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[Jaze55]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">But as ] discovered during his research into indoctrination at the facility, there is a balance between control and usefulness. The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become. Saren realized that to keep his mind free of Sovereign's control, he had to make himself an invaluable resource. He believed that Sovereign would allow him a reprieve from indoctrination, because the Reaper needed Saren's mind intact to find the [/color]Conduit. 


DERPPPPPPPPPPPP Saren was still MOSTLY in control of himself and again, look at all the terrible things he did BEFORE VIRMIRE when Sovy implanted him after meeting Shep there.


YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LORE THAT IS CLEAR.

You may not know it, but you have just provided a very valid argument for why the ending was as it is. The reapers were interested in Shepard (how many times in ME2 did Harbinger tell you he was after your mind, and had bigger plans for you). They want Shepard. Just like Cerberus (hint hint) wanted no alterations to be made to him, because they wanted it to be completely him. They need to, as subtley as possible, make Shepard think he is doing everything out of his own will, because, the harder they press on him, the less "Shepard" he becomes. Just like Saren. They realized their flaw with Saren was that Saren was screwed up from the start and didn't have the respect of the people.

Remember the scene from the book when Grayson intentionally steers his shuttle away as a distraction later to find out that he actually steered it towards? The most deadly form of indoctrination is the type that is subtle enough to make you not even realize your actions are not your own, and are actually theirs.

Yeah like Saren? The same Saren that got the Geth, did all that terrible **** in ME1 who was SUBTLY INDOCTRINATED at that point?

When does Shepard EVER do ONE single thing to help reapers at ANY point in ANY game?

Tell me.

Your not understand the concept of being in the process of indoctrination and being fully indoctrinated.

Considering this is the first time, if IT is valid in any case, that we've seen someone like Shepard undergo indoctrination in their own mind, no one can understand that whole concept.  It's an unprecendented situation.  Pretending we understand it all, on either side of the argument, is just fooling ourselves into thinking we know this better than BioWare.

Again, that doesn't mean IT is true or not, only that us trying to get in a **** measuring contest over lore on something that's never happened in the franchise before is ridiculous.

And despite his horrible nature, MassEffected is correct that you can only be indoctrinated and not indoctrinated.  The only middle ground is the process and, in lore, that is a very, very short process.

And where exactly does everone else get indoctrinated? Their pinky toe? EVERYONE get's indoctrinated in their mind idiot. Cerubus was studying this. 

WOW

EDIT- Also Saren was studying this. Remember that Asari lab tech you meet before getting to Sarens office? THEY WERE STUDYING THE EFFECTS OF INDOC ON PEOPLES MINDS!@!!!!!


See idiot you do not know a dam thing about the game.

unprecidented. The only thing unprecidented is your stupidity. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 21 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[booboo645]

I like how you think we are dumb enough to assume that the same laser which shoots people and vaporises them infront of you.. the same laser, breaking through most objects hits you and suddenly becomes a super duper indoctrination laser.. I said this before. You just passed over it.

We are never arguing that, that would be ridiculous. We feel you are just knocked unconcious. The same weakened state you have most dreamy things in.

The reapers kill off each species.. and help them to *ascend* or.. meld with reaper tech in other words.. and you tell me to go look at things? I thought that was all reapers did? Synthesis is them achieving what they always do...

[I Soya I]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

[dreman9999]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">But as ] discovered during his research into indoctrination at the facility, there is a balance between control and usefulness. The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become. Saren realized that to keep his mind free of Sovereign's control, he had to make himself an invaluable resource. He believed that Sovereign would allow him a reprieve from indoctrination, because the Reaper needed Saren's mind intact to find the [/color]Conduit. 


DERPPPPPPPPPPPP Saren was still MOSTLY in control of himself and again, look at all the terrible things he did BEFORE VIRMIRE when Sovy implanted him after meeting Shep there.


YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LORE THAT IS CLEAR.

You may not know it, but you have just provided a very valid argument for why the ending was as it is. The reapers were interested in Shepard (how many times in ME2 did Harbinger tell you he was after your mind, and had bigger plans for you). They want Shepard. Just like Cerberus (hint hint) wanted no alterations to be made to him, because they wanted it to be completely him. They need to, as subtley as possible, make Shepard think he is doing everything out of his own will, because, the harder they press on him, the less "Shepard" he becomes. Just like Saren. They realized their flaw with Saren was that Saren was screwed up from the start and didn't have the respect of the people.

Remember the scene from the book when Grayson intentionally steers his shuttle away as a distraction later to find out that he actually steered it towards? The most deadly form of indoctrination is the type that is subtle enough to make you not even realize your actions are not your own, and are actually theirs.

Yeah like Saren? The same Saren that got the Geth, did all that terrible **** in ME1 who was SUBTLY INDOCTRINATED at that point?

When does Shepard EVER do ONE single thing to help reapers at ANY point in ANY game?

Tell me.

Your not understand the concept of being in the process of indoctrination and being fully indoctrinated.

Considering this is the first time, if IT is valid in any case, that we've seen someone like Shepard undergo indoctrination in their own mind, no one can understand that whole concept.  It's an unprecendented situation.  Pretending we understand it all, on either side of the argument, is just fooling ourselves into thinking we know this better than BioWare.

Again, that doesn't mean IT is true or not, only that us trying to get in a **** measuring contest over lore on something that's never happened in the franchise before is ridiculous.

And despite his horrible nature, MassEffected is correct that you can only be indoctrinated and not indoctrinated.  The only middle ground is the process and, in lore, that is a very, very short process.

But we do know. Take in point Paul Greayson from the mass effect books. He was implanted by cerberus with reaper tech and was able to resist the attempt.  He only feel to it because Cerberus forcably broke his will with red sand. It made clear from ME1 the it comes in stages. The most common ones we see are mindless fallowers and agents that keep their minds.

[Jaze55]

I Soya I wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

Again for the stupid people.

Start a new game. Pick a character. Get to the last screen called PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE.

Tell me what it says.

[Tsantilas]

You realize of course, that if you haven't played the arrival DLC, that the story assumes someone else blows up the relay because Shepard wasn't there right? What does Arrival have to do with anything?

[Caedryn Stonelaw]

Adding onto the Indoctrination theory, what if The options starchild offer Shepard are just a way of showing him what should be done on the citadel after he wakes up, like a priming guide for his assistance of the reapers. The reapers WANT all of the relays destroyed, it shuts down the intergalactic movement like they wanted with saren in ME1 so they could overtake each species at a leisurely pace.

I have been thinking about the theory in class today, and what if instead of the starchild being a reaper AI in the citadel, it is Harbinger in Shepard's mind trying to convince and show him what to do once he submits to full indoctrination with the synthesis and control endings. Only when you reach a different conclusion that says you still want to destroythe reapers does Shepard wake up. Perhaps Harbinger only winged Shepard with the beam in order to arrange the unconscious meeting during the galaxy's massive push against the reapers.

[Lethys1]

 I just hope they tell us like 9 months after all this is over what really happened.

[DESTRAUDO]

Vomrig, just in case my reply got buried.

http://social.biowar...347/13#10398541

[ArkkAngel007]

Adagimp wrote...

Here's my take on the the IT.

Recent posts by the top dogs at Bioware really do make it seem like indoctrination was not intended, but even if it was not the company's intention they are still poised to use it and be perceived as having pulled off one of the greatest deceits in history. The IT could be easily implemented via the DLC in April and as long as no one at Bioware says anything, then how would we know that they didn't intend to use it all along? Bioware has every reason to take the IT theory and run with it.

Correct, though it will still cause anger.

Most of that anger is due to the fact that IT would mean that BioWare didn't ship with an ending, in which that anger is understandable.

I also like to address the "denial" and "conspiracy" tags.  First, denial would mean we don't accept the endings.  Most IT supporters had and continue to accept it.  However, how the perceived the ending is different.  It's like the "did it fall or not" perception in Inception (It did ).  

Second, the conspiracy theory tag depends on how people present their idea of IT, as it's just as different as how people present the ending cutscene of what the ending is at face-value (which it may or may not be, that isn't the point here).  Those thinking it was some grand master plan to pull the chain of consumers and release a true ending down the line, yes, are conspiracy theorists.  Those who just look at the endings in a different way though are just taking a different artistic view of what was given without the expectation of said-master plan are no different than those who took it literally, just different views.

[IST]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I was thinking that after Ray's response (http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/) and Hudson's response last week - the InDoc Theory (as much as I support it) - was probably not planned afterall.

I believe that if the InDoc theory will appear in a future DLC - it is probably due to community feedback - rather than original intend.

Hey if I had a game with an ending where everyone complains, and a lot of people see hints about how to continue the series: If that wasn't my original intention and I wanted to make changes - why not incorporate something that seems to resonate with a lot of people.

Sure - this whole thing still could have been planned - I supported that stance for as long as I could - but after seeing two official responses from BioWare - none of which discussed that it was their original intend to continue the series - it seems a bit unlikely that the InDoc theory was planned.

Or let me put it in other words: If anything of the InDoc theory is correct - as I've already stated in another thread: I don't see why BioWare drops more hints about it - given the huge controversy that sparked - with EA even accepting refunds of the game.

So to summarize: Sure the InDoc theory might still happen - but reading Ray's announcement it doesn't seem like it was their original intention.

Thoughts? 

I have a different view - I believe they planned Indoctrination Theory, but screwed up the delivery in-game and out.

In-game - the tips/hints/evidence was too hard to spot for most - which there are a sh****load of, and great videos to explain to people (which includes myself, I didn't click at all first run through In-game.. I was as confused/raged/looking to the net for answers as anyone).

Out of Game - They probably were going to let it marinate for a while : aka : give themselves a break post production as most companies do, then get to DLC, but the rage fest demanded answers, and coming right out and saying "We have an Indoctrinated Ending planned guys!" would 1)  Kill the effect for the crapload of people still buying/not finishing the game, and 2) Destroy the mystery and effectively the valuable mystique and allure of the theory.

Either way you look at it, we are getting endgame DLC.

The only way they can maintain artistic integrity and stay true to the original story AND "Continue the adventure" is with Indoctrinated Theory.  If it was pre-meditated, or adopted will be the new debate no doubt, but in my mind - they intended the general direction of Indoctrinated Theory all along, but may have wanted to see fan reaction and gather feedback before production of it to make it as customised as possible.

I'm a happy camper regardless - I'm off to the nearest bar for a celebratory beer with equally stoked mates. Good times. :D:D

Modifié par DEMIKLY, 21 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Jaze55]

dreman9999 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">But as ] discovered during his research into indoctrination at the facility, there is a balance between control and usefulness. The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become. Saren realized that to keep his mind free of Sovereign's control, he had to make himself an invaluable resource. He believed that Sovereign would allow him a reprieve from indoctrination, because the Reaper needed Saren's mind intact to find the [/color]Conduit. 


DERPPPPPPPPPPPP Saren was still MOSTLY in control of himself and again, look at all the terrible things he did BEFORE VIRMIRE when Sovy implanted him after meeting Shep there.


YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LORE THAT IS CLEAR.

You may not know it, but you have just provided a very valid argument for why the ending was as it is. The reapers were interested in Shepard (how many times in ME2 did Harbinger tell you he was after your mind, and had bigger plans for you). They want Shepard. Just like Cerberus (hint hint) wanted no alterations to be made to him, because they wanted it to be completely him. They need to, as subtley as possible, make Shepard think he is doing everything out of his own will, because, the harder they press on him, the less "Shepard" he becomes. Just like Saren. They realized their flaw with Saren was that Saren was screwed up from the start and didn't have the respect of the people.

Remember the scene from the book when Grayson intentionally steers his shuttle away as a distraction later to find out that he actually steered it towards? The most deadly form of indoctrination is the type that is subtle enough to make you not even realize your actions are not your own, and are actually theirs.

Yeah like Saren? The same Saren that got the Geth, did all that terrible **** in ME1 who was SUBTLY INDOCTRINATED at that point?

When does Shepard EVER do ONE single thing to help reapers at ANY point in ANY game?

Tell me.

Your not understand the concept of being in the process of indoctrination and being fully indoctrinated.

Considering this is the first time, if IT is valid in any case, that we've seen someone like Shepard undergo indoctrination in their own mind, no one can understand that whole concept.  It's an unprecendented situation.  Pretending we understand it all, on either side of the argument, is just fooling ourselves into thinking we know this better than BioWare.

Again, that doesn't mean IT is true or not, only that us trying to get in a **** measuring contest over lore on something that's never happened in the franchise before is ridiculous.

And despite his horrible nature, MassEffected is correct that you can only be indoctrinated and not indoctrinated.  The only middle ground is the process and, in lore, that is a very, very short process.

But we do know. Take in point Paul Greayson from the mass effect books. He was implanted by cerberus with reaper tech and was able to resist the attempt.  He only feel to it because Cerberus forcably broke his will with red sand. It made clear from ME1 the it comes in stages. The most common ones we see are mindless fallowers and agents that keep their minds.

I know I am being horrible. I don't care. I am sick of this

You have all these people saying they love the game yet know nothing about the lore. STFU if you were really a fan you would know all I have said is 100% accurate according to the games lore. I don't have time for people that BULL**** me saying they are fans when they know NOTHING about the lore. 

FAIRWEATHER FANS. I don't want you at Yankee Stadium and I don't want you destroying all the logic and lore of the game I love just to make your stupid assanine theory right for the last TEN MINUTES of the series.

[Caedryn Stonelaw]

MassEffected555 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

Again for the stupid people.

Start a new game. Pick a character. Get to the last screen called PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE.

Tell me what it says.

No, what I'm asking is during the events of mass effect three, after what events in the story do the ghostly forest and buring child nightmares pop up, I'm curious to see if they only occur after major pushbacks against the reapers, sort of as a way to attempt to reassert the indoctrination process.

[dreman9999]

MassEffected555 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">But as ] discovered during his research into indoctrination at the facility, there is a balance between control and usefulness. The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become. Saren realized that to keep his mind free of Sovereign's control, he had to make himself an invaluable resource. He believed that Sovereign would allow him a reprieve from indoctrination, because the Reaper needed Saren's mind intact to find the [/color]Conduit. 


DERPPPPPPPPPPPP Saren was still MOSTLY in control of himself and again, look at all the terrible things he did BEFORE VIRMIRE when Sovy implanted him after meeting Shep there.


YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LORE THAT IS CLEAR.

You may not know it, but you have just provided a very valid argument for why the ending was as it is. The reapers were interested in Shepard (how many times in ME2 did Harbinger tell you he was after your mind, and had bigger plans for you). They want Shepard. Just like Cerberus (hint hint) wanted no alterations to be made to him, because they wanted it to be completely him. They need to, as subtley as possible, make Shepard think he is doing everything out of his own will, because, the harder they press on him, the less "Shepard" he becomes. Just like Saren. They realized their flaw with Saren was that Saren was screwed up from the start and didn't have the respect of the people.

Remember the scene from the book when Grayson intentionally steers his shuttle away as a distraction later to find out that he actually steered it towards? The most deadly form of indoctrination is the type that is subtle enough to make you not even realize your actions are not your own, and are actually theirs.

Yeah like Saren? The same Saren that got the Geth, did all that terrible **** in ME1 who was SUBTLY INDOCTRINATED at that point?

When does Shepard EVER do ONE single thing to help reapers at ANY point in ANY game?

Tell me.

Your not understand the concept of being in the process of indoctrination and being fully indoctrinated.

Considering this is the first time, if IT is valid in any case, that we've seen someone like Shepard undergo indoctrination in their own mind, no one can understand that whole concept.  It's an unprecendented situation.  Pretending we understand it all, on either side of the argument, is just fooling ourselves into thinking we know this better than BioWare.

Again, that doesn't mean IT is true or not, only that us trying to get in a **** measuring contest over lore on something that's never happened in the franchise before is ridiculous.

And despite his horrible nature, MassEffected is correct that you can only be indoctrinated and not indoctrinated.  The only middle ground is the process and, in lore, that is a very, very short process.

And where exactly does everone else get indoctrinated? Their pinky toe? EVERYONE get's indoctrinated in their mind idiot. Cerubus was studying this. 

WOW

EDIT- Also Saren was studying this. Remember that Asari lab tech you meet before getting to Sarens office? THEY WERE STUDYING THE EFFECTS OF INDOC ON PEOPLES MINDS!@!!!!!


See idiot you do not know a dam thing about the game.

unprecidented. The only thing unprecidented is your stupidity. 

1. That Asari agent becomes attacks asari diplomatesasasleeper agent.
2.Shep first start getting indoctrinated in the arrival dlc.
3. Seran only found out about indoctrination well after alot of contact with Sovergin. At the point he trys to protect himself it's too late.

[byne]

MassEffected555 wrote...


The reapers goal is NOT to turn everyone synthetic you twit. Where the hell did you come up with that nonsense.

MassEffected555 wrote...


EDIT- let me be clear. The reapers goal is to stop organics making that dumb "tech singularity" or whatever we are calling it BY harvesting organinc life and then...

STORING THEM IN REAPER FORM.

I kinda got the idea from the second part I quoted.

Yknow, the part where they turn everyone into synthetic/organic hybrids.

[Shayuri]

It's not often I say this, but I suggest people stop engaging MassEffected555 on the subject. He's either trolling or won't be moved. Either way, there's nothing constructive to gain from continuing to argue with him.

[Ghrelt]

Please stop responding to the individual whose every other word is an insult. You cannot convince this individual and every time you quote them you're repeating what they said.

Despite the Word of God that came down today, I still think Indoctrination Theory makes more sense than the ending.

I think slow indoctrination is more like manipulation. They slowly warp your perceptions until you actually use your free will to follow them. Your own free will is a more powerful weapon for the reapers than a mindless puppet would be.

[Jaze55]

Tsantilas wrote...

You realize of course, that if you haven't played the arrival DLC, that the story assumes someone else blows up the relay because Shepard wasn't there right? What does Arrival have to do with anything?

No they don't know that. They obviously don't pay attention. If they did they would know when you talk to that one Batarian in the Citadel docking bay that he says.

"The Alliance blew up my start system"

If you remember and PAID ATTENTION in Arrival Hackett states

" If things go bad you are on your own, the Alliance can't protect you from this" Or something of that nature.

Again, you people are NOT fans. You just pretend to be. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 21 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[dreman9999]

MassEffected555 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

Again for the stupid people.

Start a new game. Pick a character. Get to the last screen called PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE.

Tell me what it says.

Your saying that bw should tell us state up that Shep is being indoctrinated...Even though they want us to guess and speculate it?

[byne]

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

Again for the stupid people.

Start a new game. Pick a character. Get to the last screen called PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE.

Tell me what it says.

No, what I'm asking is during the events of mass effect three, after what events in the story do the ghostly forest and buring child nightmares pop up, I'm curious to see if they only occur after major pushbacks against the reapers, sort of as a way to attempt to reassert the indoctrination process.

I think you get the first one after recruiting Garrus, though I could be mistaken on the timing of that one.

You get another after the genophage cure.

You also get one right before attacking TIM's base

[Jaze55]

Shayuri wrote...

It's not often I say this, but I suggest people stop engaging MassEffected555 on the subject. He's either trolling or won't be moved. Either way, there's nothing constructive to gain from continuing to argue with him.

Stop breaking all the lore of the game and I'll stop.

Until then you are destroying everying about the games, that we all supposedly love.

[ArkkAngel007]

MassEffected555 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

Again for the stupid people.

Start a new game. Pick a character. Get to the last screen called PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE.

Tell me what it says.

It is clear that the dreams are most likely the symptom of PTSD.  It's in the psych profile, it's in the script, and the voices Shepard hears in them tie into that.

Even if IT is valid, there's a difference between foreshadowing and actual signs of indoctrination.  If you want a theory to stand, take baby steps with it, don't just throw all your chips in and say everything supports it.

[Jaze55]

byne wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Caedryn Stonelaw wrote...

I have another question, after what events do shepard's nightmares occur?

Arrival.

Earth actually.  Unless you've seen anything I haven't.

And Earth was after Arrival. Besides, I assumed his question was worded incorrectly and was meant to ask when indoctrination was supposed to start. I was under the impression that it started at Arrival and the real life image of the boy was actually a hallucination.

Again for the stupid people.

Start a new game. Pick a character. Get to the last screen called PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE.

Tell me what it says.

No, what I'm asking is during the events of mass effect three, after what events in the story do the ghostly forest and buring child nightmares pop up, I'm curious to see if they only occur after major pushbacks against the reapers, sort of as a way to attempt to reassert the indoctrination process.

I think you get the first one after recruiting Garrus, though I could be mistaken on the timing of that one.

You get another after the genophage cure.

You also get one right before attacking TIM's base

Pretty sure after you complete the first Priority mission - OR it might be after you get Liara. Pretty sure after the first priority mission.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

If Indoc Theory was real all along do you really think they'd just come out and say it? No. They'd be doing just what they' are doing now... And when this ending DLC finally comes to pass I believe the community as a whole will be overjoyed just watching it play out instead of knowing what exactly to expect.

[Ultra Prism]

DaosX wrote...

Have you guys ever considered that, maybe...JUST MAYBE...he's lying?

I mean, it's not THE FIRST TIME Bioware has lied to us...

Now this is what I suspect