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[Stigweird85]

@Getorex It's understandable, trust is a personal thing.

It's not blind trust I have, I see the flaws, I see the plot holes and I agree with the argument. I won't demand a fix for them though nor will I let it ruin the experience as whole(although good metaphor)

[Getorex]

XqctaX wrote...

i belive in action, not words. becouse, as someone who have been around a few years and lived a little i Know the little meeing of words without actions backing them up..

if they have a real project towards the ending. release details about how and when we get it, without spoilers ofc. so far all i see is a attempt at hushing the unhappy people up so sales wont be affected negatively..

On that last point, sales, I cannot imagine that the horses aren't already out of the barn.  With the vast majority of Amazon.com player reviews being negative (all because of the ending...good reviews too, not rants) there MUST be a hit to sales. 

Every site that allows user reviews has most of them ragging on the ending and totally contradicting the glowing (fellatio) reviews from the "professionals".  A good thing out of this is how it is calling out the "professionals" for the hacks that they are.  Don't trust ANY reviews until you read real user reviews.  People who play EVERY frickin' game shoved in front of them for a LIVING so they can talk it up cannot be trusted.  They have NO personal interest or investment in ANY of the multitudes of games that cross their desk.   They are as happy with a Super Mario Brothers empty game as they are with a deep and thoughtful game.  All the same to them.

[Ael]

It's just really sad that the entire game, which I personally liked and thought was excellent,is ruined by the last ten minutes. Truly one of the worst endings for the best sci-fc series done to date.

Had planned on playing the entire series through again, but after finishing ME3 what the hells the use

[Bcoolpro]

TSC_1 wrote...

I'm terrified that we're just going to get "explanation" content rather than new endings. That's not enough for me (or for a very large number of Bioware's customers).

According
to a EA press release on march 12th " ME3 sold
890,000 copies during the first 24 hours it was on sale in North America."
 The poll you site doesn't represent "a large number" just yet...
neither does the petition... given the number of games already sold worldwide it's still a little early to be talking about large numbers
at least statically speaking.

Modifié par Bcoolpro, 22 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[Mikk016]

So this ending was the plan from the beginning? *scratches head*
And Shepard and Liara won't have any blue babies? And if they do, it will be because the fans pushed you to give us an ending where they do. I really hoped you guys [BioWare] had a few aces up your sleeves.
I won't even get From Ashes now, it will be all in vain anyway.

[Derengard]

Getorex wrote...

@Derengard: I am NOT placing Bioware into the 'artistes' arena at all. I am mocking the idea that the ending is "art". It is not. That is something a pretentious developer would call it to defend what is indefensible.
 

I believe you, but your argument didn't bring that across (for once).

The ending is self-contradictory and patently and irredeemably illogical. The ending not only manages to contradict the coda of the entire ME universe, contradict ME1 and ME2, it manages to contradict the very same game you are currently playing at the end of ME3! THAT is impressive (that's sarcasm).

You made the point that certain artists aren't logical or consistent either (on which lines it would be possible to defend Bioware although that would be superficial besides being not very insightful about art). There doesn't seem to be anything sarcastic about that statement, nothing to suggest that you think that may not be true. Your use of the affected term "artistes"  seems to imply that opinion about artists even now: they are by definition illogical and "pretentious", but that's not what you "want" about that game.

I agree with everything else you said, but your arguments about the "art"-line of defense didn't make a very compelling impression.

Modifié par Derengard, 22 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[RedrDog 2]

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Yes, because one explosion is different from another. 

But that is the LEAST contradictory aspect of the ending.  The Geth and Quarians...let's see...starchild says synthetics will ALWAYS turn on their creators so he created the synthetic Reapers in order to kill advanced organics before their own synthetics can kill them because it is better to be wiped out by starchild synthetics than your own synthetics.  That's just patently obvious right?  RIGHT?  And of course the little tyke's logic is further upheld with the Geth and Quarians at total happy peace.  See how turny on creators that is?  Or the FACT that the Quarians, the creators of Geth synthetics, turned on THEM, NOT the other way around in the first place!  Or look at EDI and how she is just itching to turn on her creators.  She's so keen to destroy her creators that she is trying to be as much like them as she can!  The INFAMY.  The EVIL of that.  

Yes...let's just ignore the blowing up of relays because if you do that the current ending just makes so much damn sense.

[/quote]

Haha, Couldn't have said it better Myself.

[alandavidson]

The ending couldn't have been planned from the beginning. If someone owned a xbox but wasn't on xbox live and had this game they would have an incomplete game and no chance to have the complete game. This is the ending they intended and as bioware have admitted it isn't what it should have been (this may just be my interpretation of the statements released).

[Stigweird85]

my problem with all these petitions and polls is that they invariable reflect the answer that the poster wants to hear. It's all in the question that you ask.

For instant, if you ask: Do you think that unisured people should get free medical attention when you have to pay -> You will likely get a resounding no
If you ask: Should a hospital turn away a child as they can't pay? -> You will likely get a yes.

It's the exact same question with two different answers, Done correctly you can use surveys and polls to show anything that you want

[Hussain_2012]

Let's face it,

if anyone go through the game from ME 1 to ME 3 will know ME 3 ending has an issue, yes it has a major issue. I must admit, this story affected me emotionally and I spent more than 1300 hours playing ME 1 & 2 and clock still counting for ME 3 and I expect it will exceed that number because I have a lot of saves for ME 2 and I like to see the results in ME 3 ,,,, bad luck the ending is below my expectation ...

The least thing that can be done for the current ending, I advice is either Reapers win again and end the cycle or Shepard wake up on earth and Find an idea, however with little resources left in his hand he shall be carful in his decisions form this moment...... etc (BW you can do better than that, you're the best!)

[BoneNinja]

CptData wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Today we have a message from BioWare Co-Founder Ray Muzyka to Mass Effect players.

Please use this thread for your comment's on Ray's blog.

A well written response.

All I have to say so far: keep listening. The saner fans don't want you to retcon the current endings, but to expand and complete them so they make far more sense.

Re-use your "indoctrination plot" you originally had in mind for Shepard's last moments. Make the endings becoming a struggle of his/her mind fighting indoctrination. Since the entire game after Harbingers beam feels like an illusion already, keep it that way - and declare it to a hallucination.

Instead of sending the Normandy away, keep her in orbit of Earth. And don't let the game end with Shepard's breath scene, but add another mission that leads to the -real- end: a fight through the Citadel till a console. Shepard has to push a button to release the Crucible's power. No decision, nothing else, Reapers flee / get destroyed. Done.
Depending on EMS and decisions in ME1, ME2 and ME3, the player might see a happy ending or one where s/he had to sacrifice everything for another day. From "happy" to "sad" with several grey shades, so to speak.

What do I suggest?

Complete the game. Make it happen. ME3 is a fine piece of art, but it's not complete. The series itself is perfect - with exception of some smaller flaws and story issues - but feels incomplete 'cause of the endings.


Thank you for listening.

I'm with this. The Indoctrination Theory out there is actually sound in it's points AND is a really good narrative idea. Indoctrination is something Bioware wanted to do with Shepherd in this game, now they still have the chance. They set themselves up perfectly for it, go with it! 

I don't want the endings changed. I think they were fine, I just think they stopped too soon. Which ultimately maybe was a good thing, the team that worked so hard on these games and did such a phenomenal job get to tell their story and yet the fans still get to have their input and contribution to this amazing story too. I'm cautiously optimistic that this can work out for the best for everyone! From what I've seen the endings CAN still incorporate the full range of "happy reunite with crew/LI" ending through the very sad and devestating. As they should in my opinion, there should be a way (even if it's only one very specific path you had to take to get there) to get the "happy /reunite" ending and then staggered with choices on down to the bottom. And the options to do/show this are already set up to be there. So I really hope Bioware just expands out beyond the ending they have created. I've mentioned in the other forums specifically what I found confusing about the endings so I won't reiterate here again.

The only small things I would have liked to see during the game:
1. For at least Spacer Shepherd, maybe at least a letter from his/her mom?!? I mean, I was grateful when Hackett finally at least mentioned her, but geez, can't she take a second to drop me a note in game? Even passed through Hackett like some of the other missions. Just something to give her thoughts and feelings to her only child out there trying to save the universe?!

2. I would have liked to see more fleets mentioned during the assult on Earth. When everyone shows up in the Sol System and reports in. Only the biggest fleets "check-in" I would have liked for Joker to at least mention the other fleets/war assets that Shepherd had the options of picking up through the game. Examples specifically include mentioning: The Hanar and Drell, Elcor, Volus, Rachni, perhaps even other Specters and STG forces.

Otherwise, I loved this game, this entire series in fact. This series is something the Mass Effect team as a whole should be tremendously proud of.

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

A message from the founder of
BioWare saying that they're listening and gathering feedback from the
people who they KNOW are upset, and asking for constructive criticism so
they can use it to build on...


And he still gets ripped for it.

Holy hell, people.

My thoughts exactly. <_< Be constructive, be SPECIFIC, be respectful in your feedback, or go away. You aren't contributing anything to the game or to the community. And I've seen far too many posts/people that I classify in this over the past two weeks.

edited for formatting errors

Modifié par BoneNinja, 22 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Getorex]

My personal review of Mass Effect 3 was added not too long ago to the long LONG list of user reviews at Amazon.com. I give 2 out of 5 stars. I cover the great, the good, and the not so good. I then cover the ending and how it sucks the life out of the entire series.

My review is but one of hundreds that hit on the same thing. Amazon has ME3 still SOLIDLY at 2 stars. It is a 2 star game, plain and simple (some would argue 1 star). As yet another measure of paying customer sentiment...9 out of 12 readers found my review helpful. I'd be willing to bet that this is essentially the same ratio you'd get from ALL players as to what they feel about the game and the ending. In fact, EVERY poll I've seen, whether on this site or others, shows a similar level of dislike.

But we are the minority. Remember that. 9 out of 12 = minority. In Luny World.

[Nathan Redgrave]

TempShark wrote...

Ray, I would LOVE to play the game and see the ending, but PLEASE address the face import issue!

He didn't mention that at all!

It's already been mentioned in another post that they're working on that.

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

Ael wrote...

It's just really sad that the entire game, which I personally liked and thought was excellent,is ruined by the last ten minutes. Truly one of the worst endings for the best sci-fc series done to date.

Had planned on playing the entire series through again, but after finishing ME3 what the hells the use

my thoughts exactly....seriousely its exactly the same

[Getorex]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

TempShark wrote...

Ray, I would LOVE to play the game and see the ending, but PLEASE address the face import issue!

He didn't mention that at all!

It's already been mentioned in another post that they're working on that.

Indeed.  There IS a fix but it has to go through QC testing before it gets released as a bug fix update.  Patience.  It is coming.  Then you can get to the end and join the majority of other players in HATING it.  

[Getorex]

You can get a NEW ME3 game for PC now for $47 via Amazon. I'm waiting until they fix the ending before I re-purchase ME3 (I exchanged it via EA Games for something else...Amazon gives refunds). When/if the end gets proper repair and treatment I'll be more than happy to buy it again and play. I suspect that the price will have dropped to $20-30 before they get around to fixing the end...if ever.

[bathor]

so there is a small chance that ending of: "we created reapers so they will kill you before you will be able to create synthethics which will destroy you" might be fixed after XX (place number here) of yeras durning which the game was developed?
Also could bioware state how Shepard manage to become biggest mass destoryer of universe?
At the end all the fleet is at earth, all races: Turians, Asaris, Quarians, Krogans, Volus and many others - after releays are destroyed all stays at earth - BRAVO!!!. Shepard maange to kill all races better than reapers since earth provide everything which humans needs no other races.
I mean really i asked it earler but someone who came up with this history was preaty on high...
and it looks like to much of battlestar galactica...

Modifié par bathor, 22 mars 2012 - 05:16 .

[Moriloke]

Well, that was a refreshing post.
More credible than the last one, with more indications or answers.
I love ME universe, and Bioware has always been able to create great game universe (kotor 1&2, dragon age1, ME1-2-3) and know that even the co-founder took the time to write to us fans (or some one in his name, idc), I tend to believe that they will not stop with this ending.

ME3 was until the last 10 minutes absolutely epic and was beyond all I was waiting for.  I don't believe they will re-do the ending. But I do believe that the plot holes will be filled quickly with playable content. (Even if it may mean that we'd have to pay more to know the whole truth...)

I played the whole series and was quite sentimentally involved in ME universe, but I can see that from the point of view of someone who didn't play ME1 & 2, the ending(s) might not seem that bad. Because many past facts are not explained in the 3, and they don't know how much the 1 & 2 don't leave any question at the end, or none that a sequel wouldn't answer. Or ME3 is supposed to be the last at the moment, so we expected to have no question left.

Like many other though, the ending cut me the pleasure of re-doing the game. I had more shepards to guide through the Reapers' war, but... To me right now it seems meaningless. So many different path, to converge to the same end no matter what. Except for what may happen post-war, but we don't get to see it in the ending video.


So, Bioware, I still have a little faith that you will find something that will help us fan to get the feeling that redoing the game once more won't be the almost same experience.

[SalsaDMA]

Bcoolpro wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

I'm terrified that we're just going to get "explanation" content rather than new endings. That's not enough for me (or for a very large number of Bioware's customers).

According
to a EA press release on march 12th " ME3 sold
890,000 copies during the first 24 hours it was on sale in North America."
 The poll you site doesn't represent "a large number" just yet...
neither does the petition... given the number of games already sold worldwide it's still a little early to be talking about large numbers
at least statically speaking.

Considering that most statistical graphs for behavioural patterns of millions of people are done using much much smaller samples, I fail to see how you can dismiss the sample as being too small...

[RedrDog 2]

bigstig wrote...

Fairplay to you, all valid points and I agree with most of them. I did think the normandy thing was a little weird, however I just assumed when relays exploded at the end it was more of an EMP thing with a shock wave rather than a catestrophic explosion that crashing a meteor in one would created. This also explains why the Normandy suffers combination of shockwave and EMP. The easiest solution is a text epilogue at the end but personally I don't like that, it seems like a cheap out. Show me don't tell me what happened.

Ideally I would like Bioware to run with the indoctrination theory, make that final segment all an illusion in Shep's mind. This means you can keep the end and add anything you want after it.

Well said, IMO this would also be a great setup for the start of ME4 (Fingers crossed), No super weapon with a big (Kill all reapers button on it) Shepard unable to fight on the front lines any more do to his injures. They could pull a "Dragon Age: Origins" And let you play as any race, in what would be a long drawn out battle to stop the reapers.

IMO all they would have to do to prove that the indoctrination theory is true, is that when it cuts to the grandfather telling the story, is to have the kid say "But grandfather that can't be how the story ends, We still have the mass relays"  and maybe a few other little things here and there.

But all speculation aside, heres hopeing the new ending is atleast a little (better/makes more sense) then what it has now.

Modifié par RedrDog 2, 22 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Hoekzema]

Well Bioware, was that so hard? I am very happy this post has been made and I can understand how you can't respond to something like this the very first day, but come on this post should have been made a long time ago.

[Heliosas]

They should have just given us a hopeless battle where the reapers won. It would have sucked just as much and made the entire series just as pointless, but at least it would have made sense.

 Yes I am feeling bitter. Bioware claim to love this game series as much as we do, and so they should. But in which case how could they give it such a poorly put together ending? Plot holes, inconsistencies, blatant ignoring of the ME lore. And then what explanations we did get were slight and lazy.

"Oh so like I made these machines to kill you all and turn your DNA into more machines to stop other machines wiping you out"..ooook and who are you again? Where were you in ME1 at the Citadel, why are you giving me any options at all if you are the all-powerful dude who created the reapers in the first place? Oh of course that's right you are giving me non-options, 2 of which you win anyway and all 3 of which where us organics lose. Cheers

 

Edit: The theory going around that Shepard is indoctrinated and imagining it all in his head is the only way it makes sense. And if that was planned by Bioware just to watch us all squirm before charging us for the real ending..I would applaud them on the best troll in history. But it seems unlikely when the likes of Ray.M feel the need to comment on the spiralling dis-satisfaction.

Modifié par Heliosas, 22 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[shatun]

Lol. it's still the same.
"I mean, if your going to dump on people, the kind of steaming, stinking, smelling dump the your kind traffics in, at least stand by your dump." © family guy
"most loyal fans" "most ardent fans" "most passionate fans". I'm not fan at all and I think the ending sucked. I don't understand how can someone give ME3 9.5/10. Anyone who says ME3 ending was good, is either stupid, or on EA's payroll. Killing the latter...

[Zhuinden]

This thread was made to be a reply to this statement.

I'm not sure if it has been read before, but I figured I should link it - considering, it IS a comment to the blog.