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[venom56321489]

maybe a change of company.
http://news.asiaone....6-335653/2.html
below quoted for this site
"I sympathise on the last point, but the problem is that trust is broken when material on the disc that gamers paid for can't be played unless they fork out more cash.

And if companies such as CD Projekt Red can offer optional downloadable content for its Witcher role-playing games free of charge, why not others?"

[Dreez]

I hope you are happy Bioware.
www.youtube.com/watch

This is your current reputation, you must be so happy to have achieved this after all your glory.

Watch the comments and dry your tears.

[Dreez]

Nikolas Davidoff wrote...

*excerpt*  To demand the alteration of the game's ending is a gross abuse of the privileges we have been endowed with, one sadly caused by the very nature of the game in question. It is the fact that every player returning from ME1 and/or ME2 has left a personal mark on this galaxy and its characters that are potentially making their final stand in this goliath of a game, the fact that there is no canon for a writer to dictate as the one and only truth. And in carrying this personal tale over the course of up to 5 years the player develops a connection to the world just as potent as the fantasy lifestyle simulator of Skyrim, and thus results in a sense of ownership over their Shepard's story. 
But Bioware's writers had to find a way to cater to all who feel this ownership – millions of minds and opinions each with their own expectations and definition of a satisfying end. After all, to quote Justicar Samara, "if three humans are in a room, there will be six opinions." But these are all opinions Bioware had to satisfy and only because they believe they are indebted to us, and yet the community continues to rant and accuse. 
Was there controversy after Uncharted 3 released, with Marlowe's apparent magic tricks and the truth behind the 'Drake' moniker left unexplained and empty? But here they are accusing ME3 of having plotholes. I suppose they were too busy picking their jaws off the floor after the setpieces to care. Then continues the insults over the OPTION to pursue a gay relationship with Cortez. This after the attacks of Fox News 4 years ago! Was the male Grey Warden of Dragon Age Origins belittled for his tact in seducing Zevran? Or will the RPG purists not speak ill of the old-fashioned game they love and instead choose to blindly discriminate against one that is fresh and modern?  Criticism is always welcome and automatic but the manner in which most of it has been expressed has been that of spoiled children claiming rights that do not exist.  
See the rest: http://social.biowar...31043/#comments

You make your bed, now you lay in it.
Bioware said a lot of things, promised a lot of things.  Now they're paying for it, pretty simply in my book.

[Beta-Breech]

Nikolas Davidoff wrote...

Snip

Great you support them we get it.     


Firstly: "But here they are accusing ME3 of having plotholes"

If you couldn't tell what the frankly MASSIVE plotholes in this game were then you're quite blind.  When you openly contridict a world that has been created you're doomed to fail.    Any good story writer will create a universe/base and build upon that, not rip it apart and ignore anything and everything you've set up before.  In the last 10 minutes of the game that's exactly what happens.    Let's forget about the whole closure thing and look at the ending in itself:
 
The reapers :

"We're created to destroy life to preserve it from synthetics because they can never maintain peace"

Since this is a spoiler free area and hopefully you know the story so you can see why this is such a MASSIVE contriction.  

The star child: 

In terms of plot devices this was handled so poorly that it hurt to witness.  

The Normandy: 

What sense does that final scene make in or out of context of what happens previously? 

Shepard himself:

This has been a character that does nothing but question the options infront of him.  So at the end he decides "hell its been a long day, lets let a child decide how things end for me" 

Mass Relays:

The effect that would be suffered after their final event would simply end the universe they've established.  

There are many things that happen throughout that ignore the previous series.  

This doesn't work, and is neither art nor is it interesting to witness.   

You see with Lost that ended in a way that was meant to create questions not really ever bring closure.  The whole show was written that way from the very start.  

As people who've paid for a product that was not as advertised we're completely within our works to ask for a change. 
If you buy something you're not satisfied with do you keep it and remain quiet?  Or do you talk to where you've purchased it and ask for it to be resolved?    It seems like you've not read through any of the reasons why people are actually upset, and just done a very typical thing of reading the childish posts and only taking those as why we're unsatisfied.  

Lets be honest, this game didn't feel like an RPG with the gameplay provided.  It was a third person shooter with a few scenes of dialog you controlled.    There was no exploration, there were set very small places.  The sections where you control the normandy around the systems for resources felt like an app you'd get not part of the game play. At least in previous two games when farming you could either go on planet, explore and get resources, or come across random missions.  Things in this game felt disjointed in places, nothing really felt like what we've come to expect from the series as a whole.  

I'm sad to say but this game is the prequel to star wars.  It's badly paced, poorly written and ultimately forced because of this.     

Lets not forget about the games that bioware has previously produced before they got into bed with EA:

KOTOR/ME:  These games were so full of substance and had such great characters I and many others still replay them to this day.    The side quests in these games actually felt like you were going somewhere and adding to the story.  Ultimately they're going to be timeless because of just how good they were and how faultless they were.     It seems like some of us are forgetting just what Bioware are capable of.    

By comparison: 

SWTOR:  A game that is basically once massive grind.  Just having a class quest and a few group ops as a focal point doesn't work in an MMO.  Where's the little things?  Like being able to fish or do something other than be on a constant search for better equipment.  Lets not even get started with the broken engine.  Where's the little things and character developement we've seen them acheive?  

In the last year or so they've begun to rush things and try and sort them after they've released them.  I'm sure we'd all be happier if they took a little more time or delayed things just to get the finished products at a much higher quality/damn near perfect.  

Modifié par Beta-Breech, 26 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[scomoletti]

TheseAreMyToys wrote...

Ray this better be FREE. I'm not going to play for any content that just helps to explain the shoody ending.

I can understand that Shepard has to die to make way for a new storyline, but, seriously, if I simply wanted to choose a color I'd buy a bag of Skittles.

Elephants people! Elephants *and* monkeys! and look, the monkey has more colors than BioWare in it's art! Where do we sign up for the preorder collectors edition on his next materpiece?

[farlander28]

Nikolas Davidoff wrote...

*excerpt*  To demand the alteration of the game's ending is a gross abuse of the privileges we have been endowed with, one sadly caused by the very nature of the game in question. It is the fact that every player returning from ME1 and/or ME2 has left a personal mark on this galaxy and its characters that are potentially making their final stand in this goliath of a game, the fact that there is no canon for a writer to dictate as the one and only truth. And in carrying this personal tale over the course of up to 5 years the player develops a connection to the world just as potent as the fantasy lifestyle simulator of Skyrim, and thus results in a sense of ownership over their Shepard's story. 
But Bioware's writers had to find a way to cater to all who feel this ownership – millions of minds and opinions each with their own expectations and definition of a satisfying end. After all, to quote Justicar Samara, "if three humans are in a room, there will be six opinions." But these are all opinions Bioware had to satisfy and only because they believe they are indebted to us, and yet the community continues to rant and accuse. 
Was there controversy after Uncharted 3 released, with Marlowe's apparent magic tricks and the truth behind the 'Drake' moniker left unexplained and empty? But here they are accusing ME3 of having plotholes. I suppose they were too busy picking their jaws off the floor after the setpieces to care. Then continues the insults over the OPTION to pursue a gay relationship with Cortez. This after the attacks of Fox News 4 years ago! Was the male Grey Warden of Dragon Age Origins belittled for his tact in seducing Zevran? Or will the RPG purists not speak ill of the old-fashioned game they love and instead choose to blindly discriminate against one that is fresh and modern?  Criticism is always welcome and automatic but the manner in which most of it has been expressed has been that of spoiled children claiming rights that do not exist.  
See the rest: http://social.biowar...31043/#comments

TL;DR -> You are a blind fanboy, willing to support anything and everything bioware does, no matter how bad the writing or design, and no matter how much EA forces them to dumb-down their games to align with marketing efforts to appeal to the CoD kiddies and ADHD crowd. Good for you.

Also, about that self-righteous nonsense to the tune of "rather than working with them and being polite, you are mean!", I say this: No one takes criticism seriously unless there is negativity and an uproar to upset shareholders. Fawning all over bioware and saying "oh btw, you should really change this" will accomplish nothing, because why should they change anything if everyone is fawning all over them? Obviously the product was still good enough for everyone to love them for it, so the criticisms can't be all that important, can they?

You understand absolutely nothing about corporate politics and business.

[leki_se]

Naltharial wrote...

... or that we want a ludicrus "happy ending, everyone rejoices

Well, me personally would like ( very much  ) to have a possibility for such an ending. In the end that's why I saved citadel in ME 1, fought collectors in second ( and recruited the most awsome characters in hole gaming world )) and finally spend a lot of time trying to raise as much war assets as possible.

[Beta-Breech]

Nikolas Davidoff wrote...

*excerpt*  To demand the alteration of the game's ending is a gross abuse of the privileges we have been endowed with, one sadly caused by the very nature of the game in question. It is the fact that every player returning from ME1 and/or ME2 has left a personal mark on this galaxy and its characters that are potentially making their final stand in this goliath of a game, the fact that there is no canon for a writer to dictate as the one and only truth. And in carrying this personal tale over the course of up to 5 years the player develops a connection to the world just as potent as the fantasy lifestyle simulator of Skyrim, and thus results in a sense of ownership over their Shepard's story. 
But Bioware's writers had to find a way to cater to all who feel this ownership – millions of minds and opinions each with their own expectations and definition of a satisfying end. After all, to quote Justicar Samara, "if three humans are in a room, there will be six opinions." But these are all opinions Bioware had to satisfy and only because they believe they are indebted to us, and yet the community continues to rant and accuse. 
Was there controversy after Uncharted 3 released, with Marlowe's apparent magic tricks and the truth behind the 'Drake' moniker left unexplained and empty? But here they are accusing ME3 of having plotholes. I suppose they were too busy picking their jaws off the floor after the setpieces to care. Then continues the insults over the OPTION to pursue a gay relationship with Cortez. This after the attacks of Fox News 4 years ago! Was the male Grey Warden of Dragon Age Origins belittled for his tact in seducing Zevran? Or will the RPG purists not speak ill of the old-fashioned game they love and instead choose to blindly discriminate against one that is fresh and modern?  Criticism is always welcome and automatic but the manner in which most of it has been expressed has been that of spoiled children claiming rights that do not exist.  
See the rest: http://social.biowar...31043/#comments

"The harsh truth is that the general public is no different than the government with SOPA, being offered a small taste of control and seeking more so as to dominate. And as it is the misfortune of my patient pleasure, I have not been able to experience this finale for myself, but my defence is not of the content, but of the artists' right to stand by their creation, their work, and support it despite how it does not match the image in a million minds. I hope that Bioware's current endeavours do not resort to such drastic measures (besides, I'd like to get a taste of this controversial material in the coming months of my first playthrough!)."


So wait.... You've not even played the game yet?  And you're posting an opinion that's based on what?   I think your right to an opinion just went out of the window.  

Modifié par Beta-Breech, 26 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[pyro_technician]

You know the writers from Deus Ex said they were sorry for their terrible ending....The same ending ME3 has now. Just saying.

[Beta-Breech]

See I didn't mind the ending to the most recent of the Deus Ex series, but that's only because that was the first of the series I've played. I didn't have the history behind it like I do with the Mass Effect universe. Just saying, the only way you could really like this ending is if you haven't put hours upon hours into the series before hand.

[Getorex]

pyro_technician wrote...

You know the writers from Deus Ex said they were sorry for their terrible ending....The same ending ME3 has now. Just saying.

Well I didn't mind the ending of Deus Ex: Human Revolution.  It was in line with the orignal (which is still considered one of THE best games ever made).  Their problem lay with some of the logic behind the consequences of each choice (some of it didn't hold water) but...their logic WAS logic, just weak.  The ME3 ending had NO logic.  At all.

In addition, you had 4 choices of ending in DE:HR and ONLY ONE would result in your character's death and he APPROPRIATELY exclaimed, "You call that a solution!?"  The other 3 endings left you alive but in a changed world. 

Worked for me.  My man didn't die and made the best choice from the batch.

ME3 kills you outright in 2 endings, virtually kills you in the other, but worst of all, in the ONE you may survive ALL your friends and LI are hopelessly gone, inexplicably, across the galaxy.  BULLCRAP.

Adam Jensen was no idiot.  MY Shepard isn't a moron either.  They don't kill themselves just for the f*ck of it.  And MY Shepard doesn't end up on the opposite side of the galaxy from his LI and friends.  End of story.

[Getorex]

Beta-Breech wrote...

See I didn't mind the ending to the most recent of the Deus Ex series, but that's only because that was the first of the series I've played. I didn't have the history behind it like I do with the Mass Effect universe. Just saying, the only way you could really like this ending is if you haven't put hours upon hours into the series before hand.

I will always remember the original Deus Ex for many reasons (first of its kind, huge, very well done, interesting plot that included many real world conspiracy theories into one coherent story) including the ending.  It offered you these choices, ALL of them sucked in different ways.  You had to choose the one you thought sucked the least.  

I did not choose an ending that killed my dude.

[XDRonin]

To Chris Priestly

I certainly appreciate Dr. Ray Muzyka response to our concerns regarding the end of ME3, but he also wrote to us (and I quote) "If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it."

- So, is the ME3 team at Bioware planning to create a post (a specific post Or! something similar) for us to write in our input (no just regarding the ending but plot issues we may find) for ME3??

[Savber100]

venom56321489 wrote...

maybe a change of company.
http://news.asiaone....6-335653/2.html
below quoted for this site
"I sympathise on the last point, but the problem is that trust is broken when material on the disc that gamers paid for can't be played unless they fork out more cash.

And if companies such as CD Projekt Red can offer optional downloadable content for its Witcher role-playing games free of charge, why not others?"

EA. 

Do I really need to say more? 

EA and Activision works solely for cash. Only independents can get away with free stuff. 

[xK4HxPurehatred]

On the ending issue, we do not want answers, we as the fans that knows commander sheperd better than the creator want results.

[BeefoTheBold]

People who complain about material on the disc being held back are missing the point IMO.

You can still hold out ready to go content that SHOULD be in the main game that isn't on the disc. It being on the disc is damning evidence, but it is a symptom of the problem and not the disease itself.

[venom56321489]

http://www.theverge....t-3-ending-talk
article with Kevin VanOrd, Senior Edtior at Gamespot, and Francesca Reyes, Editor-in-Chief at the Official Xbox Magazine
Anyone see this crap article with adam sessler saying he see's numbers on dissappointed fans for ME3 ending but wants to know really how big it is.

ITS FREAKIN LIKE 98% PEOPLE. 98% OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THE ENDING WAS HORRIBLE.
ALL THESE COMMENTS AND ARTICLES ARE B.S.
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK GAME REVIEWERS HAVE LOST TOUCH AND ARE JUST IN A COMPANY'S POCKET FOR ADVERTISING. MANY OF THESE ARTICLES THAT LOVE THE ENDING EVEN START OFF BY TELLING CONSUMERS PRICE AND WHAT SYSTEM ITS AVAILABLE FOR (IF THATS NOT PROOF OF BIAS)

HOLD THE LINE PEOPLE! ITS ABOUT FANS BEING ATTACKED AND CALLED CRYBABIES CAUSE WE HAVE A VOICE AND WERE MISLED IN THE MARKETING. AND THIS BIOWARE HIDE CAMPAIGN AND ALL THESE B.S. SITES LOVING THE ENDING ITS IMPOSSIBLE THE ONES WHO LOVE THE ENDINGS ARE 3%. ITS ALL A SCAM.

[venom56321489]

PEOPLE CAN CALL ME A CRYBABY OR SAY I HAVE NO LIFE BUT I DONT CARE. I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE I AM HEARD AND VOICE ALL MY OPINIONS. ALL THESE PEOPLE SAYING NO BIOWARE SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE ENDING IT WILL CHANGE THE FUTURE OF GAMES. NEWS FLASH FALLOUT 3 ALREADY DID IT AND FUTURE OF GAMES STILL CROOKED. IF YOU ASK ME THE FUTURE OF GAMES NEEDS TO BE SHOOK UP.

[somecthemes]

My thoughts on his Muzyka's article, it would've been a lot shorter to say, "We hear you, will get back at our earliest convienance." That's the way I see every PR release that makes sure to stay far from specifics. A nice inclusion would've been a note saying that any such "clarifying DLC" would be free, but it's probably another 3 weeks before I could hope to hear that much detail.

[gothicslo]

The game itself is great the best i ever played, its realy nice but the end was not what i expected, well the end should show more of our army figtihng the reapers and why not a happy ending.

[Dervishing Dude]

The part that annoyed me the most was that they have spent all these months exclaiming that there would be vastly different endings. It was very disappointing when I got to the end and they were almost exactly the same...

[somecthemes]

Dervishing Dude wrote...

The part that annoyed me the most was that they have spent all these months exclaiming that there would be vastly different endings. It was very disappointing when I got to the end and they were almost exactly the same...

Took me a while to rationalize this with the game, either it was a statement from the perspective of a person who knew what future content was coming, or someone who thought the "ending" was the entire 3rd game, which from that perspective, well...yeah, ME3 would be concidered a rather diverse ending to ME2..