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[Pallando]

Oops... Double post... Sorry

Modifié par Pallando, 25 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[P00_F41RY]

Let me start by saying a congrats to the bioware team for completing the greatest trilogy of our time your hard work and patience has definitely payed off receiving so many perfect scores. Now to my rant ........ To all those so called fans you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves, bioware has created a timeless piece of art and will be remembered for years to come. Most of you guys  bagged the F*#k out of the endings, I personally loved all the ending and for it to end any differently would have not true to the mass effect universe. And bioware you have every reason to defend your work in this, don't let little douche bags get ya down, some retards can't be pleased no matter how good your game is. The Real fans stick by your work and always will ;-).

Keep up the hard work bioware some people actually appreciate what you guys are doing. long live ME3 multiplayer

And if you feel that you have to ban me I won't take offence but someone has to stand up for you :-)
Now to hunt those ****s down in multiplayer

Keela seelai

[ile_1979]

P00_F41RY wrote...

Let me start by saying a congrats to the bioware team for completing the greatest trilogy of our time your hard work and patience has definitely payed off receiving so many perfect scores. Now to my rant ........ To all those so called fans you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves, bioware has created a timeless piece of art and will be remembered for years to come. Most of you guys  bagged the F*#k out of the endings, I personally loved all the ending and for it to end any differently would have not true to the mass effect universe. And bioware you have every reason to defend your work in this, don't let little douche bags get ya down, some retards can't be pleased no matter how good your game is. The Real fans stick by your work and always will ;-).

Keep up the hard work bioware some people actually appreciate what you guys are doing. long live ME3 multiplayer

And if you feel that you have to ban me I won't take offence but someone has to stand up for you :-)
Now to hunt those ****s down in multiplayer

Keela seelai

I'm so ashamed!
How could i have been such a fool to take what they advetised for granted? Shame on me indeed....

[ShinsFortress]

P00_F41RY wrote...

Let me start by saying a congrats to the bioware team for completing the greatest trilogy of our time your hard work and patience has definitely payed off receiving so many perfect scores. Now to my rant ........ To all those so called fans you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves, bioware has created a timeless piece of art and will be remembered for years to come. Most of you guys  bagged the F*#k out of the endings, I personally loved all the ending and for it to end any differently would have not true to the mass effect universe. And bioware you have every reason to defend your work in this, don't let little douche bags get ya down, some retards can't be pleased no matter how good your game is. The Real fans stick by your work and always will ;-).

Keep up the hard work bioware some people actually appreciate what you guys are doing. long live ME3 multiplayer

And if you feel that you have to ban me I won't take offence but someone has to stand up for you :-)
Now to hunt those ****s down in multiplayer

Keela seelai

It appears many of us disagree with you.  And for some, it's simply a case of Bioware not honouring their own word, rather than specific details of the plot.  A matter of principal.

[dukiduki]

I am not sure what "closure and confirmation" is supposed to mean. If they try to fix the current ending, they will need so many changes that the end result probably will be very different. We are not talking minor plot holes here after all, the whole freaking thing makes little sense (there is a reason the google doc polthole outline is over 10 pages long). How can you fix this without changing the ending itself?

My adivce here Bioware: Take Indoctrination Theory and roll with it. It is a perfect way out, you wouldn't even have to change a thing about the current ending and could just add a new "real" ending afterwards. This way both sides would be happy, those who like the current ending (howevery rare there might be) can go with the hallucination, all others take the "real" one afterwards. You could even pretend that you planned this from the start (maybe you even had, which would have been brilliant if you had added the resolution) and there just was no time to add the big reveal.

Do yourselfs a favor, Bioware, and roll with IT, everyone will be much nicer to you afterwards, I promise.

Modifié par dukiduki, 25 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[erb]

altho i havnt even played ME3 yet i have started to pick up on this controversy and i feel like i have to ad something to this. no bashing or defending, not even an opinion on the actual ending since i havnt seen it. (may sound weird, but at least no one can call me out on being subjective then i guess oO)

first and foremost, i fully agree with an article i recently read by ken levine. that it is the writers choice how their story will end. not the fans. no matter what you think about the ending, i say that the creators who brought us the story in the first place should be allowed to have it end the way they intended.

admittedly, the comparison they bring up to illustrate this is kind of flawed. comparing an interactive videogame to a book (harry potter) in this regard does not really work. when you write a book, youre telling the story. you alone. and you are the one who decides how it will conclude. but the storytelling in a videogame like ME is by definition interactive. the writers are laying it out before you but you as a gamer take influence on how it unfolds. writers and players are telling the story together which makes it individual for everyone.

but still, this only works if its the writers who lay down the blueprint imo. the players should not get the ending that they would write for themselves entirely but rather the one that following their personal path down the roads the writers have provided turns out to be. why this limitation you might ask. because i truly think it does not work any other way. interactive storytelling is great but only so long as it has its boundries. if you want the story to be exactly the way you want it then why even bother getting into what other people have throught up? you could just as well sit in your chair imagining your own space adventure and save some money along the way. no thats not how it should be. in fact i believe that even if bioware now went to add however many endings that the fans wish for now they still wouldnt be satisfied with the outcome.

part of the reason for this is that the conclusion to a large story arc can barely ever be truly satisfying. whenever you truly get emotionally involved with a story and its characters something isnide you doesnt want it to end at all. that is only natural. you will always be unhappy just because it does end, no matter which way. its not a coincidence that alot of times authors of episodes within larger stoy arcs will try to leave endings as open as possible for as long as they can. and sometimes the real conclusion doesnt get tackled for a very long time (if at all) because the writers know it is a near impossible task to get all the leads together in the end to form only a halfway satisfying ending. maybe because in the case of ME most things were already thought out very early and even before they really knew how much of a response they would get for the franchise that we were even given a conclusion in such a timely manner.

but either way, just for the fun of it could you all just try to imagine a conclusion to a larger storybased series that you really found satisfying? just right off the top of your head? i dont think i could list too many. and its not like people at bioware dont know how to do it. i always thought the ending for the baldurs gate series to be one of the better attempts for example. far from perfect but again when is it ever 100% what you had hoped for?

so in short, i wouldnt want to see them completely revamping the ending to what the players are asking. as i said i think its the creator who should decide how the story ends (the player may only influence the outcome to some degree). even if i do play it some day and do find the ending to be exceptionally unsatisfying (as it appears most people do) then thats just what it is. if they dont want their story to end the stereotypical happy-ending way then the players should not have that imo.

so much for the ending as a stand alone topic of controversy. now the other things people seem to be uspet about are a different issue. as for what ive gathered, it appears that the player now finds alot of those "big choices" that he/she made along the way barely have any impact on the outcome of the last 20 minutes or so. i do expect that to be extremely frustrating, if the case. and that is critique that the people at bioware will have to put up with since they were always quick to point out at every possible chance that these decisions were supposed to have major impact on the grand finale. thats the key driving factor for this concept of storytelling. also plotholes are never easy to overlook, especially towards the finale. thats an area where they could really do some reparation if its really as bad as people say.

so bottom line.. what should they do? i dont think they should just change the ending to what people want. the game should end the way the writers intended it to. if they now go on to deliver player-written endings that wouldnt do any good in the long run imo. not for this isolated case and also not for future games to come. in a worst case scenario this could turn into some sort of precedent for the future where everytime players dont like something about a story force the writers to just change everything in order to cater to their preference. i dont see any good coming out of that.
besides anything they add now will come in the form of dlc or any other way with additional cost. something that i strongly dislike anyway (altho im afraid we are long past the point where we could actually do something about that particular thing :/).
id rather see some additions that fill in plotholes along the way and/or actually give players what has been advertised all along - seeing direct influence on the story depending on the decisions youve made in the past. if the retail version is lacking in that department, then i do believe the communities complaints are justified and bioware should act accordingly.

Modifié par erb, 25 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[ile_1979]

yeah, about half of the "greatest fans ever" that support the ending have joined the forums in the last several days

[Michel1986]

P00_F41RY wrote...

Let me start by saying a congrats to the bioware team for completing the greatest trilogy of our time your hard work and patience has definitely payed off receiving so many perfect scores. Now to my rant ........ To all those so called fans you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves, bioware has created a timeless piece of art and will be remembered for years to come. Most of you guys  bagged the F*#k out of the endings, I personally loved all the ending and for it to end any differently would have not true to the mass effect universe. And bioware you have every reason to defend your work in this, don't let little douche bags get ya down, some retards can't be pleased no matter how good your game is. The Real fans stick by your work and always will ;-).

Keep up the hard work bioware some people actually appreciate what you guys are doing. long live ME3 multiplayer

And if you feel that you have to ban me I won't take offence but someone has to stand up for you :-)
Now to hunt those ****s down in multiplayer

Keela seelai

Idiot, are you a Bioware employee hidden ??? **** you dude this game sucks at the end and people may complain about it if they want. They spend alot of money on it and if they dont like it you can write/post/tell it.

People like you are killing games because you retards keep their mouth shut if the game is sucking so developers get away with it that easy.

- Ending sucked
- DLC system sucks
- Lack of choices in game
- Journal sucked
- Side missions where boring
- Soundtracks sucked hard, i really missed Jack Wall
- Multiplayer needed to get the best ending in Singleplayer <-- Now this sucked even more.

In other words the game was ****, Mass Effect 2 was the best one they created in the ME series.

Modifié par Michel1986, 25 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Wynteryth]

 I just read the "replies" by Dr. Muzyka and Casey Hudson and I have to say that I find them to be disingenuous.  I'm sorry, I don't see how anyone can take PRIDE in the ending that was provided to the fans.  The ending was an absolute disgrace and an insult to the fans.  As so many people pointed out, there were HUGE plot holes and inconsistencies in the ending.  It’s insulting to say there were multiple endings when it's the exact same ending in any of the choices you make.  WOW, you changed the color of the exploding mass relays.. should we be impressed? 

The idea that only a bittersweet ending would guarantee not to "betray the agonizing decisions that Shephard had to make along the way" has got to be one of the biggest lines of BS I have ever heard.  Giving only ONE ending betrays all the agonizing decisions that Shephard had to make more than anything else.  It made all the decisions
moot.  

You wanted to give the players an "inspiring and upligting ending?"  Which one was that?  The one where the
Normandy crashes on some unknown jungle planet as all the Mass relays explode?  Or the one where the Normandy crashes on some unknown jungle planet as all the Mass relays explode?  Seriously.  There was nothing "uplifting" about a convergence of man and machine.  

The idea that fans are upset with the ending because "they need more time to say goodbye to their stories" is
another slap in the face and an insult to the fans. It’s an insult because it comes across that the fans are some half-witted clingy teenybobbers who you expect to follow your words blindly.  The reality is that your fans are extremely intelligent, committed gamers who have supported this franchise diligently.  Fans don't need more time to say goodbye to their stories.  They need endings that make sense.  That aren't wildly inconsistent with the 60-90 hours worth of game(s) they just went through. 

One of the biggest inconsistencies is how all your crew ended up on the Normandy when the Normandy hqad previously been engaged in a huge space battle.  Did Joker run away just to go pick them up? Sure sounds like something the best space pilot in the galaxy would do.. NOT.

Another inconsistency is the results of the Mass Relays blowing up.  It was already established in ME2 that blowing one up wipes out the ENTIRE system.  Yet, in the ending, ALL of them blow up no matter what you do? How is that inspiring and uplifting, knowing you just wiped out tens of trillions of lives? 

Now, for a second, lets assume that the Mass Relays didn’t destroy every living being. What is going to
happen to the hundred of thousands or maybe even millions of aliens stuck above Earth? They have no way to return to their own planets that are thousands and millions of light years away.  Are they going to settle on Earth even though it’s not really a good place for them?  What about the Volus, Turians and Quarians?  What will they do for food since their digestive systems can’t handle human food?

Those three items, alone, destroy the “artistic integrity of the game” that was provided to the fans.  For the people on the Mass Effect team and in Bioware to be surprised by the “passionate reaction of some of your most loyal playes” tells me one of two thing.  Either the people on the Mass Effect team are out of touch with the fans
or that the team believes that the fans are mindless lemmings who you expect to to be able to shovel $79 worth of garbage to and they’ll say “Thank you. Can we have some more.”  In either case, it’s clear that the issues are with the Mass Effect team, not with the fans. 

I truly hope that you are listening and that a NON-PR response is given to the fans.. 

Modifié par Wynteryth, 25 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Wynteryth]

matchboxmatt wrote...

Kersca wrote...

You lose any claim to artistic integrity when the final thing we see in the game is an ad for DLC.

I disagree. Without that message, most people would be completely done with the game. With a nihilist ending, most people would assume Mass Effect is completely over and retire the game. Saying that DLC will be made available implies that although the story can be finished, mid-game content will still be provided.

Who would want to buy mid-game content that would have no effect on the outcome of the game?  

[Sn4kE4ten]

Honestly, I can settle for an ending that makes sense and provides a decent amount of closure.
Anything more than that is just asking for too much. Who is saying our choices don't matter? They could affect a future game in the series for all we know right now. After all, they did say "Hold on to your ME3 saves". Probably gonna get flamed for playing the devil's advocate, but whatever.

[Getorex]

Wynteryth wrote...

matchboxmatt wrote...

Kersca wrote...

You lose any claim to artistic integrity when the final thing we see in the game is an ad for DLC.

I disagree. Without that message, most people would be completely done with the game. With a nihilist ending, most people would assume Mass Effect is completely over and retire the game. Saying that DLC will be made available implies that although the story can be finished, mid-game content will still be provided.

Who would want to buy mid-game content that would have no effect on the outcome of the game?  

Someone else either upthread here or in another thread indicated that Hudson said that MOST DLC content in the future would be related to multiplayer, and therefore story didn't matter that much anyway.  If that is accurate, THAT tells you all you need to know about whe ending is total crap and nonsensical (objectively nonsensical) AND why they wont change it: they don't care and, it is irrelevant to MP so...

Bioware has done two things for me in this craptacular.  They have lost ALL my trust and goodwill so that I will NEVER pre-order ever again.  In addition, I am through with even paying full price for ANY game.  I will not buy it at first release, I will wait and read USER reviews (totally ignoring "professional" reviews AND any lies that are spewed by the developer) and then buy it when it has dropped in price about 50% or more.  

[Getorex]

dukiduki wrote...

I am not sure what "closure and confirmation" is supposed to mean. If they try to fix the current ending, they will need so many changes that the end result probably will be very different. We are not talking minor plot holes here after all, the whole freaking thing makes little sense (there is a reason the google doc polthole outline is over 10 pages long). How can you fix this without changing the ending itself?

My adivce here Bioware: Take Indoctrination Theory and roll with it. It is a perfect way out, you wouldn't even have to change a thing about the current ending and could just add a new "real" ending afterwards. This way both sides would be happy, those who like the current ending (howevery rare there might be) can go with the hallucination, all others take the "real" one afterwards. You could even pretend that you planned this from the start (maybe you even had, which would have been brilliant if you had added the resolution) and there just was no time to add the big reveal.

Do yourselfs a favor, Bioware, and roll with IT, everyone will be much nicer to you afterwards, I promise.

I HATE that word 'closure' they keep vomitting out of their pieholes.  I don't want "closure" the way THEY think I want it.  THEY assume that 'closure' = death.  No it doesn't.  

Closure that I want doesn't automatically mean Shepard or any other character IS dead...it simply means a satisfactory ending to the story, happy, sad, devastating...ALL THREE AVAILABLE.  MY closure simply has the organics and their civilization saved (no Geth genocide) and the Reapers EITHER pushed off for another cycle or defeated (defeated not as good as merely put off because their reasons for what they are doing should ALWAYS remain unexplained because it is "beyond our ability to understand" like Sovereign said in ME1 AND they are simply too ancient, developed, and powerful to take down so easily).  

Closure is life goes on (including Shepard's life with his LI).  So far, that IS how my life is going...does that mean I've accomplished nothing of value because I'm still alive?  Is anyone who is still alive unaccomplished because...well, they're still alive and didn't give the "ultimate sacrifice?"  Pishposh.  Most victories are acquired wtihout the lead actors dying.  That's real life.  The ones that do get the suck end of the stick are called the "losers".

Modifié par Getorex, 25 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[Wynteryth]

Getorex wrote...

Wynteryth wrote...

matchboxmatt wrote...

Kersca wrote...

You lose any claim to artistic integrity when the final thing we see in the game is an ad for DLC.

I disagree. Without that message, most people would be completely done with the game. With a nihilist ending, most people would assume Mass Effect is completely over and retire the game. Saying that DLC will be made available implies that although the story can be finished, mid-game content will still be provided.

Who would want to buy mid-game content that would have no effect on the outcome of the game?  

Someone else either upthread here or in another thread indicated that Hudson said that MOST DLC content in the future would be related to multiplayer, and therefore story didn't matter that much anyway.  If that is accurate, THAT tells you all you need to know about whe ending is total crap and nonsensical (objectively nonsensical) AND why they wont change it: they don't care and, it is irrelevant to MP so...

Bioware has done two things for me in this craptacular.  They have lost ALL my trust and goodwill so that I will NEVER pre-order ever again.  In addition, I am through with even paying full price for ANY game.  I will not buy it at first release, I will wait and read USER reviews (totally ignoring "professional" reviews AND any lies that are spewed by the developer) and then buy it when it has dropped in price about 50% or more.  

If the DLC is going to be mostly "multi-player based" then I won't bother.  

Like you, I won't be "pre-ordering" again., though I did pre-order only about a week before hand.  I wasn't going to give then $79 to hold for a YEAR.. I was appalled that they were taking pre-orders so far back.. And, what's worse is that they had thousands of pre-orders within days.. 

[Getorex]

kkr wrote...

I think everyone who is opposing the thought of the endings needs to take a minute and relax. I humbly ask all fans to be a little more considerate to the developers especially, Mr. Casey Hudson, for even considering fans important enough to listen to. I also have stated before on a different forum and will state now on this forum a vast majority of fans have approached the developers in the wrong way. I believed the fans should have asked the developers kindly, instead of instigating a petition to force people to edit their work on an extraordinary game series, even though many will judge this course of action as being meager and soft. I am not condemning anyone’s ideas or attempt to bring shame down upon anyone, I just believe that a compromise among the developers and fans should be civil and, to some degree, friendly. I would also like to personally thank any Bioware staff members and fans for reading the perspectives of just another simple uncomplicated fan.

That you Casey?  Word of advice, for your own good.  Take a LONG vacation to let yourself recover from the OBVIOUS traumatic brain injury you suffered before you spewed the ending of ME3 out on paper.  It takes time to recover you physical and mental faculties after a TBI.  Don't go thinking you're superman or something for there are plenty of people far greater than you who actually never really recover from a TBI.  Basically, give yourself time to get the most of your marbles back that you are ever going to get and THEN see if you are up to writing birthday cards, then work up from there to coherent stories and endings.  M'kay?  

[duckley]

I think a lot of the problem is that rabid fans (myself included) wait inpatiently for the next installment, read all the hype, get all worked up  and there is no way that any company can possibly live up to our expectations because we expect absolute perfection.
Lets be somewhat thankful that the overall experience and pleasure we get from BIOWARE games is phenomenal. Thier games have soul even if they ae not always 100% perfect.
 Lets be grateful that we can at least play the game to its conclusion - unlike some games like hmmm SKYRIM.

[Getorex]

dgjedde wrote...

I like the rest of you have been with Shepard since the beginning and I like you hate the ending to Mass Effect 3. Where I differ is, I don’t want them to change the ending. Bioware is proud of their vague, childish, nonsensical ending and I think they should be stuck with it. Bioware should now be in the same came as Metallica, the Twilight series, and Jersey Shores. Let us be frank, if they could not foresee how bad the ending was they are incompetent, and if they did they purposely mislead us. Give those two choices are you really going to trust them do ever do anything right. Whatever they do will fail because it is still the same people who brought us this crap in the first place. And let us say that I were able to redo the ending to some satisfaction, are you just going to forget the original crapy ending? I will never forget it, I will place Bioware on the shelf of cautionary tales for game design. It was hubris that got us this crap, hubris on Bioware’s part thinking they could do no wrong. And our hubris believing that they would do know wrong. I preordered my collector’s edition a full year ago. In many ways this is my fault. Had I been smart I would have waited to see the reviews, hear what my friends think, and listen to the independent game sites. Had I done that I would not be here, I would instead be $80 richer and my Mass Effect experience left intact. What is my point to all this? Nothing is going to change. We will continue to preorder and the game companies will continue to sell us crap. The only way to change it is to stop the cycle.

One other note, Dr. Ray Muzyka, please do not insult my intelligence by comparing your ****ty Mass Effect 3 ending to how the Harry Potter books ending. First off, your ending was written by someone who should stick to writing preteen vampire erotica. Second where is the stupid god kid that pops out at the 11th hour and tells Harry, “It was me controlling Voldemort all along and if not for me Wizards would destroy all the muggles blah blah blah carp!”. Oh wait that’s right, that didn’t happen because JK Rowling can write.

Dude, I was thinking JK Rowling vs Casey Hudson this morning while I was fuming and painting a door.  I was thinking about how truly creative and ingenious Rowling was to come up with that Potter series, even though I haven't read the books - I tried once but it just wasn't my kind of writing - but I love the movies.  Frickin' clever, damn intelligent, etc.  That is how I felt about Mass Effect 1 after I got into it and the story unfolded with the characters.  Well done!  

JK Rowling was able to repeat her triumph again and again, book after book, all the way to the very end of the series.  The end was a solid ending that brought "closure" to the story...but wait...Potter is STILL ALIVE AT THE END!  WTF?!  Anyway, I digress.  Rowling managed to pull off a solid narrative for a BUNCH of books/movies, not just 3, and drive it through all the way to the end.  Hudson and Bioware pulled it off once, faltered a bit on the second, and TOTALLY fumbled on the third and final.  No comparison to Rowling and Potter is appropriate or possible except as examples in contrast:  good vs horrible.

[BeefoTheBold]

SimonM72 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's official. Looks like Shepard is still going to puss out at the last minute, no matter what.



Your customer base is giving you one last chance to fix this, Bioware, and you're blowing it.

If you don't do this right, it's over. It's done. You've already taught me not to trust pre-orders, Bioware. Now you're teaching me not to trust you. If alienating half of your customer base was part of your "vision," that's fine. You'll get to eat the consequences in the form of loss of future sales. I would have bought mission DLC for ME3, had we been provided with a destination worth reaching - just as I did for ME2, but it looks like that's not part of your plan. You can keep your "art." I'll be keeping my money in the future. I won't pay for pre-ending DLC which serves only to make the walk off the end of the cliff slightly longer.

A pleasure doing business with you.

It breaks my heart to /sign this, and for what feels like (looking at that @MassEffect twitter feed) what could of been for the potential of this franchise.
I wanted it to be bigger than StarWars and this original trilogy is absolutely core to what the rest of the franchise will revolve around.  I just don't understand that tweet considering the scale of not only the uproar, but also the sheer extent to which the community has tried to help you fix this Bioware.

Cosigned.

[Artemis_Entrari]

ile_1979 wrote...

yeah, about half of the "greatest fans ever" that support the ending have joined the forums in the last several days

I've actually noticed this as well.  Quite a few of the "pro-ending" folks seem to have join dates of about late February to sometime in March of 2012.

Considering how big of BioWare fans they claim to be, you'd think they'd have been posting on Bio's forums for a lot longer than around the release date of Mass Effect 3.

[Aradace]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's official. Looks like Shepard is still going to puss out at the last minute, no matter what.



Your customer base is giving you one last chance to fix this, Bioware, and you're blowing it.

If you don't do this right, it's over. It's done. You've already taught me not to trust pre-orders, Bioware. Now you're teaching me not to trust you. If alienating half of your customer base was part of your "vision," that's fine. You'll get to eat the consequences in the form of loss of future sales. I would have bought mission DLC for ME3, had we been provided with a destination worth reaching - just as I did for ME2, but it looks like that's not part of your plan. You can keep your "art." I'll be keeping my money in the future. I won't pay for pre-ending DLC which serves only to make the walk off the end of the cliff slightly longer.

A pleasure doing business with you.

It breaks my heart to /sign this, and for what feels like (looking at that @MassEffect twitter feed) what could of been for the potential of this franchise.
I wanted it to be bigger than StarWars and this original trilogy is absolutely core to what the rest of the franchise will revolve around.  I just don't understand that tweet considering the scale of not only the uproar, but also the sheer extent to which the community has tried to help you fix this Bioware.

Cosigned.

That pretty much rips it then for me.  If that is to be trusted, Im done.  As someone else stated in the quote "I wont pay for pre-ending DLC which serves to make the walk off the end of the cliff slightly longer". 

[dukiduki]

Getorex wrote...

I HATE that word 'closure' they keep vomitting out of their pieholes.  I don't want "closure" the way THEY think I want it.  THEY assume that 'closure' = death.  No it doesn't.  

Closure that I want doesn't automatically mean Shepard or any other character IS dead...it simply means a satisfactory ending to the story, happy, sad, devastating...ALL THREE AVAILABLE.  MY closure simply has the organics and their civilization saved (no Geth genocide) and the Reapers EITHER pushed off for another cycle or defeated (defeated not as good as merely put off because their reasons for what they are doing should ALWAYS remain unexplained because it is "beyond our ability to understand" like Sovereign said in ME1 AND they are simply too ancient, developed, and powerful to take down so easily).  

Closure is life goes on (including Shepard's life with his LI).  So far, that IS how my life is going...does that mean I've accomplished nothing of value because I'm still alive?  Is anyone who is still alive unaccomplished because...well, they're still alive and didn't give the "ultimate sacrifice?"  Pishposh.  Most victories are acquired wtihout the lead actors dying.  That's real life.  The ones that do get the suck end of the stick are called the "losers".

I don't like it much either. It feels too close to the misconception that we hated the ending becaust it was so "dark" and we can only tolerate sugary sweet ones. Aside from the fact that it wasn't that "dark" in the first place, this could not be further from the truth. Dark woud be fine by me, hell they could kill almost everyone, as long as it makes sense. And here they failed, they delivered somthing that made no sense what-so-ever, an ending that was so bad it ruined the game and the entire series. And they still don't seem to realize it! All this talk about  closure is just distracting from that main issue, mainly that nothing made sense about the ending.

Maybe some bullet points could help. Dear Bioware, please take note of the following:

- The problem is not that the ending is too dark

- The problem is not that we don't get it

Instead, there are two real problems:

- We can't influence the ending in the way we want and the way you (and / or ) EA promised us

- The ending makes no sense, is full of plotholes, does not fit the tone of the series and undermines the events of the first game completley (among other things).

If you want to smooth this over, adress the later two points and don't focus on "closure". Giving us the current ending with an epilogue showing what happend to our squadmates (or whatever you have in mind) might be nice but won't solve the main problem.

[CptSpectacu1ar]

Thanks for the response Doc. I have a feeling he and Casey are taking heat for something that they lost control of for one reason or another, maybe parent company issues or something. I just can't imagine the writing staff being on board with it as it stood.... and if they were they would have known it was a reach, and thrown in lots of bits to satisfy us elsewhere (Like any of the assets we acquired, the rachni or Jacks class ect, showing up briefly in the end to give us some sort of satisfaction). Good luck with whatever issues you clearly have going on behind the scenes, sorry you have to take the heat alone .

[EagleScoutDJB]

There's nothing to clarify, I already figured out what the ending means. They sat down to write the ending and looked at the list of the things they promised would be in the ending and said crap this is going to be really hard. So the threw a bunch of stuff together that makes no sense and then prayed that no one would pay attention.

[SirRiot]

Just a piece of advice for Bioware - The next time you make an epic trilogy and plan to turn them in to a movie again...just hire a REAL GOOD SCREENPLAY WRITER.

Modifié par sirriot, 25 mars 2012 - 09:22 .