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[Capeo]

Navasha wrote...

I saw nothing in there that either confirms or denies anything in particular as is the case with most officially released statements. It was simply a statement of support that they stand by their product and the team that made it.

The only thing that it does confirm is that there will be future Mass Effect content both for ME3 and new games.

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility. 

Reading is fundamental.  THE GAME"S ENDINGS.  As in final.  As in period.  As in the actual endings.

[Tsantilas]

The game is complete -> Indoctrination Theory would leave the game with Shepard waking up from a dream if you picked 1 of 16 possible endings meaning reapers aren't defeated -> incomplete ending -> Indoctrination Theory doesn't work.

Just let it die already.

[dreman9999]

Nothing Casey or Ray said has disproven the indoctrination theory.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[Kanon777]

They wont go away, trust me

[dreman9999]

Capeo wrote...

Navasha wrote...

I saw nothing in there that either confirms or denies anything in particular as is the case with most officially released statements. It was simply a statement of support that they stand by their product and the team that made it.

The only thing that it does confirm is that there will be future Mass Effect content both for ME3 and new games.

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility. 

Reading is fundamental.  THE GAME"S ENDINGS.  As in final.  As in period.  As in the actual endings.

That means nothing. I doesn't say they are not adding more. He just say that fans are upset with what is there.

[g0dhax0rz]

It's worded to placate people without giving any kind of commitment to any thing. The could do whatever they want from here on out and that statement won't contradict any of it. It just looked really bad that there was such a lack of official statements. They're trying to control the backslide of the game and keep a handle on the money. They're desperately trying to keep people to hold on their games while they scramble to give us more content (that they will likely charge for).

[DESTRAUDO]

Funny you should say that, i was super happy with my option. Indoc on the other hand was a neat way for people who chose the renegade ending to convince themselves it was paragon. Guess that is down the tube. The fact that the ending as is was meant to be the ending, that there was to be no 'reveal' ending down the line proves that indoc was never considered by the devs. Even now, indocs cannot accept it.

darkiddd wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Now indoc is most likely wrong that means the ending was even worse than it looked at first, because they completely accidentally slipped in a dozen clues it was fake in an otherwise well written and designed game.

And DESTRAUDO, does it make you feel like a big man to randomly insult strangers on the internet?

Who did i insult? I am just glad that the absolute joke that was indoctrination theroy is now laid to rest. Indoc fanatics would see zero reason on the subject what so ever and denied the massive vault of information that proved they were wrong, and claimed everyone else failed to connect the dots. They claimed everyone who chose control or synth was indoctrinated. They get to eat crow. 

With what you have written it's so obvious you chose synthesis or control man  scared you might have made the bad choice?

And this doesn't change anything. It doesn't support post indoctrination ending nor it dismantles it. 

Bioware might be lying and they already planned a post indoctrination ending.
Or they aren't lying and still they will go for the indoctrination theory the fans have come up with (highly unlikely because evidence proves Bioware had already thought about this and the fans just connected the dots)
Or they will go for other ending

What's important here is the confirmation that they will change the ending. How much and in what form is remained to be seen.

[Kanon777]

dreman9999 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Navasha wrote...

I saw nothing in there that either confirms or denies anything in particular as is the case with most officially released statements. It was simply a statement of support that they stand by their product and the team that made it.

The only thing that it does confirm is that there will be future Mass Effect content both for ME3 and new games.

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility. 

Reading is fundamental.  THE GAME"S ENDINGS.  As in final.  As in period.  As in the actual endings.

That means nothing. I doesn't say they are not adding more. He just say that fans are upset with what is there.

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[dreman9999]

DrFrankenseuss wrote...

I think indoctrination theory will definately not appear in the revisions because the writers are the ones who patch up the holes, not us. We just point em out.

They did not patch up anything.

[dreman9999]

tobito113 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Navasha wrote...

I saw nothing in there that either confirms or denies anything in particular as is the case with most officially released statements. It was simply a statement of support that they stand by their product and the team that made it.

The only thing that it does confirm is that there will be future Mass Effect content both for ME3 and new games.

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility. 

Reading is fundamental.  THE GAME"S ENDINGS.  As in final.  As in period.  As in the actual endings.

That means nothing. I doesn't say they are not adding more. He just say that fans are upset with what is there.

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 "So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations"

Means.

We know you don't like what is there.....

It says nothing else.

[Fingertrip]

Rofl, it's funny to see people in such denial and oblivious to what is so obvious for people who are aware of the Indoctrination + Mass Effect story.

The Indoctrination "Theory" is not a theory, it's a tutorial and explanation for the oblivious CoD/BF fanboys who never touched Mass Effect until now, or they never listened to the story, or read it. It's so blatanly obvious that it's painful.

Or people are just stupid, or trolling. Take a pick.

[Stratocast8]

I don't really get all the hate directed at the Indoc Theory people. I mean I can see how people would not like that it makes it so that there is only one "right" choice during that sequence, but I would think that would lead to criticism of Bioware for designing it that way as opposed to people who came up with the theory. (If the IT ever turns out to be true).

Whether or not you think there are issues with the Indoc Theory, there are issues with the ending if taken literally as well, so I don't see how that gets anyone anywhere.

[lynch108]

Yeah, still a believer in indoctrination theory. They decided to make the announcement at PAX and they're sticking to it. They're holding their own line. All this is delaying tactics to appease fans until announcement. I'm going to be stubborn about this. I just can't buy that their writers fumbled on the one yard line.

[Podge 90]

People supporting the Indoctrination interpretation do so not because they feel it should have ended that way, but because given what we were presented with, it was the only one that suggested Bioware had a clue what they were doing.

Nobody needs Indoctrination, they need a decent and rounded ending.  This response shows they acknowledge there's a problem.

[N7L4D]

It does not disprove the indoc theory any more than Hudson's earlier response did (i.e. it doesn't). If their plan was to announce it in April on PAX (one month from the first release date, makes sense), they're simply sticking to it and doing their best to keep the player base calm (relatively speaking).

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April."

- those are the key words in the whole message.

[Nimrodell]

As I said several times on this forum, no matter that so many people find 'clues' to indoctrination theory, BW didn't go for that in ME3 and from the form of the endings themselves it was obvious. I just hope if BW decides to go with this fan made proposition, they won't punish all those players that chosen synthesis or control ending and go for Angry Joe's ideas or whoever actually came up with those... that would be truly stupid. Indoctrination theory asks for redoing the rest of the game too, not just endings, otherwise ME3 is misleading through the entire story with new plot holes popping up.

[g0dhax0rz]

What worries me the most is that their "closure" fixes may make as little sense as their original one did. If they honestly put forth THAT ending and gave it their seal of approval, I'm a bit frightened what their fixes look like.

Modifié par g0dhax0rz, 21 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[spz123]

Its amazing how people, on either side of the arguement, grasp things from any statement that simply isn't there. But then again, I guess thats bound to happen when all statements are so vague.

Still, at least a date has been given now when we should expect something concrete.

[Myskal1981]

People need to differentiate between what was intended when released and what will happen in the future.

Did Bioware intend to write an indoc ending, intend the players to find the clues, create a PR backlash as a great PR stunt? --> No, I don't think so. The official statements, Bioware's behaviour in general speak against it.

Will Bioware provide a new Ending? --> Probable as the fan reaction is so negative.
Will the new ending include indoctrination? --> Probable as it can work nicely with the current endings.

[DESTRAUDO]

This is why there is joy at watching the indoc theory go down.

'The Indoctrination Theory IS the ending we recieved, it's not something that requires any changing either, and Bioware is sticking to it, since they know they've got more lined up to actually answer all these oblivious people of the Mass Effect franchise. 

The twitter responses, everything indicates to Indoctrination being accurate, and if you're a nay-sayer, you're not even a Mass Effect fan, or "enthusiast". I'd guess more on the lines of some CoD fanboy if anything, and the story just passed right through your head, and you didn't absord any information that was said in the previous two games, or let-alone the Novels.'

Because if one does not buy into it they are not 'true fans'  and are COD fanboys. 

Stratocast8 wrote...

I don't really get all the hate directed at the Indoc Theory people. I mean I can see how people would not like that it makes it so that there is only one "right" choice during that sequence, but I would think that would lead to criticism of Bioware for designing it that way as opposed to people who came up with the theory. (If the IT ever turns out to be true).

Whether or not you think there are issues with the Indoc Theory, there are issues with the ending if taken literally as well, so I don't see how that gets anyone anywhere.

[Capeo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Navasha wrote...

I saw nothing in there that either confirms or denies anything in particular as is the case with most officially released statements. It was simply a statement of support that they stand by their product and the team that made it.

The only thing that it does confirm is that there will be future Mass Effect content both for ME3 and new games.

As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility. 

Reading is fundamental.  THE GAME"S ENDINGS.  As in final.  As in period.  As in the actual endings.

That means nothing. I doesn't say they are not adding more. He just say that fans are upset with what is there.

So words and sentences mean nothing now?  Is that how far down the well of delusion the IT crowd has fallen now?  The most powerful man in BW straight out tells you the endings are what they are and defends them and still you can't accept facts?

You've gone from creationist to flat earther now.

[LolaLei]

I liked the idea of the indoctrination theory as a way to salvage the current endings BUT I suspect the only reason there is any suggestion of indoctrination in the first place is all down to the fact that originally they were going to have Shepard become indoctrinated in the game but they cut it due to it messing with the game mechanics (as they stated in the final hours of ME3 app.)

... Looks like they just hashed together a bunch of concept scenes in the rush to get the game out in time and didn't bother to clean it up properly.

[darkiddd]

Tsantilas wrote...

The game is complete -> Indoctrination Theory would leave the game with Shepard waking up from a dream if you picked 1 of 16 possible endings meaning reapers aren't defeated -> incomplete ending -> Indoctrination Theory doesn't work.

Just let it die already.

And there's where the ending dlc would fill that hole... was this necesary to be said?

[Capeo]

Myskal1981 wrote...

People need to differentiate between what was intended when released and what will happen in the future.

Did Bioware intend to write an indoc ending, intend the players to find the clues, create a PR backlash as a great PR stunt? --> No, I don't think so. The official statements, Bioware's behaviour in general speak against it.

Will Bioware provide a new Ending? --> Probable as the fan reaction is so negative.
Will the new ending include indoctrination? --> Probable as it can work nicely with the current endings.

Not probable at all.  They are not going to invalidate all the reviews and their "artistic integrity" by retconning two of the choices you make in the ending they intended.  They will "clarify" them which I would expect would be the addition of some epilogues.

[Subject M]

As I stated before:

"The so called indoctrination theory have both advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that gives opportunity to salvage the whole mess, but doing so would be both expensive and require the ending being a free DLC (as it would be a prime example of the "full price for incomplete game" problem if you had to pay for it). It would also violate the developers vision IF it was not planned as an hallucination from the start."

I could see them fixing the "original ending non indoctrination-style" like this:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9961224/1#9961224

Modifié par Subject M, 21 mars 2012 - 04:17 .