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[Jebediah Springfield]

It's not the ending that's the problem. It's the rushed intro, the rushed gameplay, maps, rushed dialogue, and left out missions and cities for dlc. The ending in itself is quite good, but that is within a linear story. The big problem with the ending is the lack of a suicide mission. ME2 had everyone with it's brilliant ending. I don't know if any other game involved people in such a way before. But in any case it was a winning element that should have been in ME3. What was the point of all these past squadmates and war assets if all they amount to is vague emails for the iPhone game? There was so much potential. How many people were lost in development so that more work could be done on multiplayer? The big problem is not the ending but that the game is unfinished and feels like we're going to have to pay double price for a full game. Omega should have been in there, and at least one more explorable city. There was no exploration in this game at all.

There also should have been more of an attack on earth, maybe two cities. Or at least a bigger finale fight. And another cue from ME2 was missed. I don't think there was any midgame mission that was anything like the collector ship. Nothing that really stood out and made me question my team, or made me think this war might not be possible.

It's difficult to be critical when the series was so great and the third had so much potential. I'm still working my head around it. It just felt rushed, unfinished.

[richway102]

This whole thing is crazy to me.  Mass Effect was one of the first games I bought for Xbox 360, and I have been a huge fan ever since.  I was surprised to find out that so many people were unhappy with the ending. I have to say, I don't think I've ever had as much fun playing a single player campaign, throughout all of my experience as a gamer, as I did on my second playghrough on Insanity.  It wasn't until recently that I started trying to get the Highest Readiness achievement by playing multiplayer (also awesome) when I came across a few fellow fans talking about all this controversy on the forums. 
I guess you could say I'm ambivalent about the ending.  I wasn't nearly as upset as I can see many people are from reading a lot of the forums, twitter feeds, and such.  The two endings I've seen didn't disappoint me in the least, and I look forward to many more playthroughs considering the fact that I have saves transferred all the way from the origional ME for every class covering great variety of choices.
Of all of the complaints about the endings, I agree that there are some arguable points, but I honestly don't understand why everyone is so upset.  If anything, I'm glad people have made it such a big issue because I'm curious to see all of the changes that will be made in response.  

I think ME3 was a fantastic and epic ending to an unbelieveably awesome series.  The ridiculous number of people named in the credits of all three games should be congradulated for their achievement.  To create something that stands out at a time like this, where gamers have an amazing selection of titles to choose from, is just astonishing to me.   

My thanks to BioWare and EA for another awesome game! 

[Getorex]

richway102 wrote...

This whole thing is crazy to me.  Mass Effect was one of the first games I bought for Xbox 360, and I have been a huge fan ever since.  I was surprised to find out that so many people were unhappy with the ending. I have to say, I don't think I've ever had as much fun playing a single player campaign, throughout all of my experience as a gamer, as I did on my second playghrough on Insanity.  It wasn't until recently that I started trying to get the Highest Readiness achievement by playing multiplayer (also awesome) when I came across a few fellow fans talking about all this controversy on the forums. 
I guess you could say I'm ambivalent about the ending.  I wasn't nearly as upset as I can see many people are from reading a lot of the forums, twitter feeds, and such.  The two endings I've seen didn't disappoint me in the least, and I look forward to many more playthroughs considering the fact that I have saves transferred all the way from the origional ME for every class covering great variety of choices.
Of all of the complaints about the endings, I agree that there are some arguable points, but I honestly don't understand why everyone is so upset.  If anything, I'm glad people have made it such a big issue because I'm curious to see all of the changes that will be made in response.  

I think ME3 was a fantastic and epic ending to an unbelieveably awesome series.  The ridiculous number of people named in the credits of all three games should be congradulated for their achievement.  To create something that stands out at a time like this, where gamers have an amazing selection of titles to choose from, is just astonishing to me.   

My thanks to BioWare and EA for another awesome game! 

If you really played the previous games, 1 and 2, and if you actually expend more than a minute's thought on the ending in ME3, you will not, you CANNOT like the ending.  IT IS SELF-EVIDENTLY ILLOGICAL AND PATENTLY RIDICULOUS!  Hell's bells, it directly contradicts things you just a few hours prior were accomplishing!  "Uhhhh, hello godbrat?  You are full of sh*t!  Geth?  EDI?  My best buds.  Yeah.  Best buds for the Quarians and all organics now."  Start pounding on godbrat's head with fist like knocking on a door, "HELLO!  ANYONE IN THERE!  My entire life experience from just days ago (in game) directy proves your key premise wrong moron!"

Yeah.  THAT'S a "good" ending right there.  It was written for a TOTALLY different game than the one I had been playing up to that point.  It was also an ending for a totally different game than YOU were playing too.

[merttol]

richway102 wrote...

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I think ME3 was a fantastic and epic ending to an unbelieveably awesome series.  The ridiculous number of people named in the credits of all three games should be congradulated for their achievement.  To create something that stands out at a time like this, where gamers have an amazing selection of titles to choose from, is just astonishing to me.   

My thanks to BioWare and EA for another awesome game! 

You're so funny though. Annnnnd, waste of time.

[LordDain]

oh yeah, like people posting here that the game and ending is so bloody epic, will actually make the ending or negative feelings about it go away. i got news for you: it wont, so you can stop trying to indoctrinate / troll us. and if you insist, at least come up with some arguments as to why the game is so bloody epic and why we are all so wrong about hating the ending, plotholes, bugs etc.

[EagleScoutDJB]

merttol wrote...

richway102 wrote...

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I think ME3 was a fantastic and epic ending to an unbelieveably awesome series.  The ridiculous number of people named in the credits of all three games should be congradulated for their achievement.  To create something that stands out at a time like this, where gamers have an amazing selection of titles to choose from, is just astonishing to me.   

My thanks to BioWare and EA for another awesome game! 

You're so funny though. Annnnnd, waste of time.

No ones opinion is a waste of time.  And he's right, he's just using the wrong reasons to back up his argument.  Bioware should be proud of creating a universe the we all feel so strongly about.  There's never been a game, no actually there's never been a story not in games, TV, movies or books, I felt so much fire over that I would spend hours online talking about making sure my voice was heard.  I'm greatful for what Bioware has done even if I feel they fell way short of their potential with ME3.

[merttol]

dbollendorf wrote...

merttol wrote...

richway102 wrote...

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I think ME3 was a fantastic and epic ending to an unbelieveably awesome series.  The ridiculous number of people named in the credits of all three games should be congradulated for their achievement.  To create something that stands out at a time like this, where gamers have an amazing selection of titles to choose from, is just astonishing to me.   

My thanks to BioWare and EA for another awesome game! 

You're so funny though. Annnnnd, waste of time.

No ones opinion is a waste of time.  And he's right, he's just using the wrong reasons to back up his argument.  Bioware should be proud of creating a universe the we all feel so strongly about.  There's never been a game, no actually there's never been a story not in games, TV, movies or books, I felt so much fire over that I would spend hours online talking about making sure my voice was heard.  I'm greatful for what Bioware has done even if I feel they fell way short of their potential with ME3.

My explanation will be waste of time not his opinion or yours...

[Getorex]

Starbrat: "Synthetics will always turn on their creators."

Shepard: "Uuuhh. No. See, I was on this little planet called Rannoch not too long ago where I did get into a dustup with Geth and, yes, they are synthetics, BUT...it was the organics, the QUARIANS, that started that little tif. In addition, I met up with my best synthetic bud Legion there, my man, and he showed me the actual history of the Geth:Quarian argument. Know what little sh*t? The QUARIANS, the organic CREATORS of the Geth started it back then too! Pow! Two directly contradictiing examples that invalidate your assinine statement! But there's more so keep yer yap shut punk. See, after meeting up with my man Legion, we set out and altered the Geth so that they are virtually living creature now rather than 'just' synthetics. AND THEY MADE PEACE WITH THE QUARIANS! That's right brat, they made peace with the Quarians who were hellbent on totally wrecking them! Yet another counter-example to your asinine statement! They are not only friends now, but they are SHARING Rannoch AND the Geth are helping the Quarians re-acclimate to life on Rannoch without their environment suits! Holy sh*t! What does THAT do to your thesis kiddo? But STILL there's more! See, we got this AI on my ship the Normandy. She has recently acquired a physical synthetic humanoid body and guess what? Go ahead mouthbreather, guess...OK, give up? She not only does NOT want to attack and kill us organics, she is currently IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE! She's also doing her damnedest to BE one of us organics! POW POW and POW! Your idiot statement that 'synthetics always turn on their creators' is a LOAD OF SH*T."

There's more that Shepard could say to totally destroy the little starbrat's moronic statements but I'd say just that alone would have made the little bastard crap his diaper and run to mommy crying.  Like Shepard COULD go into how the Geth that were a problem for organics before?  In ME1 and ME2?  They were UNDER FULL CONTROL OF THE REAPERS!  They were not doing their "natural thing", they were influenced to attack organics BY THE REAPERS.  That's right, the Reapers are influencing a SUBSET of Geth to attack organics...becausethey wont do it on their own!  WTF?  Isn't that the purpose of the Reapers?  To PREVENT such synthetics from attacking organics?  So why are they USING those selfsame synthetics to do exactly what the Reapers are supposed to prevent?

Good, epic ending my @SS. Full on retarded ending is more accurate.

Modifié par Getorex, 25 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[richway102]

Wow, my post was so well received!

I do feel a little missunderstood, however.  I was referring to the game as a whole when I said it was a fantastic and epic ending.  How is it not? Seeing all of the homeworlds of the different races? Helping out old friends from ME2? Seeing choices from 1 affecting things in 3 (I can't be too specific in the no spoilers forum, now can I)?  All of these things were fun/fantastic/epic as far as I'm concerned.  

Readers should notice that when I referred to the ending, specifically, I used the word ambivalent.  I think the ending allows one to draw his or her own conclusions as far as the aftermath of the endgame decision. 

[venom56321489]

Ex-BioWare employee leaks info on Mass Effect 3′s post-ending DLC

http://tbreak.com/me...ost-ending-dlc/

[Kusy]

Hey guys! Guess how much I value Ray Muzyka's words since the BioWare Bazaar apology?

[ragnorok87]

i dont value them at all, he is just making more multicoloured explosions. yipee

[animadpig]

This is one of responds from the consumers.
http://social.biowar...25/polls/29964/

More than 50% people are willing to return the game.

[rwallace1492]

 
 I have a question.

Is it possible? If u played ME1 as male Sheppard, romanced Ashley, import save game into ME2. When you have the option to stay as u are or change decide to change appearance, ,if u decide to change from a amale to female Sheppard would the whole galaxy still see you as a man or would they treat you as female? But more importantly, what will happen with your romance with Ashley especially for ME3?
I was thinking about this recently so I want to know peoples views on the topic. Let me know if possible.

[JMKnave]

It was nice to read a post from Ray. As a longtime Bioware fan and game owner, I appreciate it quite a lot.

I have played through all ME games (1, 2, & 3) multiple times in a multitude of different ways. I enjoyed them all thoroughly.

I posted over a year ago about how I thought ME3 would finish. I called it that we would end up losing Shepard in the end.

It was inevitable. I knew that for this game to tell the legend of Shepard properly, that he would have to die in the end. This is true for any great hero. King Jr, Joan of Arc, Achilles, etc.

I enjoyed ME3 as a game quite a lot. To interact with characters from previous versions and see the story finally play out, especially in certain scenarios, was amazing.

So I was not really put off with the final outcome of Shepard. Rather I was left uneasy with the choice given to me in the end of how to go about it.

My issue with the choice itself is not that our hero, Shepard, dies but that he dies alone.

The entire storyline is about bringing disparate cultures and species together and in the end, the main catalyst for this unification dies all alone.

As a paragon, I fully expected that Shepard would end up sacrificing himself for the greater good. But where is the emotion from his comrades, LI, and friends that he would leave behind? Where is the cutscene of the LI from ME1 saying "NO Shepard!"? Where is the cutscene of Garrus' silent understanding of the choice he must make? Where is the 21 gun salute from the Alliance to honour a fallen hero? Where is the exchange with Wrex in the final minutes of "Shepard" - "Wrex"?

I mean even Spock got to speak with Kirk before kicking the bucket in Wrath of Khan.

As a renegade, as soon as I saw the "catalyst" the first thing I wanted to do was shoot it between the eyes. I was expecting Shepard to say something along the lines of "Screw you and your lousy choices. I'm Shepard and I do things my way." And then let the battle play out with the reapers.

The renegade option has Shepard destroy all artificial life including the Geth. Why would I want to destroy the Geth if I just spent most of ME2 and ME3 bringing them and the Quarians together?

And the paragade choice of synthesis... isn't Shepard already part synthetic and part organic? Why does he have to sacrifice himself here? Hasn't technology advanced enough where a simple DNA swab would be enough to add to the crucible to begin synthesis?

And the final stargazer scene had its own tempo which was discordant from the tempo of the rest of the game. It was not needed at all and felt very out of place.

What I am trying to say is that in ME1, Shepard faces the final boss with his squadmates. In ME2, Shepard faces the final boss with his entire crew. In ME3, he faces the final ending alone?!

[BeefoTheBold]

Here's the problems with Dr. Ray's post:

He's not apologizing, not really. He's not saying anything like, "We're sorry that what we actually gave you for an ending HEAVILY contradicted what tons of public statements by our executives and the people working on the game SAID you were going to get, even close to release date."

What he's saying is, "We're sorry some of you don't like our ending. BTW, did you see how many of the review sites DID like our game?"

In other words, his "apology" is basically, "We're sorry you're all too stupid to understand our genius."

The public line out of EA/Bioware right now is that they did that ending ON PURPOSE...which means that either they purposefully lied to us for months and months about what we WOULD get from the ending to the trilogy OR....

...they're purposefully lying to us NOW.

There's no other logical explanation. None whatsoever.

So in addition to blaming their fans rather than apologizing, the good Dr. is flat out lying. Either now or in the past.

[P00_F41RY]

For those pro ending people who have just signed up for the forums, like me just had to see what absolute tools most people are. Just because we have lives that don't revolve around bashing game developers and posting hate towards a company that provides us with a little entertainment for our abviously depressing lives. I have never had to stand up for an excellent game before that's why I have signed up for the forums I've never had a problem with any bioware games. What closure did you ending haters want, did you want shepherd to pop out of your and sit with on the lounge and comfort and tell you everything is ok. Well it's not get over it ;-)

[BeefoTheBold]

P00_F41RY wrote...

For those pro ending people who have just signed up for the forums, like me just had to see what absolute tools most people are. Just because we have lives that don't revolve around bashing game developers and posting hate towards a company that provides us with a little entertainment for our abviously depressing lives. I have never had to stand up for an excellent game before that's why I have signed up for the forums I've never had a problem with any bioware games. What closure did you ending haters want, did you want shepherd to pop out of your and sit with on the lounge and comfort and tell you everything is ok. Well it's not get over it ;-)

Any of these links below will answer your question on what the "haters" want.



http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[Pallando]

P00_F41RY wrote...

For those pro ending people who have just signed up for the forums, like me just had to see what absolute tools most people are. Just because we have lives that don't revolve around bashing game developers and posting hate towards a company that provides us with a little entertainment for our abviously depressing lives. I have never had to stand up for an excellent game before that's why I have signed up for the forums I've never had a problem with any bioware games. What closure did you ending haters want, did you want shepherd to pop out of your and sit with on the lounge and comfort and tell you everything is ok. Well it's not get over it ;-)

Or check this thread and explain each quote to us, please. 
http://social.biowar...ndex/10416062/1

Modifié par Pallando, 26 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[garf]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's official. Looks like Shepard is still going to puss out at the last minute, no matter what.



Your customer base is giving you one last chance to fix this, Bioware, and you're blowing it.

If you don't do this right, it's over. It's done. You've already taught me not to trust pre-orders, Bioware. Now you're teaching me not to trust you. If alienating half of your customer base was part of your "vision," that's fine. You'll get to eat the consequences in the form of loss of future sales. I would have bought mission DLC for ME3, had we been provided with a destination worth reaching - just as I did for ME2, but it looks like that's not part of your plan. You can keep your "art." I'll be keeping my money in the future. I won't pay for pre-ending DLC which serves only to make the walk off the end of the cliff slightly longer.

A pleasure doing business with you.

It breaks my heart to /sign this, and for what feels like (looking at that @MassEffect twitter feed) what could of been for the potential of this franchise.
I wanted it to be bigger than StarWars and this original trilogy is absolutely core to what the rest of the franchise will revolve around.  I just don't understand that tweet considering the scale of not only the uproar, but also the sheer extent to which the community has tried to help you fix this Bioware.

Cosigned.

Signed and 'voted'(see my sig)

[LilyasAvalon]

I like how it's written to SEEM like an apology, but he's ACTUALLY just insulted their own fan base even MORE.

[InvincibleHero]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Here's the problems with Dr. Ray's post:

He's not apologizing, not really. He's not saying anything like, "We're sorry that what we actually gave you for an ending HEAVILY contradicted what tons of public statements by our executives and the people working on the game SAID you were going to get, even close to release date."

What he's saying is, "We're sorry some of you don't like our ending. BTW, did you see how many of the review sites DID like our game?"

In other words, his "apology" is basically, "We're sorry you're all too stupid to understand our genius."

The public line out of EA/Bioware right now is that they did that ending ON PURPOSE...which means that either they purposefully lied to us for months and months about what we WOULD get from the ending to the trilogy OR....

...they're purposefully lying to us NOW.

There's no other logical explanation. None whatsoever.

So in addition to blaming their fans rather than apologizing, the good Dr. is flat out lying. Either now or in the past.

That's not it at all. People are too bitter and are letting it cloud their judgement.

He is saying they thought they did a great job on the game and feel validated by reviews that are high. They ddi not expect fan repsonse to be so strong in denouncing the endings. Then he went on to say they had to defend their story and the writers/workers that spent so many hours making the game. They are trying to offer clarification and come part way to meeting the fans on fixing the endings.

Why should they apologize for making the product as they wanted with only subjective opinion about a story element aka endings? They made no mistake, you and others just didn't like the endings for many reasons some valid others IMO not.

[BeefoTheBold]

InvincibleHero wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Here's the problems with Dr. Ray's post:

He's not apologizing, not really. He's not saying anything like, "We're sorry that what we actually gave you for an ending HEAVILY contradicted what tons of public statements by our executives and the people working on the game SAID you were going to get, even close to release date."

What he's saying is, "We're sorry some of you don't like our ending. BTW, did you see how many of the review sites DID like our game?"

In other words, his "apology" is basically, "We're sorry you're all too stupid to understand our genius."

The public line out of EA/Bioware right now is that they did that ending ON PURPOSE...which means that either they purposefully lied to us for months and months about what we WOULD get from the ending to the trilogy OR....

...they're purposefully lying to us NOW.

There's no other logical explanation. None whatsoever.

So in addition to blaming their fans rather than apologizing, the good Dr. is flat out lying. Either now or in the past.

That's not it at all. People are too bitter and are letting it cloud their judgement.

He is saying they thought they did a great job on the game and feel validated by reviews that are high. They ddi not expect fan repsonse to be so strong in denouncing the endings. Then he went on to say they had to defend their story and the writers/workers that spent so many hours making the game. They are trying to offer clarification and come part way to meeting the fans on fixing the endings.

Why should they apologize for making the product as they wanted with only subjective opinion about a story element aka endings? They made no mistake, you and others just didn't like the endings for many reasons some valid others IMO not.

Simple answer: They should apologize because they said one thing and did something completely different.

We were promised in tons of public statements by Bioware executives that our choices would matter and that there would be 16 highly differentiated endings based on all the choices you had made across three different games.

That is a lie. Flat out.

It isn't something that you "clarify". It's self-explanatory. It would be like if I came home one day and found my wife riding someone else's pipe in our marital bed and she said, "Wait. This isn't what it looks like. Allow me to provide further clarity on what you just witnessed."

They DID make a mistake. They outright lied on what we would get with the ending. That's not even getting into the fact that their ending (singular...different color shiny lights does not make a different ending) is a complete and other retconn filled with plot holes big enough to drive the Destiny Ascension through.

Throw out EVERYTHING ELSE wrong with the ending and you're still left with the absolutely impossible to avoid fact that Bioware lied, and lied repeatedly, for months.

[A Forgotten Tome]

Thanks for insulting me even more Bioware, I don't want your mock apologies, I want you to give me the ending that I want for Shepherd, not the ending you cooked up at the last second because EA has you on a leash.

Sellouts.

[orangesonic]

rwallace1492 wrote...

 
 I have a question.

Is it possible? If u played ME1 as male Sheppard, romanced Ashley, import save game into ME2. When you have the option to stay as u are or change decide to change appearance, ,if u decide to change from a amale to female Sheppard would the whole galaxy still see you as a man or would they treat you as female? But more importantly, what will happen with your romance with Ashley especially for ME3?
I was thinking about this recently so I want to know peoples views on the topic. Let me know if possible.

as far as i know.... u can only change the appearance, not to a female or vice-versa