Also another reason why there need to bee new or at least aditional ending is fact that all your choices does not matter. If You were good, or bad, all your decisions etc. What is the point of importing saves from ME1 and ME2 if your saga ends in the same way anyway ?

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

WHY is it that everyone thinks the ending has to show you what you've ALREADY seen?? My story is not the same if I'm bad or good, and all of those decisions I made are THERE. I experienced them THROUGHOUT the game. We don't need to be reminded again and again. Even the little things are there, they factor into your War Assets and even have descriptions explaining their origin and outcome.

As for what happens after your final choice, THAT'S a little disappointing, but ONLY if you know all of the other endings. In my first playthrough without being tainted by this movement, I loved it, I chose synthesis and I thought it was great. Then you see the others and feel a little confused about what the difference really is. Then again, it still makes sense they all end similarly, because it was said the relays would be destroyed no matter what and blah blah, however, more insight into the origin of the Reapers, Citadel, Catalyst, etc, would've been the best thing to add before going through that.

But as far as other choices not meaning anything?? I have to completely disagree, I felt, saw, and played all of my choices, and they meant plenty. Seeing EXACTLY why they meant something is what was oft missing, it was only after learning why through the strategy guide that I gained a greater appreciation for what was done in-game.

[Saeros]

Dr. Muzyka,
there is enough sadness in the real world .. I do not want to feel sad and empty when I play a video game .. ending, left me profoundly sad .. and many questions remain unanswered .. only this.

[Bcoolpro]

ile_1979 wrote...

Bcoolpro wrote...

 M. Night Shyamalan made his career with films that ended in such a way that it compelled the audience to view the whole film in a new light. I believe the ending of Mass Effect 3 to be similar.  

I think i understand what you say. It still does not make me want to buy the game and play through it though:crying:

Fare enough... there are certainly problems that arise from subversive fiction and it is hard to do well...  For instance I hated the way the Matrix trilogy ended feeling that they took all the promise of the first film and destroyed it with the second two.  While there are is some things that are needed for success or failure from a technique standpoint it is open to critical interpretation by the fans.

ile_1979 wrote...

Bcoolpro wrote...

  large parts of the game were greatly impacted by my choices especially present in the assault on earth.

Wait, what? The assault on Earth? You mean the part that is the most tunnel like while you still get controll over your squad? How did any choices mattered there?

The assault on Earth varied depending on who was with you at the end and your military
might that was affected slightly by choices made throughout.  Again perhaps the differences were more
nuanced then what was expected… but I personally enjoyed having a moment with
each friend, teammate and lover that had come to the end with me

Modifié par Bcoolpro, 22 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[Aradace]

Great the ending issue is being addressed. However (comma) I'll state once again that unless the way they "deal" with it is free, I want no part in it. I've said on several occasions and will continue to state it until the point is beaten bloody and mis-shapen; I will not PAY for an ending that should have been included with the original release of the game. This includes, but not limited to, any kind of explaining plot-holes, and/or epilogues etc explaining what happened to the crew after the mission. Again, it should have been included with the original release of the game and therefore I refuse to be gouged out of more money due to the team's inability to deliver an adequate ending.

[Stigweird85]

L00p wrote...

Haha, brilliant

[Drussius]

It may be worth pointing out that Bcoolpro's account was created yesterday. I've seen quite a few accounts posting pro-ending arguments that were created within a day or two of their post... Perhaps Bioware or EA is inserting its own fictional "pro-ending fans" to lessen the nearly 100% dissatisfaction with the ending? Just saying...