Vromrig wrote...
Please by all means outline your actual arguments and proof. Listen i get it, you like mordin. I like mordin too. If you are going to outline your arguments properly please please type normal. If you have some persona thing going and it means you have to do it by pm to do it normally then do it my pm.
Explain how the statement by catalyst contradict. Explain these npc dialogue mistakes. etc etc.
Unsure how position is unclear.
Catalyst says Shepard will die if choosing option most harmful to Reapers. Shepard in fact only lives if choosing this option. NPC looking in direction of Shepard states that Shepard is not alive, despite showdown with Marauder Shields. Anderson fails to visibly react to being shot in gut. Death suspicious. Not hard evidence, but curious.
Choices not detrimental to Reapers align with goals given to previous Indoctrination victims. Catalyst argument that Reapers are in fact saviors contradictory to Reaper testimony and previous actions. Promises of destruction, annihilation. Arrogance and near hatred, not goal to defend from synthetics.
Also contradictory. Synthetics shown more compassionate than organics throughout series. Further, Reapers enlist aid of synthetics for destruction of organics. Contradiction too blatant to ignore.
Sorry but if that is the best you have it is not good enough.
The catalyst states the geth will die along with the reapers and says,
'even you are partially synthetic.'
Now on the lower destruction endings the catalyst inserts into that dialogue that much of your technology will be destroyed, before saying even you are partially synthetic. In that ending the synthetic components inside shepard stop working, and you do not get a scene at the end where he breathes, and that is the reason you do not get that scene. On higher levels the dialogue about technology being damaged is removed and the only inference is that the geth and reapers will die, aka synthetic life. Shepard is not synthetic life. He has a biological human brain, and this was specifically confirmed in 3. If shepard dies in that scenario then everyone with an artificial organ does too.
Also the catalyst specifically says you die if you choose control or synth. So that part of indoc is in the bin.
The comment on the npc and anderson are zero evidence. Andersons body is being moved like a puppet, just like shepards was when he fired the gun. His expression changes because he has control of his ability to speak and emote. But his body does not react because he is not in control of it at the time. The NPC voice over is dramatic effect, nothing more. It is meant to relate to you the player the hopelessness of the situation. It is a storytelling convenience.
The least damaging goals aligning to saren and the illusivemans wishes mean nothing. Had the illusive mans goal been to cure a disease but his method been the same extensive human testing he performed in the game, it would make the choice to cure the disease no more or no less moral.
As a mordin fan you of all people should understand this. Mordin wished to cure the genophage, but was unwilling to do the experiments on live subjects which his protege went forward with. It meant that both their golas were aligned but did not make mordins choice to cure the genophage any more or less moral. Similarly, choosing to control the reapers does not imply one is indoctrinated, especially since the option to control them is built into the crucible, a device built at great cost to open up new solutions to the problem the reapers were created to address, to offer the catalyst a better alternative.
Soverign described organic life as something to be wiped out in me1, then in the same conversation talked about the cycle. While soverign may have been tough talking, if the reapers really did want all life wiped out as he says, then why did they not reap earth 50 k years ago. We have a mass relay in our system. All the key races in the current ME universe vould have been wiped out but were not. So no matter how tough soverign talked, even back in ME1 the cycle of reaping and more importantly not reaping had been established. Also, looking at ME3, i think the reapers were making pretty good on their promise. We would have been destroyed.
Finally the reapers enlisting the aid of synthetics to wipe out organics is totally reasonable. It is for wiping out us specifically. Their intention from the beginning of ME1 had never changed. They come every 50 k years and wipe out advanced life. Our existence in the game is the proof that their word is true because if they wanted to wipe out all life we would have been gone before we could even be called humans.
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