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[runwhileucan]

Something tells me this means no extra options or changes, but more clarification and longer ending cutscenes. Is that good? Bad? I don't know, it depends on how it comes out.

[Barzyn]

Mr Muzyka is right, it is their best game to date so far, it has a very intense storyline to it and very dark and grim. it invokes a wide range of emotions (just in me it was in a negative way). I do not really have a problem with the ending like most ppl do, but some parts of the game i do have a problem with. I do not know how you could alter the ending to the game to suit fans from a developers standpoint that would keep the developers happy and the fans happy. The only part i have problem with is the Samara part to the game at the very end when you get ready to leave the monastery. i think that could be altered slightly than what the ending is if you no stop her from doing what she was gonna do cuz of her Justicar Code. that really left a bad taste in my mouth (cuz that hits close to home). I actually enjoyed the game tho, i really think the story to it is fantastic. Yes the ending was a bit of a let down, does it need changed i don't know, it could be altered slightly without changing it too drastically i suppose but i can understand why bioware did it like that though

[admcmei]

Ronin1325 wrote...

I'd hazard a guess that most of us here are looking for *different* endings, not 'clarification' of existing ones. :-/

Yeah, I think they're listening but not getting it, they're trying to focus on the only parts of the criticism that they can address without having to do to much work (give a couple of more answers in game and we're ok? No). We want what the whole saga and their own intrerviews promised us: REALLY different endings. It's absoluely ridiculous that Shepard has no option to really argue with the kid, just a couple of questions and then he accepts what he's told?
I guess we can only continue to put pressure (it's working, clearly, as long we're not a-hols to actual human beings with real feelings) and wait for April. But I'm not holding my breath.

[TomY90]

runwhileucan wrote...

Something tells me this means no extra options or changes, but more clarification and longer ending cutscenes. Is that good? Bad? I don't know, it depends on how it comes out.

depends on how it is done but it sounds like they will fixing plot holes giving explanations during certain scenes and have more being shown after the end sequence i.e. your decisions having consequence. I will be plesantly suprised if they change anything apart from that 

[Heavenly_King]

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Modifié par Heavenly_King, 21 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[Xellith]

I feel that our choices were poorly reflected in the 11th hour of the game. NOTHING you have done matters. NONE of your choices whatsoever make a damn lick of difference.

Its not a sacrifice when you are told you HAVE to die and are not given an option to not die.

Our choices should matter. The ending needs fixing badly.

[Pordis Shepard]

Should this discussion really be in the *no spoilers* forums? Kind of limiting don't you think?

But more to the point, my biggest question is why stray from the original outline of the series by Drew Karpyshyn, without an ending that is well thought out? And I vehemently disagree with anyone who thinks the current "ending" was well thought out.

[InvincibleHero]

About the people saying BW should admit it was a mistake. Not so. They made an ending and you have an opinion that you hate it and it is wrong. That does not make it so. They put out a valid ending according to their POV which is afir and you have a right to criticze it and say I'd like something different because I didn't like it. See it is your personal interpretation and not fact.

[vexus vi]

this. http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[Larask]

Dr. Ray's response is understandable and gives us hope. And while I understand that there may be some that may be attacking the staff, there are many others that are being very respectful and that have pointed out the plot holes and other problems with the endings. With just a bit research here at the forums and Facebook, one can see that. And the fundraiser shows that we really care about ME and that we aren't just being childish about this issue.

So I hope Bioware sees that many of us are being respectful. And pointing out to the perfect scores is not necessarily the best idea. They give the score based on the entire game, and honestly the 98% of the game is perfect except for those last few minutes.

Also, some of the companies that gave the score, such as IGN have been defending while other companies that have nothing to do with games directly such as Forbes see our side better than game companies...

[jimfixedit]

It looks like they honestly believed they had released an excellent product.

Compared to the level set by ME1 and 2, ME3 is sadly lacking. At some point, someone internally must have looked at it and thought\\voiced: This isn’t the same game we made 2 or 5 years ago, do you really think people will be happy with this?

To get out of this hole BW need to stand up and tell people why they decided this was the correct game to release at this time. Explain their reasoning and hope people listen.

On a personal note, if they did believe this was good enough then I would question the checks and balances in place in the company. If I gave something like this to my boss after hitting the mark with 2 earlier versions, I would be grilled about my focus and motive.

To Bioware I would say:

The way the uproar has been handled is inadequate for a customer facing business.
You make games that you then ask people to buy. If your product doesn’t do what the advertising states it does or is inferior in quality, then this will impact your reputation as a company and your capacity to generate income in the future.
Writing complaints off as a “vocal minority” is not sensible in the consumer business. The road to glory is littered with the burnt out shells of companies that thought this.

On the whole "Art" arguement, like any other fictional work, the beginning, middle or end of a video game should have no direct effect on the real world or my place in it, however, even "Art" has direct and indirect effects on reality.

The Da Vinci code (I wouldn't class it as art, toilet paper maybe, but not art) could be classed as art by this generalised definition being thrown around in BW\\EA's defense.
People spent a fortune travelling all round Europe to try and prove to themselves that a fictional story was real and Dan Brown is a prophet.
How many people now have no savings due to a book?

This situation can only hurt your company’s reputation.
This situation can only lead to mistrust about the quality of games you produce and the motives behind their production.
This situation can only lead to customers being more careful with the Pound\\Dollar\\Yen etc in their wallet when it comes to your product offerings.
This situation can only lead to a drop in future sales.
This situation can only lead to job losses.

You have to show respect for your customers and deliver what is promised because the only truth here is, they keep you in business.
You need to show loyalty to your staff and do your very best to keep them in employment.
From the outside it simply looks like you are doing everything in your power to commit corporate suicide on the company, and succeeding.

This ME3 debacle has simply become the poster boy for a series of lacklustre titles recently.
I honestly fear for your future at the moment. You’re on the brink, please try not to jump.

[Heavenly_King]

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Modifié par Heavenly_King, 21 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[InvincibleHero]

corpselover wrote...

Still not willing to admit they messed up, still trying to marginalise fan concerns, and now they themselves are hiding behind the artistic integrity argument. Another non answer. Reading this I have less faith in them that I did before. If that is possible.

Trust you guys? How can you expect me to trust you when you have been so willing to lie to us before.

Your opinion does not mean they messed up. You are free to your interpretation but that does not make it a fact that they are wrong and you are right in your version.

[runwhileucan]

TomY90 wrote...

runwhileucan wrote...

Something tells me this means no extra options or changes, but more clarification and longer ending cutscenes. Is that good? Bad? I don't know, it depends on how it comes out.

depends on how it is done but it sounds like they will fixing plot holes giving explanations during certain scenes and have more being shown after the end sequence i.e. your decisions having consequence. I will be plesantly suprised if they change anything apart from that 

Yeah personally I'd like to see it changed into much better options but really I want something that makes the game worth playing again. I played ME2 3 times and it was still enjoyable. 3 would have had even more replayability if it had more options at the end and reflected your choices.

[electronx]

word.

the fact that nothing elese matters in the end is seriouls damping the replayability factor.

maybe Mordin should have a look at it. Others might get it wrong.

Modifié par electronx, 21 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[Khayness]

Ronin1325 wrote...

I'd hazard a guess that most of us here are looking for *different* endings, not 'clarification' of existing ones. :-/

My fears exactly.

I don't want anything explained, I need those events revisited to be in touch with the game's major themes while providing closure.

[DoctorEss]

It's basically EA-ordered damage control at this point.

The people who actually control Bioware (EA suits) had a mini-panic, realized they might not have as much of a DLC slam dunk as they thought, trotted Ray out to make a statement, in the hopes that upcoming multiplayer DLC would be bought by the fans.

Not falling for it, not buying it.

Bioware themselves are probably in a slight panic here, because I'm sure if DLC sells badly, and they basically have two bombs in a row on their hands (DA2, ME3), things might start looking a little grim.

Too much spin, too much damage control, too much bloody PR. People want straight answers, and to be spoken to frankly. We aren't getting that.

[jackyboy666]

ME3 was an incredible experience. One of the best I have to say. but yes there are issues that need resolving. And I do hope Bioware takes it on board.

#1 Ending - Regardless of whether people didn't like it for its artistic whatever, the fact of the matter is, there is no closure to any of the characters or actions made throughout the game. Creating an ending that reflects this (yes it might take a while to make) I can see ultimatly being one of the most satisfying endings to a game if done properly. Bioware should take into consideration the ideas that are floating about (indoctrination theory etc) are quite fitting and would tie in quite well.

The other plot holes at the end, I'm not too sure how they could be resolved but whatever.

#2 Tali's face. Tali is one of the best characters in ME. She deserves so much more than a stock photo. Get some concepts made from the feedback here on the forums and out there on the web and make her a glorious face we can all see (for the ending?)

#3 the mission update screen. Its horribly disorganized. And very tedious to know what to do and where to go etc. In ME2 if I remember correctly there was main objectives and secondary objectives. This expanded on what to do and where to go and if they could incorporate this in ME3 through the DLC it would be much more helpful

Apart from that, I really cant think of anything else!

If these are sorted it would be fantastic to see what else happens in ME3 DLC related! New characters? New missions etc. The world is Biowares (obviously)

Just give us a ending with closure and one that isn't filled with plotholes!

[jwalker]

i just can't fathom how they said, "hey, this is brilliant ! and fans are gonna love this inspiring and uplifting experience. they're gonna go through with it many times! "

does someone have a video with audio of such moment ?

[wildannie]

 Its good to have some comment from Dr Ray.

I very much hope that it is not only the endings that they are going to look at resolving although I absolutely agree that something must be done to remedy them.  

What ruined my own enjoyment, way before the endings gave the killing blow was that players who chose Femshep (who I expect make up quite a high proportion of the female gamers) were let down very badly with the treatment of two of the LIs (Thane and Jacob).  This was unnesessary and left many of us feeling that we had made the 'wrong' choice in earlier games and were being punished for it.  Also a single straight Femshep who saved ashley in ME1 has no straight LIs available in ME3.  As a female gamer the huge lack of parity between male and female shepard is pretty depressing.  More details on the problems can be found at the following.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9749360/1#9749360

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9729648/1#9729648

In general the ME2 exclusive cast were treated poorly which created a disconnect for players who had roleplayed a Shepard where these characters were important.

www.facebook.com/ProtestingTheTreatmentOfMe2RomancesInMassEffect3


I guess what I feel is that BW should make good on established characters and their potiential varied stories coming in from ME2 before they spend resources on new characters that nobody cares about (because nobody knows them)

Modifié par wildannie, 21 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[ratzerman]

MoonsKisu wrote...

I fully believe that the game was fantastic. All 3 were great and I loved every minute I've spent playing them...until the end. I can accept an unhappy ending, if it made sense and fit in with the rest of the story. This ending just left me with so many unanswered questions. It felt almost tacked on, like it came from an entirely different story.

Very well said. Completely agree.

[Ieldra]

Hmm....that's a better response than I expected. "Maintaining a balance between keeping the artistic vision and addressing fan feedback", that sounds like there might be *some* compromising.

And just to be totally clear: 98% of ME3 were very good to fantastic, with about half of it containing easily the best storytelling I've ever seen in a game. But the end failed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Lux]

Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback.

The message is appreciated but I'll believe it when I see it. A lot was stated before launch that didn't exactly correspond with what people got regarding a fulfilling conclusion to a trilogy.

If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it.

ENDING

- Add more details that explain how we got from point A to Z (a certain "escape" followed by a forced circumstance comes to mind - though that nonsensical part could be scrapped altogether).

- Allow a reject option or other options beyond the deus ex machina spoon-fed decisions; the subservient acceptance conflict with what the main character had stood for, up to that moment.

- Add more cutscenes related with the war assets we were able to acquire. Let them be more than just numbers.

- Closure. What happened to the participants and the galaxy at large?

- Please break the ending into more palatable parts. Allow players to save along the way instead of having to commit for more than one hour to finish the game.

- Indoctrination theory would make for a nice comeback.

OTHERS

- Add a proper quest tracking system; make the journal useful. ME2 is a good example.

- Tali deserves more than a Photoshopped picture. How about a full render when she removes her helmet?

- Allow ALL cutscenes to be skipped.

In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted.

Will do so as soon as the game is finished. I'm waiting to buy ME3 and finish a series that I've been following for 5 years. I'm not particularly amused by having to read (thoroughly) an incomplete masterpiece. I'm looking forward to experience it.

This is a golden opportunity for BioWare to go beyond the limits of a meager time table. You'll get your money back if you do so.

Modifié par Merkar, 21 mars 2012 - 04:33 .