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[Getorex]

Carmin_Steele wrote...




Yeah, I dunno really.. That's not much of an answer, and I wasn't aware Origin had a return policy for digital purches. I may return it, I'll have to think about it now. I don't 'want' clairification, I want a -real- ending.. it was terrible.

I complained early and after back n forth with EA customer support they allowed me to return me3 as an exchg for any other game of my choice. A digital dl. You can do it and SHOULD to display real disatisfaction. I MIGHT buy me3 again when it is only $10.

[Freckle Face]

This all makes me sad. If they had given us closure to Shepard's story, like leaving in the extended scene with Anderson, showing some sort of epilogue, giving us an ending that had more answers than questions... maybe even giving us that apparently taboo "happy ending," we would all be raving over how perfect the ME trilogy is. I think we can ALL agree that ME3 is truly a masterpiece, maybe Bioware's crowning achievement, up until the last 10 minutes.

Casey Hudson said (in The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3) that any other games will be set before the events of ME or during those events, not after. So what does it matter if you give Shepard complete closure? It shouldn't have any adverse effect on future projects... I don't understand

[mredders91]

im actually impressed by how much blagging (BS) there is in that post reguardless ive lost my faith in bioware.

[wintervale]

On the whole the post is vague enough that you can read what you want into it. He actually doesn't say anything that BioWare haven't been saying from the get go - there will be DLC.

[kkr]

I think everyone who is opposing the thought of the endings needs to take a minute and relax. I humbly ask all fans to be a little more considerate to the developers especially, Mr. Casey Hudson, for even considering fans important enough to listen to. I also have stated before on a different forum and will state now on this forum a vast majority of fans have approached the developers in the wrong way. I believed the fans should have asked the developers kindly, instead of instigating a petition to force people to edit their work on an extraordinary game series, even though many will judge this course of action as being meager and soft. I am not condemning anyone’s ideas or attempt to bring shame down upon anyone, I just believe that a compromise among the developers and fans should be civil and, to some degree, friendly. I would also like to personally thank any Bioware staff members and fans for reading the perspectives of just another simple uncomplicated fan.

[venom56321489]

All the fans got regarding endings were vague comments and bioware sticking to there decision. Unfortunately this negative feedback and petition was the only way to get their attention. I want to personally thank all the fans who voiced their opinions on how bad the endings were. I would also like to personally thank the fan who started the petition and sparked Bioware to even glance our way. Even the fan who went to the federal trade commission. All this media got the little people heard and is making a difference.

[ragnorok87]

venom56321489 wrote...

All the fans got regarding endings were vague comments and bioware sticking to there decision. Unfortunately this negative feedback and petition was the only way to get their attention. I want to personally thank all the fans who voiced their opinions on how bad the endings were. I would also like to personally thank the fan who started the petition and sparked Bioware to even glance our way. Even the fan who went to the federal trade commission. All this media got the little people heard and is making a difference.

thats right HOLD THE LINE

[Filurija]

Bioware underestimated the love fans had for the Mass Effect universe

[kkr]

As a faithful fan to bioware, and as a person who believes in the fact that mistakes and oversights are almost unavoidable on projects the scale of mass effect 3, I feel that it is crucial that i stand on both sides of the field with both the developers on one side and the fans on the other. (1) On the first side (the developers), I feel that it is in the end the developers who have the last words in the making of their creation, and that the fans should have respectfully and kindly requested additional endings instead of trying to violate a companies as well as individual free will by demanding ,with little to no respect at the behest of the fans for such a outstanding game series, they create new endings.(2) On the other side (the fans), I believe that the mass effect franchise is not a simple collaboration of games, but an individual experience for each and every gamer. For this reason, I believe that the fans are not as outraged as they seem, but confused, saddened, and believe it or not heartsick that the endings were what they were, very identical and spotted with uncertainty. The fans would love descent closure to multiple oversights in many different ways, whether it be to only correct the issue of the plot holes, insure more hope, or for those who are inclined to be stubborn and a little unrealistic (myself included) wanted an ending that had Shepard and his/her friends( including love interest) survive, go to a bar, get treated like the heroes they are and get blind drunk because of their victory over the reapers. I speak for all the fans, who will allow me to speak for them, when I say that as the fans who still respect the staff of bioware we ask bioware with all possible kindness of them to consider the idea of refined endings. Even if this ideology is not considered, I KeAaron Roberts would like to thank any bioware staff member and fan for reading the perspectives of just one simple Mass Effect fan.

[Tameyah]

Overule wrote...

Here's the problem with you guys releasing "clarifications" for the current endings: that would imply that we've been primarily stating we don't understand the endings- as opposed what we've actually been saying. Y'know, that we don't *like* the endings because they're bad and make no sense. I don't want you to try and explain to me why the bad endings are actually great, I want you to give me a good ending.

After having problems with DLoading ME1 & ME2 and dealing with laggy bugs and setbacks, that is what my worst fear is Overule...

I would rather think that "Indoctrination Theory" IS TRUE and a bad nightmare, whatever situation may be. WHY THE HELL NOT have Shepard (the default image/character) become a part of the council after all the hardwork and saving the damn galaxy. He/She can be non-selectable character an advisor like Anderson, and just recruit a new person (which would be any of your custom imported characters). I looked forward to NEW DLC addons where u can practice shooting targets with Garrus talk smack as U play, and fighting off old or new enemies. What BioWare did to me is took the fun factor of replaying ME3 ever again. 

Modifié par Tameyah, 25 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[dgjedde]

I like the rest of you have been with Shepard since the beginning and I like you hate the ending to Mass Effect 3. Where I differ is, I don’t want them to change the ending. Bioware is proud of their vague, childish, nonsensical ending and I think they should be stuck with it. Bioware should now be in the same came as Metallica, the Twilight series, and Jersey Shores. Let us be frank, if they could not foresee how bad the ending was they are incompetent, and if they did they purposely mislead us. Give those two choices are you really going to trust them do ever do anything right. Whatever they do will fail because it is still the same people who brought us this crap in the first place. And let us say that I were able to redo the ending to some satisfaction, are you just going to forget the original crapy ending? I will never forget it, I will place Bioware on the shelf of cautionary tales for game design. It was hubris that got us this crap, hubris on Bioware’s part thinking they could do no wrong. And our hubris believing that they would do know wrong. I preordered my collector’s edition a full year ago. In many ways this is my fault. Had I been smart I would have waited to see the reviews, hear what my friends think, and listen to the independent game sites. Had I done that I would not be here, I would instead be $80 richer and my Mass Effect experience left intact. What is my point to all this? Nothing is going to change. We will continue to preorder and the game companies will continue to sell us crap. The only way to change it is to stop the cycle.

One other note, Dr. Ray Muzyka, please do not insult my intelligence by comparing your ****ty Mass Effect 3 ending to how the Harry Potter books ending. First off, your ending was written by someone who should stick to writing preteen vampire erotica. Second where is the stupid god kid that pops out at the 11th hour and tells Harry, “It was me controlling Voldemort all along and if not for me Wizards would destroy all the muggles blah blah blah carp!”. Oh wait that’s right, that didn’t happen because JK Rowling can write.

[ParagonGreg]

I personally do not believe any clarification or change to the ending is coming. I think this is a good way to divert bad press, but nothing will come from it.

[liamrigg]

Great to hear Bioware is listening.
I'm not going to have a melt down, or carry on like a child, as I feel this kind of behavior is counterproductive.

What I will say is that I am desperately disappointed in the format of the ending (not having a choice, when the whole trilogy is built on choice). I am a dedicated gamer, my disposable income goes towards games and gaming paraphernalia. I have never bought second hand, never traded, never pirated... I believe that efforts of the game publishing companies and their staff should be rewarded by my paying for the product as a true consumer.

However, the lack of respect shown by Bioware in the releasing of ME3 without an appropriate ending is a slap in the face for dedicated fans.

I will not spend any more money on Bioware products until this is appropriately addressed. That's all I wanted to say.

[Romantiq]

ParagonGreg wrote...

I personally do not believe any clarification or change to the ending is coming. I think this is a good way to divert bad press, but nothing will come from it.

Exactly. If anything is coming it'll just be another lie offered as an "in-depth" explanation into the ending in form of a purchasable content. It's so broken it makes it unsalvageble imo.

[ragnorok87]

if anything is comming tis just more coloured explosions

[Shevar]

I see a lot of hate towards Bioware, concerning the Twitter post. But please people, don't jump to conclusions just yet. Let's take the more serine "wait and see" approach.
A lot of people are flaming Bioware for stuff that even isn't released.

If you don't like the ending (like me), I understand the frustration. It's something many people experienced it, or will experience it, and you can either like it or not.
But complaining about a tweet, about something we know nothing about, where no announcement in terms of content has been made (I don't find the tweet indulges into the content of the ending DLC) and that even isn't released is far from productive to say the least.

I think we should all just calm down, I just started a brand new character in Mass Effect 1 to get my good ME vibe back, and just wait and see what happens.
How disappointed I was with the ending, in the end.... it's just a game. Even if it's a truly masterpiece of an immerse fantastic emotional engaging game.

[Hexxer1]

dgjedde wrote...

I like the rest of you have been with Shepard since the beginning and I like you hate the ending to Mass Effect 3. Where I differ is, I don’t want them to change the ending. Bioware is proud of their vague, childish, nonsensical ending and I think they should be stuck with it. Bioware should now be in the same came as Metallica, the Twilight series, and Jersey Shores. Let us be frank, if they could not foresee how bad the ending was they are incompetent, and if they did they purposely mislead us. Give those two choices are you really going to trust them do ever do anything right. Whatever they do will fail because it is still the same people who brought us this crap in the first place. And let us say that I were able to redo the ending to some satisfaction, are you just going to forget the original crapy ending? I will never forget it, I will place Bioware on the shelf of cautionary tales for game design. It was hubris that got us this crap, hubris on Bioware’s part thinking they could do no wrong. And our hubris believing that they would do know wrong. I preordered my collector’s edition a full year ago. In many ways this is my fault. Had I been smart I would have waited to see the reviews, hear what my friends think, and listen to the independent game sites. Had I done that I would not be here, I would instead be $80 richer and my Mass Effect experience left intact. What is my point to all this? Nothing is going to change. We will continue to preorder and the game companies will continue to sell us crap. The only way to change it is to stop the cycle.

One other note, Dr. Ray Muzyka, please do not insult my intelligence by comparing your ****ty Mass Effect 3 ending to how the Harry Potter books ending. First off, your ending was written by someone who should stick to writing preteen vampire erotica. Second where is the stupid god kid that pops out at the 11th hour and tells Harry, “It was me controlling Voldemort all along and if not for me Wizards would destroy all the muggles blah blah blah carp!”. Oh wait that’s right, that didn’t happen because JK Rowling can write.

QFT

[Calibisto]

First, I am not complaining about the ending. I haven't gotten there, getting caught up in the multiplayer game.
(Something I didn't expect wen they announced it, so I am glad they proven me wrong on that part.)

My thoughts about dr. Ray Muzyka's blog however, is that it feels wrong.
He says games are art, and I disagree. They used to be art.
Like books, paintings, movies and music, one could say videogames are art.
But unlike those mentioned, thanks to Online passes, I cannot borrow/give/sell my game to someone else and expect them to have the same experience I have.

I do understand why there are Online passes, companies need to make money. But implementing them, made games a 'tailored' commodity to a customer. And those customers cannot say: "This art is not what I expected, I give it to someone who might appreciate it better". I don't know what games are, but don't try to milk every penny out of it, and then claim 'art' when people complain about the product.

I didn't intend this to be a rant against online passes. Just saying why I feel dr. Ray Muzyka's blog feels wrong.
Honestly, before this I never really had an opinion about online passes. Now I feel that if the gaming industry insists on using them, they lost the right to claim games as an art form.
(Which saddens me, as games are inspirational)

Modifié par Calibisto, 25 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[Beta-Breech]

That's actually a very good point. Art is something that can be shared to the masses. Imagine if you had to buy a pass to view true works of art. The amount of times I've lent albums and books out because I want to share the experience with others generally proves how good a piece of art is.

With this I don't want to share it. Why would I want to share disappointment and pretention with others?


Something that really bugs me though is this:   The themes through the series have focused on Shepard questioning things, doing what ever he can to save the galaxy.    It doesn't matter how you play as either a paragon or a renagage he still sticks true to this model.   

Think of it this way, if in the last few minutes of return of the jedi, if Vader had instead of killing the emperor just watched Luke die, without any ounce of regret or any thought of redemption and then again gone on to put a rebellion down,  would people of really think the series as a whole was good.  Seeing as the series has set a tone of redepmtion and attonement.  

The way you folks at Bioware have written some of this final chapter flat out ignores the statements in the past games and the very character.     I really do hope this was a ploy just to get us all talking and thinking rather then just playing and switching off, otherwise you've made a very bad miscalculation with your fan base.  

Modifié par Beta-Breech, 25 mars 2012 - 08:53 .

[Teddy Grossman]

If thats the case, thene it better be the "indoctrination theory".
If not then I will loss all hope in Bioware..... 

[Bathorite]

 We don't want your clarification... We get the endings.... They suck.

We want what we were told to expect... Varied endings that take into account our choices from the previous games.

Don't blow the do-over you currently have!

[Allan Caesar]

Bioware, thanks for ruining my birthday present with that ending. My girlfriend isn't too happy about it either. since she bought me it... and it was the collectors edition too.

[ile_1979]

Control over the character. This is what we lost in the ending/s. Even if they deny as the rights over the story, how can they deny us the rights over our choices. I bet there are quite a few Shepards that would rather die then submit to the enemy, even if the enemy was a god. Where is the suicide option then. "They may take away our lives, but they will never take away our freedooooom"!!!! I mean we make people take their own lives, but we can't take our own?

Or where is the option to face that god with its own fallacy? Many shepards out there made peace between organic and synthetic "life". Where is the option for these "idealist" to bluntly throw this fact to the self righteous god, and go Gandhi on it. Passive resistance you know?

But now, we no longer "own" the Shepard. The writers do.

[aries1001]

It seems clear to me that Bioware with DA2, SW: TOR, and now ME3 have been breaking both rpg conventions as well as fan expectations. In case of DA2, this was explained much better by especially David Gaider, the Lead Writer for DA2. And because Gaider has been with Bioware for nearly 12 years now - more -? fans et al. trust him, also like or dislike Gaider is always honest in his answers to fans. Maybe a bit heated in his comments from time to time,. but always honest.

To me, this whole ME3 debacle et al. reminds me of the ending of DA2 and the fans' reactions to that ending. Not even a week had gone by - and David Gaider then made s post saying that that open ending was not a narrative trick, it was what it was, a tested and true method of ending a game or book or a movie. And if people don't like those in games, maybe they shouldn't be buying or playing the game, then.
A lot of controversy come from this, but not at least thanks to David Gaider and his honest replys on this issue, people slowly accepted that this was how the game, DA2, ended. And yes, an open narrative meaning that ending doesn't bring closure in the traditional rpg game format where it all ends with a big party and Shepard dancing the Marigold (ooops - wrong - game....) or dance moderne like disco or charleston, my feeling is that Bioware should have said something explaining why the wanted to end the game this way.

We know - thanks to the data app - that they thought it was too video gamey to have big boss fight at the end. Well, maybe these rpg conventions exist for a reason? And if you're going to break one of these established conventions, or many or them, you'd better explain this to players and gamers before, after and during the release of the game, in this case and instance, ME3. Bioware should have said: We don't have and boss fight, instead you'll be making some choices as to what happens during the end sequence. And also this: the reason we don't have and boss fight is because we wanted to break free of the tradtional role-play game conventions for these and these reasons.

The truth is way better than the PR double speak sometimes - in this case, it would certainly be the only course of actions.

[Pallando]

aries1001 wrote...
To me, this whole ME3 debacle et al. reminds me of the ending of DA2 and the fans' reactions to that ending. Not even a week had gone by - and David Gaider then made s post saying that that open ending was not a narrative trick, it was what it was, a tested and true method of ending a game or book or a movie. And if people don't like those in games, maybe they shouldn't be buying or playing the game, then.

Well maybe they souldn't have said that this game would bring "closure" and "multiple endings depending on all your past actions" in the first place...
It's not bad to break rules and give people one last hard choice instead of a big bad boss. But what happened to all the other choices... ?
And what about plotholes... ?

Modifié par Pallando, 25 mars 2012 - 12:59 .