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[WarDog774]

The endings need a better closure!
nough said

[Naughty Bear]

Is this true? In the story section about the Mass Effect 3 ending app.

Is it true that a...a child literally wrote the ending?

[hakwea]

I think this blog post really goes to show that state of game design and of game critics. Its funny that in the same paragraph about stating they are listening to the dissatisfied customers the fact that a lot of game critics gave perfect scores is flaunted. And it is a little surprising that this game got so many perfect scores, as it deserves nothing but high scores.

Its a good game when taken by itself, but that isn't what ME3 can be taken as since it builds upon the games before it in both story and gameplay. In the end it should never have been given a perfect score because it doesn't matter who you save, or what you do because the endings are the same.

It is pretty funny how the "War Assets" you go around collecting are pretty much just in text only, while they should have shown up in missions. Its almost insulting to get more run around and this time from the head of EA's Bioware Division. What did he say that hasn't already been said before from other "community" addresses.

[Beti88]

We are getting sadder every day. BioWare, your fanbase is getting smaller - fast. Namecalling and vague statements are not the way to go.

Please give us something!

"Yes, we are going to add an alternate ending DLC. Thank you for being a loyal fan for a decade"
"No, there won't be an ending DLC. Now shut up, and pay us some more"

[venom56321489]

I admit I want to put the blame on EA as well but ultimately if they influenced the decision it was only because bioware allowed them. Like making a deal with the devil you know the outcome already but its your choice. And bioware made it.

[Beta-Breech]

I think the vagueness is the killer here. Give us a solid bit of info about what you're actually going to do please? It'd be nice to have a bit more piece of mind about what's happening other than "we're working on some DLC".

[Eversor_Asassin]

When I just finished the first playthrough of the game - my reaction was kinda "WTF I just had seen....". It looked SO stupid that I couldn't even believe in this. As example ME1 and ME2 were completed many times each by me, but after endings of me3, I couldn't make 2nd playtrough, simply as that. Later after seeing on youtube indoctrination theory all "stupidness" simply dissappeared, and allowed to see game from other, much MUCH brighter side. I pretty sure that all that rage was from gamers, which felt game same as me after 1st playthroug. They were(as me) not able to crack such strong final piece by piece, which followed mass RAGE with petitions etc. Have to admit, now I'm unsure about bioware actions. They have to explain people final, not remake it, like comics style intro for me2. Sure dlc text after finishing the game in such form is pretty devastating, but c'mon, bioware, try to seek another way to please raged fans.
p.s.: sorry for crappy english
p.p.s.: 2nd playthrough and excelent game

[venom56321489]

Yeah I only completed one playthrough. Just no desire to play another one, first ME title I only played once (CONGRATULATIONS BIOWARE). And in regards to DA, bioware has said they are not putting out anymore dlc for DA2 so they can work(CONCENTRATE) on DA3. Will that make a difference they held mass effect 3 back from december to march and what did that do nothing! They have lost so much respect and fans. And the vagueness of responses, and people they keep throwing out for pr is just making it worse. People are not getting over the ending BUT PEOPLE ARE GETTING OVER BIOWARE. In april I will be trying witcher 2 they say it has a great story. So time to rise from the ashes with a new title new characters, new developer.

[Aftershox]

I personally liked the ending, would have been nice to have a bit more information about what happened after but the actually narative of the ending was fine in my humble opinion. If it's changed I hope the core of it stays the same.

[merttol]

Herr Igor wrote...

There is ONLY IN THING TO DO and it is a very simple one: NEVER BUY BIOWARE/EA MATERIAL AGAIN.

It's not like we NEEDED to buy those games in the first place... I mean, come on. We did it because we wanted to support both the company and the titles.

Now if they only care about money - and it is a fact, they only care about money! - there's nothing else to discuss. Nothing will change for us, but we can make it change quite a bit for them.

And until they get hit exactly there in the 'vault' things will never change.

Everybody loves to talk about how the "customer is always right" and has a lot of rights. And that's fine. But then comes the time to stop talking about it and take a real stand. Let the smaller numbers do the talking for you.

By the way, they will not change the ending precisely because they REALLY think people are stupid enough to buy any DLC if they just label it as "closure DLC".

Make no mistake! This "PR promised" DLC has no relation to the fan reaction regarding the ending. None whatsoever, this next DLC was planned from the very beginning. They're just using it to buy some time, trusting the dust will settle (as has already started to happen).

"New content DLC: this time you will watch all extra colors of the rainbow! US$ 10,00"

Upcoming DLC will feature more colors. Colorblind people ****ed up.

[suvius]

Well, if u want feedback i got some. it may just be me, but a have more issues with the game than just the endings. there was a decent amount of disappointment that lead up to and rolled into the end.

i feel in many ways that most of the things i did throught the first games were reduced to a checklist of what forces i had at my disposal. ie either i did things "right" and had two factions settled differences, or i didnt and im out one.

i feel like although the overall graphics have gotten better, the expression in faces was dull at best, which is one of the things i appreciated before. "oh no, worlds are ending!" ::blank face::

i feel like the BW answer to the great mako/hammerhead debate was "meh u get have either." no further explanation needed.

one of my biggest issues, i felt jipped that none of my choices affected my party in the third game. i mean i get that people had stuff to do n forces to lead on our galactic readiness chart after we run into them once, but we've put years into this series too, n wreave can lead the troops while wrex comes with me damn it! let some other person step up i want my love interest on my team. why couldn't garrus become a spectre? u were kinda leading to a decision that never went anywhere with leaning him par or ren?

i dont know about anyone else but i was hoping our party would be shaped by past action and choices in this one possibly by our class. i hoped to meet at least one other spectre now that the council cant deny the reaper threat. i hoped we wouldn't get streamlined into a team the size of my hand that is the same whether i played like hero or a pirate, whether i did personal quests, whether i killed mother or daughter.

sidenote: why in the hell did we not get to see an elcor with a gun mounted on his back if ur gonna go as far as to mention it in game? u hate me dont u ray?

but anyways as a series we've been able to call the plays, live in our own shepards distinct world and head. the third game threw it all away, it wasn't just the endings, but it did help result in them. it was a fundimental mood shift from the gameplan of the series. the results should be diverse, yet no matter who your shepard was, their story ends with the same course of action n a three way choice of ending cinematic. our choices meant nothing.

maybe it can be fixed with dlc. maybe our shepard gathered fleets to fight reapers with fleets, just saying. maybe our shepard wants to replace TIM and add cerberus forces to our list of resources. maybe our past decisions alter whether a certain large piece of technology is an easy button, a weapon technology equal to the reapers lasers or a way to way to revive species lost in previous cycles once the reaper threat is eliminated already. maybe we get a little more say in who comes with us this time. 

sorry this was so long. i love the series, even love this game despite it greatly falling through on alot of what i epected to see from the team. BW if u truely want to make good to the die hard fans i hope u take in to accounts this broader aspect of what you lost. u said all along that our choices shaped our experience,  u gave us a funnelled conclussion that treated everthing before it as a stat on a chart and all the branching we worked on was hacked off into that streamline.

[Murdock 4000]

Am I the only one getting the feeling that Bioware thinks we dont like the ending is because *spoiler*                                    Shepard dies? He says something like "Don't worry you're adventures can, and will, continue." If thats the case I really don't think they understand the problem . . . I WANT MASS EFFECT TO BE OVER, NOT CONTINUED. GIVE US THE ENDING TO THE WHOLE SERIES WITH SHEPARD'S DECISIONS EFFECTING THE GALAXY TO THE POINT WHERE               THERE CANNOT BE A SEQUEL! please.

Modifié par Murdock 4000, 24 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[Vulcan101]

List of problems to fix

1 what happend to the trial? Was this not meant to set the scene by exploring and indeed putting Shepard on trial for all the actions he took in me2.
2 face import. Should have been right day one.
3 journal system ( compare with me2 which is much better)
4 lots of bugs to scrub off.
5 not enough areas to explore.
6 we need some kind of additional end content modelled on me2 which connects player choices vis characters and assets in a final battle. People should die or not depending on what you have done. These sequences need not be long, in fact it only requires a few seconds of scenes to show not Tell what happend. Best example would be showing Jack's squad or Wrex in the final battle.
7 A Normandy showdown with Harbinger
8 the explanation for the reapers is illogical and silly. Surely there are better ideas? Why not go back to sovereign or harbinger and have them act simply for carrying out the purpose of evoultion ie they select who is reaped, they reap because they are simply killing of the competition ala natural selection.
9 what about the political social consequences of the galaxy? These things matter to people invested in the story and the world.
10 a unique epilogue that matches your choices and explains the long term consequences of your choices, something like fallout.

[Vulcan101]

A final one

Shepard needs a squadmate who questions and doubts Shepard, whatever you do they act like contrarians. All the current squadmate ( I did like the Kaidan doubts plot line but he was too wimpy) always butter Shepard up. More conflict among the squadmates that you can choose to resolve.

And I cannot stress this enough! More difficult moral choices, I was led to believe this game required you to make sometimes ambiguous choices ( they are there) but there could be more, ie blowing up a city to stop harvesting but killing innocents to save a military asset, or saying some civilians but losing the asset. Then the consequences should be explored and commented on by crew and in game media.

[evil-pineapples]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Is this true? In the story section about the Mass Effect 3 ending app.

Is it true that a...a child literally wrote the ending?

WHAT

Please elaborate. I almost can't believe this.

[aries1001]

Kerome in a comment at Eurogamer article, writes: about the endings: I know this is no spoilers forum but people seem to know anything and everything anyway, this being the internet and all, so here goes:

Paragon - the Illusive Man was right, and you spent half the game fighting him, only to take control now and go against every principle of free will you've stood for; also the most out of character for the AI to allow, why would an ancient all-knowing Thing even give you this option?

Synthesis - Saren from ME1, another major villain, was right, and you spent an entire game fighting him, plus you're imposing technical implants on half the galaxy, which most of the game tells you is an evil thing to do (cf. the husks, human reaper, and so on)

Renegade - you destroy the Reapers but also commit genocide on the Geth and kill EDI, plus you are affected yourself, and as you only have some implants, who knows where the effect may stop; you might set technology back a long way.

Link to the article:
http://www.eurogamer...-you-didnt-play ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://www.eurogamer...-you-didnt-play

Reading the above really helped med to understand where the people who says the ending doesn't make sense are coming from, apparently at least two out of three options will have you turn your back on everything you've worked and fought in the game, not cool Bioware. And why is this not cool. Because the player had no way of knowing this before playing ME3, likewise the player had nowhere to go to read up about that in order to get a specifik choices made in ME1 and ME2 also mattered for the end game in ME3. This is the problems with games as a trilogy and having an option to import your savegames throughout the trilogy. This is alsol I think the problem when you start a series in 2007 and finish it 4½-5 years later in 2012. Another thing seems to be that back in the day wouldn't be afraid to push a release 3-4 or 6 months or more, if the product got better. As an example, DA:O's original release date was I, I think? february 2009 or so? The release date got pushed back nearly 10 months, (or forward if you want to look it from that angle) to november 2009, and Bioware and EA got a better product out of it in the end. It also showed in the fan critique and in the reviewers critique of the game, very high marks there. It seems to me that Bioware maybe thinks? (or EA does?) that the brand name Bioware will get anyone to buy a Bioware game. Not so, I can tell you. Maybe 5-10 years ago where the competion was as fierce as it is today, but then again, maybe not.

Bacc to why the above, having choices in the endgame that unravels all Shepard has worked and fought for during the last two games are a bad idea. First, as said, the players did not know about this beforehand and thus, rightly so, felt and feel a bit (or a lot) cheated. It is like their actions throughout the two games did not matter at all. Also, Bioware made promises - even close to release and after release - that certain actions would result in choices and consequences, but never explained what these choices were or how these consequences would affect the game. Well, maybe in some minor ways, but they didn't mention that you got to make a choice, three choices in the end. They could have done so, I feel.

A note on what Kerome's comment at Eurogamer mentions: It seems to me that there are no foreshadowing of this in the two first gamers, ME1 and ME2, well maybe the see Illusive could be as a such as foreshadowing as to what he means should happen, Saren, maybe as well. However, from what I understand from Kerome's comments, both ME1 as well as ME2 don't exactly make it so that the present neither Sarens nor the Illusive Man's actions as desirable pathways to follow. Yet, they are - at least in the ending. A better bridging of this between the games could maybe set people's mind at rest or at least some sort of explanation as to why these actions suggested by these people are desirable.

If Bioware wanted to maybe let people think for themselves that maybe Saren or The Illusive Man were correct and right all along, and let this reflect in the choices all along, my opinion, based on what I've read, heard or seen (on youtube) that this was an - ehm - not so good presentation and design of that idea. Simply, because during the games it seems like these choices are not viable nor correct.

And I still think that adding the ghost in the machine at the end introduces an overtone that is religious in aspect, and maybe also introduces ever so slightly the notion and the idea of a universel AI that acts as as a creator or destroyer of universes, in essense like a god. Note, I'm not saying that it is God, just that it acts like one, being creator and destroyer of universes. This sort of thing, I thought, and still think, don't belong in the ME universe, especially since Drew K's first book sort of writes a Creator god ouf of the universe - and now the ME3 invents one again. To me, this doesn't make sense. I see myself as spiritual and religous man as well; however, I can also spot when something isn't inherintly consistents and goes against the game's inner workings.

As I watched the ending on youtube, I thought to myself, someone had either seen a) I, Robot recently or seen all of the three terminator movies + the matrix or c) seen Kubricks/Spielbergs movie, Artificial Intelligence. or d) all of the above.

Modifié par aries1001, 24 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Motherlander]

Ray Muzyka said that their first instincts was to defend the ending and point the positive reviews.

I can understand this attitude. When I first started to read the complaints about the ending, i wanted to believe that it was all a mistake or the complaints of a few isolated fans who didn't like the ending for their own unjustified reasons. My first instinct was to defend Bioware as well.

But on seeing the endings myself, I believe that many of the complaints are justified. I personally have been a loyal fan. i have played through ME1 and ME2 several times and have all the DLC. So it saddens me to say that I was dissappointed in the ending and it makes me indifferent to playing ME again.

The good reviews mean very little when it comes to the ending. I would assume that the reviewers only played the game once and concentrated on the gameplay during the first 99% of the game which was very good.

There is a chance that reviewers may have not noticed the poor ending for one or more of the following reasons:
1) They didn't actually finish the game. I am sure this happens sometimes.

2) They are not real ME fans and so the ending didn't mean much to them.

3) The finished the game, thought the ending was not great, but did not let it affect their review on the assumption that there may well be a better ending. I read a follow up article from a reviewer who said that he finished the game under 23 hours and Earth got destroyed. He said he just accepted the ending as it was and may have assumed that if he has collected more war assets, the ending would have been better.

4) For whatever reason, they did not think that the ending was that important in giving reviews. For most games, the ending is not that important as the gameplay is more important than the story and characters.

5) They were writing the review from the point of view of ME virgin, for whom the ending is proably not that important. I noted that many reviews were from people who did not download ME2 characters and were thus really reviewing on behalf of people who may not have played ME before.

6) They were very tired after a long session and didn't concentrate much on the ending because they weren't focused and may have assumed there were no plot holes because they just missed them or their mind wanders. Please also see no.2 above on not being true ME fans.

7) They genuinly liked the ending. This is of course a possibility.

So as you can see, i can come up with many good explanations for why the reviews are good based on general gameplay, but were not adjusted for the poor ending.

Modifié par Motherlander, 24 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[ile_1979]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's official. Looks like Shepard is still going to puss out at the last minute, no matter what.



Your customer base is giving you one last chance to fix this, Bioware, and you're blowing it.

If you don't do this right, it's over. It's done. You've already taught me not to trust pre-orders, Bioware. Now you're teaching me not to trust you. If alienating half of your customer base was part of your "vision," that's fine. You'll get to eat the consequences in the form of loss of future sales. I would have bought mission DLC for ME3, had we been provided with a destination worth reaching - just as I did for ME2, but it looks like that's not part of your plan. You can keep your "art." I'll be keeping my money in the future. I won't pay for pre-ending DLC which serves only to make the walk off the end of the cliff slightly longer.

A pleasure doing business with you.

So it came to pass then, all good things must come to an end. Not even a paerticulary good one. I'll be skipping on ME in the future too. Probably on other things too.

[Pyewacket]

[quote]WarDog774 wrote...

[quote]Pyewacket wrote...

[quote]WarDog774 wrote...

If not.
BIOWARE HAS DIED 4 ME!!![/quote]

Dude, take your meds.

I did.And you?[/quote]

Hey!  That's better.  See?  Stick with your quaaludes, and everything's gonna be alright.

[Bob3terd]

The ending was not art, its full of so many errors and fallacys that i just cant take it as "art" im sorry. Even if it where it does not mean its above critisim constructive or otherwise.

If some one makes a valid point it matters little how they deliver or phrase it, the point is still valid. Integrity means more than sticking to your guns it also means admiting to your mistakes and correcting them. You compramise your own artistic integrity by letting this level of writing into your game in the first place, and then again by leaving it in there.

[ile_1979]

It's not like they care or it matters. Even if all the "more passionate" (as they call us) fans vanished from the face of the earth, i'm sure there will be million of shooter fans to replace us (no sarcasm at all), and all the shooters will need is extra mulitplayer content.

[Beta-Breech]

Okay this just made my day:





It's redeemed all the awkward/bad dialog and made things bearable.

[aries1001]

Maybe someone needs to point to the newest statistics for gamers? The average gamer is now 37 or 38 years old, has kids, and a wife, who, incidentally also play gamers, even games like ME3, from time to time. And let's face it: making a game that has mass appeal is only possible if you water down some things and maybe pander to -ehm- certain - ehm people. However, most guys between 18-25 don't play a game like ME3, I'd say, there are other games out there. Bioware games are sold on merits and word of mouth from the success of their previous games.

[Rache123]

On a slightly unrelated topic, after realising I didn't have enough points for the ahem "good" ending, I tried multiplayer for the first time in my life .........my humiliation is now complete. Is it worth using the ios app? or just say screw it and go with what I have?