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[greywardencommander]

TempShark wrote...

Ray, I would LOVE to play the game and see the ending, but PLEASE address the face import issue!

He didn't mention that at all!

My fake Shep just looks all wrong! Can't wait to play with THE REAL shep

[naledgeborn is back]

Thanks for the reply Doc. I hope the feedback will be helpful in tailoring a satisfying conclusion to an epic trilogy.

And a round of applause for the Retake Movement. Keep holding the line, it's just the beginning.

[frostajulie]

Sorry Doc, I cannot lie to my friends and tell them how awesome the game was when as perfect as it may have been prior to the last 5 minutes, those last 5 minutes were so incredibly bad and ill concieved and one of the laziest examples of bad writing that it ruined not just the perfection of the game but the perfection of the franchise. Your ending negates all choices and actions made prior to that point.

Your singular ending in 3 colors annihilates the rest of the series
Your ending which is a choice between Doors A B or C and culminates in the exact same ending puts lie to everything you have ever said or promised. Fix this and then I will have something to say to my friends other than "Don't buy that."

Your endings make peace of mine the collateral damage of your so called artistic ending

[Kersca]

matchboxmatt wrote...

Kersca wrote...

You lose any claim to artistic integrity when the final thing we see in the game is an ad for DLC.

I disagree. Without that message, most people would be completely done with the game. With a nihilist ending, most people would assume Mass Effect is completely over and retire the game. Saying that DLC will be made available implies that although the story can be finished, mid-game content will still be provided.

Who is going to pay money for mid game content when the ending leaves a bad taste in most people's mouth?   I'm going to retake Omega for Aria so i can accomplish what?   It makes no difference and is incredibly out of place with what you are trying to do.

My point is, if they plan on DLC they are going to have to tinker, retool, or outright change the ending or it won't be worth the time and effort they put into it.   

Modifié par Kersca, 21 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[Estelindis]

Thank you for the blog, Ray. I personally feel for the pain many of you in Bioware are experiencing when it comes to the strong negative reactions of many to the ending(s) of Mass Effect 3. I am one of the people who was very disappointed in the standard of the ending(s) compared to the incredible quality of the rest of ME3, but that doesn't mean I can't empathise with how you feel about our disappointment. It can't be easy.

However, I am glad to see that you are doing your best to respond to our criticism constructively and positively. I agree that you need to balance respect towards fans who enjoy the current ending(s), who are certainly entitled to do so, with respect for those who are deeply disappointed and find the ending(s) illogical and unsatisfying.   That said, those fans who already enjoy the ending as it is already have what they want.  Wouldn't making any modification to the ending entirely optional be the best way to cater to their preferences? 

Congratulations on making a great game for 99% of Mass Effect 3. Everyone who worked on the vast majority of the game has every reason to be proud. I am really glad that you are working on finding ways to turn that 99% into 100%. Bioware is my favourite games company and I want to be able to look forward to your next release, to be able to believe that it's worthwhile making another emotional investment in the worlds and characters that you write, to have faith that all the time and love put into any given game will ultimately pay off in a satisfying conclusion rather than being wasted and leaving me hurt. I'm sure that you, as game makers, did not intend to disappoint, even though I honestly have no idea how whoever wrote the ending(s) thought that they provided a coherent conclusion to our epic journey or that most people would like them.  However, what's done is done. What matters now is how the damage is repaired. Let's be thankful that this happened at a time in gaming history when it's possible to add and easily deliver smaller-than-expansion-pack content packages. Thanks for showing us that you're trying to make those repairs. I look forward to ending DLC that respects the immense work that Bioware put into writing everything that happened in the run-up to the final scenes on ME3.

Modifié par Estelindis, 21 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

MascotRay wrote...

The ending was and is perfect. I am severely disappointed in this community that I had come to love over the past several years. Not because they have their own opinions, but because of the immense amount of hatred and anger spewed toward people who created a universe that, in my opinion, is the creation of science fiction, frankly, ever.

Personally, I think that while I loved the ending, it wasn't, necessarily, PERFECT (I still don't... get the whole Joker/Normandy part) but other than that, I completely agree with you.

[Cartims]

So....the endings were meant to be godkid + blue/green/red buttons.
This is artistic integrity, sorry, i am so stoopid, I didn't notice it at all....my bad.

[sackyhack]

I think there are too many things at play here. The developers saw the entirety of ME3 as "the end", with many plotlines truly getting resolved throughout the game, not just in the last portions. While most gamers see the ending of ME3 as "the end". I think both camps are right, and need to make concessions to each other.

For example, they are indeed right that the whole Quarian/Geth thing and the Genophage was resolved in the game, and ideally you wouldn't need anymore after that. However, the players are also right that the last minute threw all of that out the window because now everyone is abandoned on Earth.

Another example, you saw many of the old crewmate's problems from the previous game get resolved in some way (Mordin's guilt, Thane's disease, Garrus feeling ostracized from rest of Turians), but again a few seconds in the ending threw a lot of that out with what happened to the Normandy and everyone on Earth.

Over 30 hours, many questions were answered, but in 5 minutes so many more were raised and left completely unanswered. I agree that there should be some sort of artistic integrity and standing by your writings, but you have to agree that while you resolved many things during the game, the last few bits were just baffling to anyone paying attention.

As far as critics, they're people too and my opinion isn't any moer important than someone else's. But if you think about it, I doubt many critics have the time to play each game in the series 4 times (or more) like many of your fans do. We know the game's lore in-and-out, and are more connected to the characters and their plight in the games. Also, I've read more than one review where the critic didn't import a save to have the "every-man" experience. There's no way they're going to be as deeply involved as your customers.

So, I believe in you guys, since even your "worst" game (DA2) was much better than many others on the market, and you did an awesome job with ME2 dlc. But you have to keep in mind how Lost-like your ending was despite your intention to avoid that. All of ME3 may have been the true ending, but the last few minutes were like a "ON THE NEXT EPISODE" montage for a sequel.

[PlasmaCannon]

Do the executives of bioware sign off on the final product, or is that just the exec producer. If muzyka actually saw the whole ending, i dont think he would have let it pass, especially if he was an avid player of the series.

[sillyrobot]

kleindropper wrote...

So what I read into this is: a) this was supposed to be "the" ending and an overwhelming po'ed response has prompted them to work on a new one.

Winning?

Looks like (a), but not (.  what i read was this is supposed to be the ending, but ( they'd write more to explain this ending better to people.  I 'get' the ending; I just think it sucks and is reasonably indefensible.

[tetrisblock4x1]

The reviewers aren't giving perfect 10s for the game, Ray, they're giving perfect 10s because the Mss Effect fandom is legion and because the livelihood of journalists depend on the size of the readership more so than journalistic integrity. They're giving perfect 10's because they want to slice of the massive Bioware community to boost their readership so they can earn money. You won't attract readers to your magazine or website by giving low ratings to popular games.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 21 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Seijuku]

Ronin1325 wrote...

I have to process this. I'm still in shock that this was the ending that they intended.

I know right? Can't get over that they thought we would be amazed by the ending(s)

[Ronin1325]

Vaktathi wrote...

Good to hear from Dr. Muzyka, and the response is appreciated, but at the same time this is still *very* deflective (please don't quote us industry review scores, too many of us do not have faith in such sources to accurately rate games) and doesn't really acknowledge any of the points that people have an issue with beyond that fact that people *are* having issues with it.

It's not just about closure, it's about an ending that doesn't make sense, doesn't fit what was advertised, and massively violates the reader-writer contract, in addition to being almost completely identical whether you play the bare minimum 10 hours of ME3 to beat or 120+ hours of all 3 games+DLC content.

It feels like an ending written by an entirely different team for an entirely different game and forced in at the last minute over what was otherwise excellent content.

Please, drop the artistic integrity argument. Yes, games are art. No, art is not immutable, and yes, it can be done wrong. And ending where the lead fan view on it is that the main character has fallen to mind control by their opponents in order to *not* take the actual ending at face value, is an ending done wrong.

If the founder of the game studio has to come out and try to defend it, your creation did not meet the expectations or desires of the audience.

Yes, the vast majority of this game is excellent. Unfortunately the ending is so disappointing that yes, it does cast a shadow large enough to dampen the greatness of the game, and indeed the entire trilogy, as a whole.

Finally, it's very difficult to take at face value the fact that this is completely unprecedented. This uproar began before the game was even released. We have people posting every day how they reach the ending and are immediately disheartened by it, usually shocked and confused, even after disbelieving stories they hear from others and discounting them before reaching the ending themselves. That *NONE* of this was picked up on during your internal review and testing is very difficult to take seriously, as it's a pretty immediate reaction from a large portion of the playerbase. I'm sure you had internal feedback telling you there were problems with this ending.

It's ok to admit a mistake was made, really, it is. Just fix it is all.

I would have written this if I wasn't so tired. Props Vaktathi

[Mora1970]

We'll see what happens in near future. I truly hope they get some sense to the ending because otherwise me3 is pretty awesome. I'm going on my second playthrough and enjoying it, still I have a little (relaitvely) pain in stomach when I know what's waiting for my shepard in the end. And I must confess if they get the end at least somehow reasonable to go on, I'll be sucker to go for every dlc there'll be. I. Have. Spoken.

Modifié par Mora1970, 21 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[jackyboy666]

Massively appreciated! Thank you for listening!

And to all the fans attacking members of the Bioware staff individually, get a life seriously.

I'm so happy that Bioware cares about its fans. If the team of Bioware are wondering where to take the story, there are tons of ideas out there on these forums and on youtube (including the whole indoctrination theory which I find really fitting!)

[MoonsKisu]

I fully believe that the game was fantastic. All 3 were great and I loved every minute I've spent playing them...until the end. I can accept an unhappy ending, if it made sense and fit in with the rest of the story. This ending just left me with so many unanswered questions. It felt almost tacked on, like it came from an entirely different story.

I hope like heck that this isn't just a hollow pr response and that something will be done to rectify an ending that almost ruined the entire series of games for me.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

The PLC wrote...

I just really don't understand how the negative reactions would surprise him/Bioware. I really don't get it.

Yes, me too. I guess they thought we would be so much pleased with the 99,5% of the game that we wouldn't be so upset with that rushed nonsensical finale.

They thought we would be discussing the possibilities and fill in what they left (on purpose or not). Yeah we did discuss and I think that for mostly everybody, the more we thought about it, the worse it got. Basically, it backfired.

[Kalms]

As I wrote in another thread:

I'd love to support the game, and I consider myself doing so, by not returning it. I have every faith, that BioWare has something excellent in store for us.

I loved the game and the road taken to reach that infamous ending. The game is very artistic, emotional and engaging - but I have a hard time recommending it to friends and peers. Mainly because I'm afraid they'll be just as disappointed, when they reach the climax of their personal story within the ME universe.

And that's the essence of it all: BioWare has succeeded in creating a very personal experience. They taught us, and showed us through a superior gaming experience, that our choices mattered. When we ultimately discovered that those choices didn't matter, well...

I trust you, BioWare. But I can't support or recommend the game in its current form. And this is coming from someone who bought an xbox - just so he could play and experience the series as a whole.

[Ownedbacon]

I loved the game but the ending just ruins it. The writing staff had such great writing throughout the game I'm surprised they didn't maintain that quality in its final moments. Instead they ripped off an ending from another game: . How is that "artistic integrity"?

Modifié par Ownedbacon, 21 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[The_Duke75]

BuckDizzle23 wrote...

It's going to take a LOT more than a vague, non-committal statement to restore trust at this point.

This.

How anyone, even the devs, can play the game, watch the ending and go "**** yeah!" is beyond me. There's no replay value whatsoever since the ending fails to deliver even the smallest sense of accomplishment for the player. That's not artistic, it's total fail. 

The DLC that continues the story, if there is one, better be for free or comes with content that's actually worth the money, otherwise my wallet stays closed and I take it elsewhere. I'm also not going to listen to reviews of bribed magazines. They've let me down one too many times with this. 

[vexus vi]

i just hope we don't have to pay for our deserved, epilogue, closure, true end, or whatever they have planned. that would be super cruel.

[kbct]

Vaktathi wrote...

Good to hear from Dr. Muzyka, and the response is appreciated, but at the same time this is still *very* deflective (please don't quote us industry review scores, too many of us do not have faith in such sources to accurately rate games) and doesn't really acknowledge any of the points that people have an issue with beyond that fact that people *are* having issues with it.

It's not just about closure, it's about an ending that doesn't make sense, doesn't fit what was advertised, and massively violates the reader-writer contract, in addition to being almost completely identical whether you play the bare minimum 10 hours of ME3 to beat or 120+ hours of all 3 games+DLC content.

It feels like an ending written by an entirely different team for an entirely different game and forced in at the last minute over what was otherwise excellent content.

Please, drop the artistic integrity argument. Yes, games are art. No, art is not immutable, and yes, it can be done wrong. And ending where the lead fan view on it is that the main character has fallen to mind control by their opponents in order to *not* take the actual ending at face value, is an ending done wrong.

If the founder of the game studio has to come out and try to defend it to the fans, something was done incorrectly.

Yes, the vast majority of this game is excellent. Unfortunately the ending is so disappointing that yes, it does cast a shadow large enough to dampen the greatness of the game, and indeed the entire trilogy, as a whole.

Finally, it's very difficult to take at face value the fact that this is completely unprecedented. This uproar began before the game was even released. We have people posting every day how they reach the ending and are immediately disheartened by it, usually shocked and confused, even after disbelieving stories they hear from others and discounting them before reaching the ending themselves. That *NONE* of this was picked up on during your internal review and testing is very difficult to take seriously, as it's a pretty immediate reaction from a large portion of the playerbase. I'm sure you had internal feedback telling you there were problems with this ending.

It's ok to admit a mistake was made, really, it is. Just fix it is all.

Well said.

[Lupus Canivus]

The PLC wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

Hey having a problem accessing the info. It just sends me to Operation Goliath thing....Help?

Anyone?

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ 

Thanks!



After reading the thing, I think its just empty words, a "talk to the gallery" as we say in Sweden.

Art, yeh. Hold the line people!

[greywardencommander]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

A big thanks to Ray for addressing us. Hopefully, Casey and his team can produce something meaningful, although my money is on a Genesis-style DLC epilogue. :-(

I have to say... I'm still astounded that so many brilliant people at Bioware watched the ending play out, and collectively thought "The fans are gonna love this!"

I've started playing Deus Ex, and I can see some minor influences in ME3.  Deus Ex is an awesome game (even if the combat sucks).


This is great that Dr. Ray is addressign the situation.  Despite the ending, this was one of the most fun game sI've ever had.  My Shepard deserved a beter ending, but ultimately, Shepard' story (except for the last 15 minutes), was fairly awesome.

lol 'minor influences' of Deus Ex...

[DoctorEss]

Good to know that in the mind of the new EABioware, that paid critics > actual fans.

It's true what they say, to developers now, the only thing that matters is metacritic, not sales or the people actually buying and playing your games.

Good to know my money is not going into your pockets anymore.

I wonder what is going on in his mind, that he is surprised that in a series all about choice, people would be upset when at the very conclusion, all choices are rendered meaningless, and you're forced into something you have no say in.

Modifié par DoctorEss, 21 mars 2012 - 03:57 .