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[Herr Igor]

orangesonic wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

There is ONLY IN THING TO DO and it is a very simple one: NEVER BUY BIOWARE/EA MATERIAL AGAIN.

It's not like we NEEDED to buy those games in the first place... I mean, come on. We did it because we wanted to support both the company and the titles.

Now if they only care about money - and it is a fact, they only care about money! - there's nothing else to discuss. Nothing will change for us, but we can make it change quite a bit for them.

And until they get hit exactly there in the 'vault' things will never change.

Everybody loves to talk about how the "customer is always right" and has a lot of rights. And that's fine. But then comes the time to stop talking about it and take a real stand. Let the smaller numbers do the talking for you.

By the way, they will not change the ending precisely because they REALLY think people are stupid enough to buy any DLC if they just label it as "closure DLC".

Make no mistake! This "PR promised" DLC has no relation to the fan reaction regarding the ending. None whatsoever, this next DLC was planned from the very beginning. They're just using it to buy some time, trusting the dust will settle (as has already started to happen).

"New content DLC: this time you will watch all extra colors of the rainbow! US$ 10,00"

funny one

many people will still buy no matter what we say... pointless discussion

I mean no disrespect. But with this kind of thinking I can see no reason why you shouldn't have a bright future as a BIOWARE/EA executive. For that's exactly what they are all thinking right now.

I don't know, perhaps you're right and the American market (which is as far as I know the largest and therefore the most important one) is really that gullible.

But even if it is as you state, I'm sure that there must be quite a lot of people that won't be buying DLCs or future BIOWARE material. This could be prevented from happening but apparently BW/EA are not REALLY listening, are they now?!

Fine.

Especially because it's not like the digital world doesn't make available very easy and costless ways to implement this very simple resolution of not providing any more support to BIOWARE and/or EA.

Modifié par Herr Igor, 24 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[orangesonic]

Herr Igor wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

There is ONLY IN THING TO DO and it is a very simple one: NEVER BUY BIOWARE/EA MATERIAL AGAIN.

It's not like we NEEDED to buy those games in the first place... I mean, come on. We did it because we wanted to support both the company and the titles.

Now if they only care about money - and it is a fact, they only care about money! - there's nothing else to discuss. Nothing will change for us, but we can make it change quite a bit for them.

And until they get hit exactly there in the 'vault' things will never change.

Everybody loves to talk about how the "customer is always right" and has a lot of rights. And that's fine. But then comes the time to stop talking about it and take a real stand. Let the smaller numbers do the talking for you.

By the way, they will not change the ending precisely because they REALLY think people are stupid enough to buy any DLC if they just label it as "closure DLC".

Make no mistake! This "PR promised" DLC has no relation to the fan reaction regarding the ending. None whatsoever, this next DLC was planned from the very beginning. They're just using it to buy some time, trusting the dust will settle (as has already started to happen).

"New content DLC: this time you will watch all extra colors of the rainbow! US$ 10,00"

funny one

many people will still buy no matter what we say... pointless discussion

I mean no disrespect. But with this kind of thinking I can see no reason why you shouldn't have a bright future as a BIOWARE/EA executive. For that's exactly what they are all thinking right now.

I don't know, perhaps you're right and the American market (which is as far as I know the largest and therefore the most important one) is really that gullible.

But even if it is as you state, I'm sure that there must be quite a lot of people that won't be buying DLCs or future BIOWARE material. This could be prevented from happening but apparently BW/EA are not REALLY listening, are they now?!

Fine.

Especially because it's not like the digital world doesn't make available very easy and costless ways to implement this very simple resolution of not providing any more support to BIOWARE and/or EA.

not that i disagree or anything, but i bet you and many other people complain will still buy Bioware products, as will i, because it`s not a crap ending or a DLC that change my view since there were so great games made by bioware that a ME problem doesn`t change that, and by DLC, it`s just a new way of developers to put new ideas in a game (not saying the dayone DLC shouldn`t be free, it should, as it was Zaeed DLC in ME2), but from now on, it appears to be a new way of making money, and we are FREE to decide to buy or not...

by the way, i don`t buy the game because i needed to, i buy because it is fun to play and i like ME universe as i like star wars,and it`s not a crap ending that will be the end of world, but wharever... no bad blood here man, just saying

[Beta-Breech]

Bcoolpro wrote...

Getorex wrote...

The silly and redundant and objectively false notion that "art" must be respected and never ever changed, that it just isn't done, that it is "dangerous" (what ****** to think THAT is "dangerous") is getting REAL tiresome.

People never heard of test audiences, it seems, where movies are pre-screened by "test" audiences to guage their reaction to an ending (usually).  They don't like it, THE ENDING IS CHANGED.  The HORROR.  EVERYONE here who has EVER seen a movie has watched movies in which the ending was changed to please the audience.  Every. Single. Person.

Why do so many people hate reason?

There's a flaw in your "reason.  Test audiences or focus groups are conducted
before a film is released... that is to say it is not strictly speaking finished.
 Also studios are under no obligation to do focus groups at all.
 Mostly it's an attempt to appeal to as many people as possible to
maximize sales... in other words they only care what people think insofar as it
relates to their profit margin.  Either way it doesn't relate in this case
as Mass Effect 3 is now published.




I also don't understand people who say Bioware has "lost touch" or
become "irrelevant."  Mass Effect has been highly acclaimed by
critics.  To say that every single professional that has offered a
positive review is somehow biased or a corporate shill is rather ridiculous...
perhaps the a percentage of the gaming community are the ones how have
"lost touch."  I am not saying everyone should like the game because some reviewer said so… I am
pointing out that the game is significant and worthy of a certain amount of
respect.  Personally I didn’t like the
film “Pulp Fiction” but I could appreciate it as a well made film.

 

To an extent I agree, however on the critics view:

They're biased for the most part because they're getting paid.   I mean how many games have been released in the last two years that have basically not evoleved (looking at the cod series here) and still have rave reviews?  The story in those games is far from compelling as is the multi player.  

There are many, many games that after playing once or half way through I've regretted buying after reading the professional reviews.   Most games score  at least at 8/9 if they've been around for a while as a series.      It's the first game in a series that sells the game and the reviews that follow reflect the first.  

The only way I see that Bioware have lost touch is in their writing process.    The same things occur in a smaller proportion in the old republic.      I'd much rather wait another year for a game to be perfect, than have a rushed product with so much more potential that is ulitmately ruined because of the rush.   

Modifié par Beta-Breech, 24 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[MarkFullMoonBlade]

All this finale fuss is starting to get really heavy...

After 2 days i beat the game personally the frustration and anger is starting to dissipate and all that's left is void and sadness. But after all i think it's us fans who were silly in the first place to put so much heart and passion into the game and its amazing characters... so much we got scorched when badle when the game didn't duly delivered.

The words of Bioware co-founder are appreciated, but to be honest unless they make an hell of a job (and hopefully free) dlc, i doubt it's gonna make it that better for the millions of heartbroken fans out there.

Regarding his statement of ME3 being the greatest work of Bioware so far... well, i honestly think that if those 10 minutes where scripted right it, the ME series could have not only been the best Bioware work so far, but maybe the best videogaming series so far. That just killed the magic for me. I think the sceptre and crown still belongs to Baldur's Gate after 14 years as far as BioWare goes... nice try to claim the throne though... nearly got it imho.

Its a puny argument to say since the 99% of the series was great and only finale was not praised by the public the game is still 99% great. That may be true if the bad part was a single quest-line, or a series of sub-quest, or a companion done badly even. It being the ending of 120 hours of passionate involvement and building suspance, just totally blows the bubble... all you can think of are the 119 hours of amazing fun and love for the game that made you itch to come back from work everyday to keep playing it and the fact they feel now sort of pointless. You know they weren't pointless, you know you still had a blast, but you can't help but feel the bitter in your tongue, like if you'd manage to reach the SuperBowl with the worst team in the league and lose it for a defensive mistake when it's like 1 minute til the end. You know you still did amazing and had an incredible ride, but all that remains is the sadness for being so close and falling short.

Pessimist as i am atm i don't see this changing, but i want also to be the first to say to Ray Muzyka that if they manage in any way to set it right with dlc or stuff, i woulnd't wait a minute to return with full passion and drive at the side of Bioware. When fans are heard, fans respond with love after all.

Just a small footnote on the Mona Lisa argument... the artists of the time nearly always worked on commission for nobles, the church or wealthy middleclass, so actually... yes, if their committor didn't like it... redo it or no pay (or reduced pay). Needless to say that even if they get paid or half-paid for jobs not liked their chances of finding work in the same city/country after that would get pretty slim, being bad publicity from a wealthy patron kinda the worst thing that could have happened to you in an era without media and where only reputation and influence counted. So it's a pretty weak example to explain the art integrity argument.

[RaggieRags]

Dear writers of Mass Effect 3,

I'm not claiming I have the right to make any demands on you. I'm not entitled to tell you how to tell your stories. The thing is, just like you have the right to make the sort of art you want, I can also choose to reject it.

I can understand why you wrote the ending the way you did. You wanted to write "serious " art, not just "subliterary" escapism. "Serious" art is complicated business, none of this embarrassing emotional stuff and naive identification. It's a game where the writer inserts meaning into the text, and the reader is supposed to decode this meaning while staying detached from the story itself. That's certainly how literature is taught in college courses.

You wrote Mass Effect 3 to be something to be decoded, but your audience played it to experience it. We valued the stories in the series *as stories*, not as puzzles or essays in disguise. We didn't want to decode them, we wanted to be immersed in them. We wanted to care about the characters, to find out what happens to them.

"Serious" art is easy. You can take a course on how to "correctly" decode it. Escapist literature is difficult. You can't understand it, you can only experience it. You can teach someone how to read Ulysses, but you can't teach someone what yourexperience as a Shepard was. That's personal for every one of us, and that's what makes it special.

You wanted to tell a story about loss and sacrifice, but your audience kept reading the series as an inspirational tale. To you, Shephard was a tragic figure; to us, a hero. Modern art and entertainment doesn't appreciate inspirational, heroic characters, but that doesn't mean the audience doesn't. We *crave* for them. In the romantic period, stories weren't supposed to reflect reality; they were supposed to inspire, to show what *should* be. Gene Roddenbery, George Lucas and J.R.R. Tolkien were all very consciously romantic writers. They wanted their audience to leave theirs work with a feeling of hope. That sort of message can be a lot more meaningful than
a hundred stories on the "human condition". We don't live in a vacuum, we do understand what the reality is. That is *why* stories of hope are so important.

A lot of writers have tried to follow their success by writing "same, but better" (i.e. mold the story according to
modern standards) and in the process lost the thing that made them popular to begin with. You can argue that many have done "better" fantasy and sci-fi than The Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Star Trek, but they are
without a doubt the the most *loved* ones.

I understand this might not be what you're after. Maybe you don't want to tell stories people love, maybe you want to tell stories people can intellectually appreciate. The trouble is that we are already emotionally engaged. You made sure we did, and it's too late to ask us to have emotional distance to the story. You can't make something
personal and make it unpersonal when it's convenient for you. How the story was resolved was so painful, so foreign to a lot of people they cannot accept it. People can only reject the ending because you made it unbearable to be in your world anymore. People lose their willingness to suspend their disbelief when the story no longer makes sense to them.

Perhaps you think we are being dense, and all will be well if you just explain to us how you meant the ending to be read. But that's not really what we need. We need to be able to trust you. We need to trust that you won't take us on a ride only to pour a bucket of cold water on us at the end. Please, continue to do your "art". Just don't do it at our expense.

Modifié par RaggieRags, 24 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Dustwing]

I'm happy to see the vicious nature of some of the retakers being addressed. It's one thing to dislike the ending, it's another to trash people- and that includes lashing out at people posting in support of the current endings.

Personally, I felt the ending felt like a lot of the classic sci-fi it emulated, and that the plot holes were obvious points where they expected fans to exploit for fic and etc- a-la Zuko's mom in A:TLA. This seems to have backfired, which is a risk with any such experiment, but all the same I applaud them for attempting something more refreshing and different than the standard "You save the day! Now go back to the toadstool kingdom and eat delicious food until Bowser decides to steal the princess again".

(edit)
I did want to post one note of critiscism from a non-story angle, the quest log was far easier to use in ME2 than ME3. Was there not disk space to put stages in the fetch quests? 

Modifié par Dustwing, 24 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Herr Igor]

orangesonic wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

There is ONLY IN THING TO DO and it is a very simple one: NEVER BUY BIOWARE/EA MATERIAL AGAIN.

It's not like we NEEDED to buy those games in the first place... I mean, come on. We did it because we wanted to support both the company and the titles.

Now if they only care about money - and it is a fact, they only care about money! - there's nothing else to discuss. Nothing will change for us, but we can make it change quite a bit for them.

And until they get hit exactly there in the 'vault' things will never change.

Everybody loves to talk about how the "customer is always right" and has a lot of rights. And that's fine. But then comes the time to stop talking about it and take a real stand. Let the smaller numbers do the talking for you.

By the way, they will not change the ending precisely because they REALLY think people are stupid enough to buy any DLC if they just label it as "closure DLC".

Make no mistake! This "PR promised" DLC has no relation to the fan reaction regarding the ending. None whatsoever, this next DLC was planned from the very beginning. They're just using it to buy some time, trusting the dust will settle (as has already started to happen).

"New content DLC: this time you will watch all extra colors of the rainbow! US$ 10,00"

funny one

many people will still buy no matter what we say... pointless discussion

I mean no disrespect. But with this kind of thinking I can see no reason why you shouldn't have a bright future as a BIOWARE/EA executive. For that's exactly what they are all thinking right now.

I don't know, perhaps you're right and the American market (which is as far as I know the largest and therefore the most important one) is really that gullible.

But even if it is as you state, I'm sure that there must be quite a lot of people that won't be buying DLCs or future BIOWARE material. This could be prevented from happening but apparently BW/EA are not REALLY listening, are they now?!

Fine.

Especially because it's not like the digital world doesn't make available very easy and costless ways to implement this very simple resolution of not providing any more support to BIOWARE and/or EA.

not that i disagree or anything, but i bet you and many other people complain will still buy Bioware products, as will i, because it`s not a crap ending or a DLC that change my view since there were so great games made by bioware that a ME problem doesn`t change that, and by DLC, it`s just a new way of developers to put new ideas in a game (not saying the dayone DLC shouldn`t be free, it should, as it was Zaeed DLC in ME2), but from now on, it appears to be a new way of making money, and we are FREE to decide to buy or not...

by the way, i don`t buy the game because i needed to, i buy because it is fun to play and i like ME universe as i like star wars,and it`s not a crap ending that will be the end of world, but wharever... no bad blood here man, just saying

No problem, mate. I can respect your opinions. Although it is my opinion that you are in for a surprise.

If you knew me - even if only vaguely - you would never offer to wager because I say what I mean and I can always back it up.

Also if I were you I wouldn't be so quickly to disregard several other people from having similar morals as well. Plus, it's never too late to realize that you don't have to be made a fool for the rest of your life.

I appreciate how baffling that might be to bear these days but it still doesn't mean it's not true.

Oh, and by the way I never said you should refrain from playing the games... To the wise that is more than enough said.

Modifié par Herr Igor, 24 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Tameyah]

CptData wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Today we have a message from BioWare Co-Founder Ray Muzyka to Mass Effect players.

Please use this thread for your comment's on Ray's blog.

A well written response.

All I have to say so far: keep listening. The saner fans don't want you to retcon the current endings, but to expand and complete them so they make far more sense.

Re-use your "indoctrination plot" you originally had in mind for Shepard's last moments. Make the endings becoming a struggle of his/her mind fighting indoctrination. Since the entire game after Harbingers beam feels like an illusion already, keep it that way - and declare it to a hallucination.

Instead of sending the Normandy away, keep her in orbit of Earth. And don't let the game end with Shepard's breath scene, but add another mission that leads to the -real- end: a fight through the Citadel till a console. Shepard has to push a button to release the Crucible's power. No decision, nothing else, Reapers flee / get destroyed. Done.
Depending on EMS and decisions in ME1, ME2 and ME3, the player might see a happy ending or one where s/he had to sacrifice everything for another day. From "happy" to "sad" with several grey shades, so to speak.

What do I suggest?

Complete the game. Make it happen. ME3 is a fine piece of art, but it's not complete. The series itself is perfect - with exception of some smaller flaws and story issues - but feels incomplete 'cause of the endings.


Thank you for listening.

CptData  
Well said CptData, I wish I could repost and repost. Exactly I how I feel after playing and ended ME3, I have decided to remember fight at the collectors ship to be my last stand/fight. The 12 loyal members including The Normandy crew that fought with me to stop the collectors lived. I have no motative to ever play ME3 again. Depending on the outcome of the news in April I will probably return or trade-in the game altogether.  

Modifié par Tameyah, 24 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[orangesonic]

Herr Igor wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Herr Igor wrote...

There is ONLY IN THING TO DO and it is a very simple one: NEVER BUY BIOWARE/EA MATERIAL AGAIN.

It's not like we NEEDED to buy those games in the first place... I mean, come on. We did it because we wanted to support both the company and the titles.

Now if they only care about money - and it is a fact, they only care about money! - there's nothing else to discuss. Nothing will change for us, but we can make it change quite a bit for them.

And until they get hit exactly there in the 'vault' things will never change.

Everybody loves to talk about how the "customer is always right" and has a lot of rights. And that's fine. But then comes the time to stop talking about it and take a real stand. Let the smaller numbers do the talking for you.

By the way, they will not change the ending precisely because they REALLY think people are stupid enough to buy any DLC if they just label it as "closure DLC".

Make no mistake! This "PR promised" DLC has no relation to the fan reaction regarding the ending. None whatsoever, this next DLC was planned from the very beginning. They're just using it to buy some time, trusting the dust will settle (as has already started to happen).

"New content DLC: this time you will watch all extra colors of the rainbow! US$ 10,00"

funny one

many people will still buy no matter what we say... pointless discussion

I mean no disrespect. But with this kind of thinking I can see no reason why you shouldn't have a bright future as a BIOWARE/EA executive. For that's exactly what they are all thinking right now.

I don't know, perhaps you're right and the American market (which is as far as I know the largest and therefore the most important one) is really that gullible.

But even if it is as you state, I'm sure that there must be quite a lot of people that won't be buying DLCs or future BIOWARE material. This could be prevented from happening but apparently BW/EA are not REALLY listening, are they now?!

Fine.

Especially because it's not like the digital world doesn't make available very easy and costless ways to implement this very simple resolution of not providing any more support to BIOWARE and/or EA.

not that i disagree or anything, but i bet you and many other people complain will still buy Bioware products, as will i, because it`s not a crap ending or a DLC that change my view since there were so great games made by bioware that a ME problem doesn`t change that, and by DLC, it`s just a new way of developers to put new ideas in a game (not saying the dayone DLC shouldn`t be free, it should, as it was Zaeed DLC in ME2), but from now on, it appears to be a new way of making money, and we are FREE to decide to buy or not...

by the way, i don`t buy the game because i needed to, i buy because it is fun to play and i like ME universe as i like star wars,and it`s not a crap ending that will be the end of world, but wharever... no bad blood here man, just saying

No problem, mate. I can respect your opinions. Although it is my opinion that you are in for a surprise.

If you knew me - even if only vaguely - you would never offer to wager because I say what I mean and I can always back it up.

Also if I were you I wouldn't be so quickly to disregard several other people from having similar morals as well. Plus, it's never too late to realize that you don't have to be made a fool for the rest of your life.

I appreciate how baffling that might be to bear these days but it still doesn't mean it's not true.

Oh, and by the way I never said you should refrain from playing the games... To the wise that is more than enough said.

yeahhh, RRRight

[yuhime]

I guess everything that could be said about the ending was already said, so I will not repeat it.

I have only one question. If this is it, this is the ending you planed from the beginning, how you want to continue the story without mass relays? This is MASS EFFECT, right?

Please, please tell me that the ending is just indoctrination so I could truly enjoy the series I've loved so much since the moment I lunched it for the first time.

[Stronglav]

I totally agree with Herr Igor.All they care about now is money.
I have no words to express my hatred towards Bioware.
I am tired of theyr lies and deception.Enough!!!

[Stronglav]

yuhime wrote...

I guess everything that could be said about the ending was already said, so I will not repeat it.

I have only one question. If this is it, this is the ending you planed from the beginning, how you want to continue the story without mass relays? This is MASS EFFECT, right?

Please, please tell me that the ending is just indoctrination so I could truly enjoy the series I've loved so much since the moment I lunched it for the first time.

How old are you?They will invent something.They always do.Some stupid excuse.  

[SwitchN7]

From a business point of view what you're trying and probably will...accomplish is amazing.You will probably set a precedent on squeezing the costumer or bleeding him or her dry.EA's sticky little fingers pop-up everywhere on this ending + the further DLC closure/whatnot(Which will come with a steep price don't worry about that).Bold move from a bunch of Canadians who are generally considered.."Those nice people.."This is what will happen with a huge number of your "Fan Base".Eventually they will just like myself GET TIRED,DISGUSTED and BORED with all this little corporate shananigans and maybe some of them or more of them from what i am seeing will just refuse to spend another cent on Bioware products.Speaking for me i have cancelled my SWTOR subscription and will not purchase the last 2 pieces of DLC i missed Overlord/Kasumi.For future products i guess it's clear where i stand on that along with anything else that has an EA disgusting stamp of approval on it.I hope you will give your costumers what they deserve and should have gotten in the first place without making them sick in the process because the SAD part is that they respect and maybe "love"? you.I know i did.For the last 9 years i have grown to admire and respect both Dr. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk more than anyone else in the business(Even more than Blizzard,that should tell you something).But not one! more dollar/euro further.I hope it was worth it and you'll achieve your goal of buying a bigger...boat? Have a good day...

Modifié par SwitchN7, 24 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[yuhime]

Cheburator987 wrote...

yuhime wrote...

I guess everything that could be said about the ending was already said, so I will not repeat it.

I have only one question. If this is it, this is the ending you planed from the beginning, how you want to continue the story without mass relays? This is MASS EFFECT, right?

Please, please tell me that the ending is just indoctrination so I could truly enjoy the series I've loved so much since the moment I lunched it for the first time.

How old are you?They will invent something.They always do.Some stupid excuse.  

To old to swallow the ending they gave me. Maybe I didn't say it clearly or maybe I'm just to cynic - ending had so many plotholes that I find it hard to believe that the same team who created this created the rest of the series. I just don't want to see plotholes being filled with other incoherent content. I don't want to spend more money on something that I should be given in the game as I was promised.
If this is the end - fine. All I'm asking is a little consequence. I would really like Bioware to fill the gaps and plotholes so all the ending sequence made sense, or just have some courage and admit that they failed and leave it the way it is.
Should I expect some prequel now? Cause continuation now when I blew up half of the galaxy and pushed civilization back to middle ages doesn't make any sense.

[Shevar]

SwitchN7 wrote...

From a business point of view what you're trying and probably will...accomplish is amazing.You will probably set a precedent on squeezing the costumer or bleeding him or her dry.EA's sticky little fingers pop-up everywhere on this ending + the further DLC closure/whatnot(Which will come with a steep price don't worry about that).Bold move from a bunch of Canadians who are generally considered.."Those nice people.."This is what will happen with a huge number of your "Fan Base".Eventually they will just like myself GET TIRED,DISGUSTED and BORED with all this little corporate shananigans and maybe some of them or more of them from what i am seeing will just refuse to spend another cent on Bioware products.Speaking for me i have cancelled my SWTOR subscription and will not purchase the last 2 pieces of DLC i missed Overlord/Kasumi.For future products i guess it's clear where i stand on that along with anything else that has an EA disgusting stamp of approval on it.I hope you will give your costumers what they deserve and should have gotten in the first place without making them sick in the process because the SAD part is that they respect and maybe "love"? you.I know i did.For the last 9 years i have grown to admire and respect both Dr. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk more than anyone else in the business(Even more than Blizzard,that should tell you something).But not one! more dollar/euro further.I hope it was worth it and you'll achieve your goal of buying a bigger...boat? Have a good day...

I understand the frustration, but I fail to see how this attidude is constructive. Have you read the open letter?
Than you should now better.
I respect Bioware, even if I don't like the ending. The fact that they take it to heart and react, proofs they care about the fanbase.

Does Lucas write open letters to disgruntled Star Wars fans?

[orangesonic]

Shevar wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

From a business point of view what you're trying and probably will...accomplish is amazing.You will probably set a precedent on squeezing the costumer or bleeding him or her dry.EA's sticky little fingers pop-up everywhere on this ending + the further DLC closure/whatnot(Which will come with a steep price don't worry about that).Bold move from a bunch of Canadians who are generally considered.."Those nice people.."This is what will happen with a huge number of your "Fan Base".Eventually they will just like myself GET TIRED,DISGUSTED and BORED with all this little corporate shananigans and maybe some of them or more of them from what i am seeing will just refuse to spend another cent on Bioware products.Speaking for me i have cancelled my SWTOR subscription and will not purchase the last 2 pieces of DLC i missed Overlord/Kasumi.For future products i guess it's clear where i stand on that along with anything else that has an EA disgusting stamp of approval on it.I hope you will give your costumers what they deserve and should have gotten in the first place without making them sick in the process because the SAD part is that they respect and maybe "love"? you.I know i did.For the last 9 years i have grown to admire and respect both Dr. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk more than anyone else in the business(Even more than Blizzard,that should tell you something).But not one! more dollar/euro further.I hope it was worth it and you'll achieve your goal of buying a bigger...boat? Have a good day...

I understand the frustration, but I fail to see how this attidude is constructive. Have you read the open letter?
Than you should now better.
I respect Bioware, even if I don't like the ending. The fact that they take it to heart and react, proofs they care about the fanbase.

Does Lucas write open letters to disgruntled Star Wars fans?

yeah Shevar, thats exactly what no one seems to understand

[SalsaDMA]

orangesonic wrote...

Shevar wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

From a business point of view what you're trying and probably will...accomplish is amazing.You will probably set a precedent on squeezing the costumer or bleeding him or her dry.EA's sticky little fingers pop-up everywhere on this ending + the further DLC closure/whatnot(Which will come with a steep price don't worry about that).Bold move from a bunch of Canadians who are generally considered.."Those nice people.."This is what will happen with a huge number of your "Fan Base".Eventually they will just like myself GET TIRED,DISGUSTED and BORED with all this little corporate shananigans and maybe some of them or more of them from what i am seeing will just refuse to spend another cent on Bioware products.Speaking for me i have cancelled my SWTOR subscription and will not purchase the last 2 pieces of DLC i missed Overlord/Kasumi.For future products i guess it's clear where i stand on that along with anything else that has an EA disgusting stamp of approval on it.I hope you will give your costumers what they deserve and should have gotten in the first place without making them sick in the process because the SAD part is that they respect and maybe "love"? you.I know i did.For the last 9 years i have grown to admire and respect both Dr. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk more than anyone else in the business(Even more than Blizzard,that should tell you something).But not one! more dollar/euro further.I hope it was worth it and you'll achieve your goal of buying a bigger...boat? Have a good day...

I understand the frustration, but I fail to see how this attidude is constructive. Have you read the open letter?
Than you should now better.
I respect Bioware, even if I don't like the ending. The fact that they take it to heart and react, proofs they care about the fanbase.

Does Lucas write open letters to disgruntled Star Wars fans?

yeah Shevar, thats exactly what no one seems to understand

Lucas hardly felt threatened on his money bag the same way that EA/Bioware are doing so right now.

Not doing anything would mean their future planned releases would be way under budget in returns compared to planned, which in big companies like EA means feeling breath of the sharp edge of the axe in near your neck.

They need to recoup some of the projected lost sales of DLC (as well as current lost sales due to refunds by angered customers or a quicker development on the used games market than they had anticipated ).

[leatherwreck]

First it was the face importing issue. None of the features on my Shep were available, so I went with default. Then came the surprise that you really couldn't get what you needed from a solo playthrough,so that kind of put a damper on things....Then the ending, I thought there was supposed to be something like 16 different endings, not 3 very similar endings. After having spent countless hours crafting my character to the way I wanted, making decisions based on the idea that they would really help my endgame, nothing. To get the ending I want, I'm just going to go read the Inheritance Trilogy by Ian Douglas
http://www.amazon.co...k/dp/0061238589

[spacehamsterZH]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Lucas hardly felt threatened on his money bag the same way that EA/Bioware are doing so right now.

Not doing anything would mean their future planned releases would be way under budget in returns compared to planned, which in big companies like EA means feeling breath of the sharp edge of the axe in near your neck.

They need to recoup some of the projected lost sales of DLC (as well as current lost sales due to refunds by angered customers or a quicker development on the used games market than they had anticipated ).

I'll believe that when I see some actual proof that this threatens BW/EA financially. There was a lot of complaining about ME2 here as well, people saying they were done with Bioware, never buying another game, etc. That didn't sink Bioware either. After DA2, everyone said they were done with Bioware. Didn't sink them either. And if you went to some soulless EA marketing exec and told him about the Take Back movement, he'd probably say, great, everyone's talking about the game, free publicity.

The difference this time is that there's one relatively isolated aspect of the game that many people have a problem with. You couldn't get enough people to band together over any of the numerous complaints about ME2 because some people hated one thing, others another. But I still don't think the people who pull the strings financially are seriously concerned aobut 40,000 people clicking a like button on Facebook. This is the creative staff genuinely shocked that something they thought was a good idea is almost universally hated.

[ZombifiedJake]

If the fans/customers are listened to (within reason), this can all be resolved. The ending sucked, no dispute about that.

Amazing series - I'd go through it again - but I'll stop playing 10 minutes before I reach the "end".

And that message from the co-founder seemed really transparent. He didn't need to throw the part about the good reviews in. We know it's a really good game, up until a point.

[Diegoa01]

I played and finished Mass Effect 3 and I have enjoyed playing it. I put alot of time and effort building up my EMS while playing Mass Effect 3 and doing all the side missions etc. and I am happy with the outcome

Good job to the team. Keep it up

[Enichan]

I hope clarification and closure don't mean more explanation of what's happening with the ending and why we think it should be awesome, plus an epilogue for our squadmates. That'd still be pretty disappointing. Glad to see Bioware is at least taken this seriously, though!

[WarDog774]

Fix the damn endings and everything should be ok

Modifié par WarDog774, 24 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[WarDog774]

[quote]Pyewacket wrote...

[quote]WarDog774 wrote...

If not.
BIOWARE HAS DIED 4 ME!!![/quote]

Dude, take your meds.

I did.And you?