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[xeNNN]

Stygian1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

*snip*

Well said.

Thanks, I just really needed to make this topic because I was feeling pretty irritated by their response. 

dont worry your not alone on that feeling my friend!

[Valk72]

terdferguson123 wrote...
As I have stated hundreds of times, the game just came out, not everyone finishes 40-50 hour
games in a couple of weeks.

Please! ME3 doesn't take 40-50 hours to finish! 30 hours at maximum. In my case, it took something like 25 hours and i did all the secondary quest! Stop lying please!

[Gill Kaiser]

I couldn't agree more with your first point. What worried me about Dr. Muzyka and Casey Hudson's responses is that they are fixated on the closure aspect. While it's true that we do want closure, that is most certainly not the only, or even the main, concern. The endings just don't work, thematically or as part of a game series whose strength was player choice. They're Gainax Endings, pure and simple.

Your second point I disagree with. I think that overall Mass Effect 3 is a phenomenal game, and I enjoyed practically every minute of it up until Harbinger's beam hit my Shepard. That the horrible ending has soured the experience for me is an understatement, but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of ME3 was top-notch.

[Giguelingueling]

Thank you op

[jcmccorm]

If you call it art, you've got an argument that BioWare compromised the artistic integrity of Mass Effect with a last minute shoestring budget rewrite of a minimal ending. It took a little chutzpah to blame the audience for calling them out, and then accusing THEM of wanting to compromise the artistic quality of Mass Effect. Wow! I'm not sure I would have even THOUGHT to have tried that!

If you say it isn't art, well, the ending got really cheap really quick and didn't maintain quality in any way. That's what happens when the bean counters come in and tell you that you're over time/budget and you need to wrap things up sooner than planned.

[terdferguson123]

refuse81 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

jcmccorm wrote...

This part gets me, too:

We’re working hard to maintain the right
balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while
addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.

I think he hit the nail on the head, but in the opposite way.

The fans are saying, "your last minute shoestring budget rewrite of the ending compromised the artistic integrity of mass effect." Fan feedback is 100% in sync with artistic integrity. It was the time/budget constraints that forced the compromise of the artistic work at BioWare. The fans are asking for an uncompromised work with an ending quality that is consistent with everything up until that point.

This. Art is created to please, if it does not please or engage, then it is not art. 

Have you seen art before? Art is art because not everyone likes it, some people aquire a taste for it over time, some never do.

Sounds familiar.

Yes, some like rotten food and others don't but it's not art.

That analogy had absolutely nothing to do with my point...

The comment said that if it does not please then it is not art. I am stating that the vast majority of art does not please everyone. Some people just do not like it, that is what makes it art, that different people based on their personality/situations will all get different things from it, whether that be pleasure all the way down to hate/disagreement.

[zephyr2025]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Have you seen art before? Art is art because not everyone likes it, some people aquire a taste for it over time, some never do.

Sounds familiar.

Yes art is anything created with the intent of being art, but this is also a product that people payed 60 dollars for.

[bydoritos]

well said.

[ApplesauceBandit]

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Wow talk about being a Tool.

So we want to hold the line? whats wrong with that, if you wanna Defend bioware then go head but don't insult the rest of us for standing up for what we think is right (Not being Lied to)

[TheBandit554]

Wow really? This is a MASSIVE step. They came right out and TOLD us they are changing the endings. I apologize if you expect them to just automatically pump out some DLC, because these things take time to develop, otherwise THAT would be space magic.

Secondly, WE do LOVE Mass Effect, even the third, you cannot say you do not love that game because otherwise you wouldn't be here. Those ratings are unfair and you know it, why people would do that is unheard of to me. Also, ALL we want is closure, even if Shepard dies, even if Space God Child Thing stays, we just want to know what happened to the universe. Anything else would be complete bull****.

So, to conclude; lay off Bioware guys, you got what YOU WANTED and now they have agreed ot take action. If they don't respond to you, it's because you are being an **** and providing destructive advice not constructive. Right now you are all being very immature with comments like: "I'm never buying a Bioware product again" or "This ending ruined my favorite franchise" and even "I used to trust Bioware and the developers until this".

Great guys, I'll be patient and wait for the DLC and trust in Bioware to correct the ending for so many "fans". I hope you jerks find a string of thankfulness and lose that self-entitled attitude most of you carry around so that you all can join myself and the other few loyal fans who still believe in Bioware and will forever keep playing their games.

Thank you and learn some modesty.

[SaladinDheonqar]

Voiced most of the stuff that was going through my head after reading their latest statement. Thanks OP.

[Vikali]

ApplesauceBandit wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Wow talk about being a Tool.

So we want to hold the line? whats wrong with that, if you wanna Defend bioware then go head but don't insult the rest of us for standing up for what we think is right (Not being Lied to)

Please, try to keep it civil. Even if someone else is being hostile, you need to rise above and be the adult or you do nothing but hurt your own cause.

[Stygian1]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Have you seen art before? Art is art because not everyone likes it, some people aquire a taste for it over time, some never do.

Sounds familiar.

I'd like to say I know I wouldn't like you IRL. I'm not insulting you, I just see we both have very different opinions.

As for art, here is what dictionary.com thinks of it:

     art:the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

     This is really what I consider as the definition of art (we don't need to argue about it, we can have two different view points), and using this as a definition I don't believe the ending we got was in anyway, any form of art. 


EDIT: I apologize, my formating skills make it look like someone just bashed their face against my sentences...

Modifié par Stygian1, 21 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Daedalus1773]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Wow really? This is a MASSIVE step. They came right out and TOLD us they are changing the endings.

Reading comprehension fail.

He said they were working on content to "clarify" the endings. This word is not synonymous with "changing."

[CRISIS1717]

Bandit they said they are going to provide more closure and make the ending clearer.

It's like building an extension onto a shack, in the end it's still a rundown shack.

[juliannacorn]

Blanket statements like the one recently made just fuel the drive to "hold the line". He states the critics approve of the game. IGN with their skewed perspective and Penny Arcade who also weren't fans of the ending. He states it's a matter of "core" fans being upset about the lack of closure, but we've said time and time again that it's the completely nonsensical ending that is abhorrent to our love of the Mass Effect universe.

No PR statement has made any reference to the story incongruities, or touched on the real reason we hold the line. The fact that they promised us one thing, and gave us another.

[Stygian1]

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

Voiced most of the stuff that was going through my head after reading their latest statement. Thanks OP.

Thanks for the support guys  It means a lot.

I hope someone from BioWare gets a chance to read this. 


Hold the Line. 

[jcmccorm]

CRISIS1717 wrote...
Bandit they said they are going to provide more closure and make the ending clearer.
It's like building an extension onto a shack, in the end it's still a rundown shack.

Fire detected in the Stalemate Resolution Annex!

[terdferguson123]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Wow really? This is a MASSIVE step. They came right out and TOLD us they are changing the endings. I apologize if you expect them to just automatically pump out some DLC, because these things take time to develop, otherwise THAT would be space magic.

Secondly, WE do LOVE Mass Effect, even the third, you cannot say you do not love that game because otherwise you wouldn't be here. Those ratings are unfair and you know it, why people would do that is unheard of to me. Also, ALL we want is closure, even if Shepard dies, even if Space God Child Thing stays, we just want to know what happened to the universe. Anything else would be complete bull****.

So, to conclude; lay off Bioware guys, you got what YOU WANTED and now they have agreed ot take action. If they don't respond to you, it's because you are being an **** and providing destructive advice not constructive. Right now you are all being very immature with comments like: "I'm never buying a Bioware product again" or "This ending ruined my favorite franchise" and even "I used to trust Bioware and the developers until this".

Great guys, I'll be patient and wait for the DLC and trust in Bioware to correct the ending for so many "fans". I hope you jerks find a string of thankfulness and lose that self-entitled attitude most of you carry around so that you all can join myself and the other few loyal fans who still believe in Bioware and will forever keep playing their games.

Thank you and learn some modesty.

About time someone else with some perspective joined in.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 21 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Dragoni89]

to the article posted by the OP. Don't know wether to laugh or cry. The article is a joke. Just look at how mass effect 3 is selling ATM and the price drop with in the first 2 weeks we have the game selling at 40-45 bucks. Bet you did not see that one coming. Notice how he says more pasionate people don't like endings lmao. It ****ing universally accepted the ending was garbage in some way or form even in bioware a own words. A majority that bought the game were not pleased with the ending. critics that you bought out gave it a 10 or 9 out of 10, but look at user scores and Amazon have 2 star rating that's probably the worst bioware has ever done on any game. Not going to give us an A,B,C ending but a blue green red one is okay huh? Seariously stop adding fuel to the fire with your stupid articles that ignores what is wrong. Just. admit you chocked at the end. IF THIS HOW BIOWARE rewards their fans and people who buy their games than they can go **** themselves cause your sales are going to drop period and I am defiantly one of those that will not buy another one of your games. 

 and to the poster that told entitled people to shut up. well bioware made promises about the endings in their comments leading up to the final release. I think I am at least entitled to what I was promised since I preordered the game based on those comments. which turned out to be lies. You can call it being childish but no one buys a bad product to consider ME3 a bad product is an understatement since it destroyed the experience of ME1 and ME2 if you played those in the past. If not don't talk. Once you lose people's trust it's gonna be pretty hard to get it back.

Note Dragon Age II failed and now the failing Mass Effect 3. 3 strikes and your out.

Hold the Line.

Modifié par Dragoni89, 21 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[spacepope42]

TheDarkShape wrote...

Could you be any more entitled? This is one of the most embarrassing posts I've ever seen.

Look, OP and the others that share their views are trying to be civil and this dosent help matters. Just because you do not agree with their view or interpretation of Dr.Muzyka's Statement dosent mean that by voicing it they are "entitled".  So please, if you are going to come into a thread, atleast ether add to the conversasion or just don't post at all since calling one group a name doesn't advance any sort of dialoge with anyone. 

[Scandigeek]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I couldn't agree more with your first point. What worried me about Dr. Muzyka and Casey Hudson's responses is that they are fixated on the closure aspect. While it's true that we do want closure, that is most certainly not the only, or even the main, concern. The endings just don't work, thematically or as part of a game series whose strength was player choice. They're Gainax Endings, pure and simple.

Your second point I disagree with. I think that overall Mass Effect 3 is a phenomenal game, and I enjoyed practically every minute of it up until Harbinger's beam hit my Shepard. That the horrible ending has soured the experience for me is an understatement, but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of ME3 was top-notch.

And whould go far as to say I was cool even beyound that with the death of Anderson and the Illusive Man.  What I wans't cool with was the star child bs.  That's were I think it really went of the rails.  

[refuse81]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Wow really? This is a MASSIVE step. They came right out and TOLD us they are changing the endings. I apologize if you expect them to just automatically pump out some DLC, because these things take time to develop, otherwise THAT would be space magic.

Secondly, WE do LOVE Mass Effect, even the third, you cannot say you do not love that game because otherwise you wouldn't be here. Those ratings are unfair and you know it, why people would do that is unheard of to me. Also, ALL we want is closure, even if Shepard dies, even if Space God Child Thing stays, we just want to know what happened to the universe. Anything else would be complete bull****.

So, to conclude; lay off Bioware guys, you got what YOU WANTED and now they have agreed ot take action. If they don't respond to you, it's because you are being an **** and providing destructive advice not constructive. Right now you are all being very immature with comments like: "I'm never buying a Bioware product again" or "This ending ruined my favorite franchise" and even "I used to trust Bioware and the developers until this".

Great guys, I'll be patient and wait for the DLC and trust in Bioware to correct the ending for so many "fans". I hope you jerks find a string of thankfulness and lose that self-entitled attitude most of you carry around so that you all can join myself and the other few loyal fans who still believe in Bioware and will forever keep playing their games.

Thank you and learn some modesty.

I hope you are this happy when you get voice over with red, blue or green background to clarify the ending.

[TheBandit554]

Daedalus1773 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

Wow really? This is a MASSIVE step. They came right out and TOLD us they are changing the endings.

Reading comprehension fail.

He said they were working on content to "clarify" the endings. This word is not synonymous with "changing."

Well obviosly you did not read the statement because he clearly says "We understand your concerns and will address them in a fair and timely matter"

There is no clarification, they are going to provide DLC that will change (address) the issue of the ending. So no, fail back to you.

[RedTail F22]

Well, I was going to say something about his statement but I'm glad you did. You said it much better than I could've.

Hold the Line