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[terdferguson123]

steev02 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

HOLD THE LINE

Today's blogpost is completely unsatisfying

1. They still treat us as a vocal minority
2. They still refer to the positive professional reviews as proof that the game is awesome and to imply that the above mentioned 'vocal minority' is wrong
3. The same 'vocal minority' mostly thinks this game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes
4. They want to "provide clarity" to the ending and give more "closure", implying the 'vocal minority' are a bunch of idiots who don't get the 'artistic' ending
5. The end of the blog tries to slander the retake movement in a subtle way by referring to the "destructive" part of the movement

Don't throw us a bone Bioware, we're not some stupid dog.

We're soldiers
and we're
HOLDING THE LINE

Really? he blatantly called you idiots? I guess I read a different blog post. Showing your colors retake movement, showing your colors.

And I guess your read another post.
I said "implying we're idiots", not "blatantly" calling us idiots.

Ok. He implied you were idiots? I guess I read a different blog post.

We read the same blog post, but have a different interpretation.

The fact that people interpret the blog post differently, proves it contains no clear answers. And the latter is what the retake movement wants.

No, I honestly thought the ending could be better, so I am not in the "other camp" I am pointing out that there is no subjective interpretation, it's just you guys trying to make a fuss out of every word he speaks. You guys have been putting words in his mouth since he released this.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 21 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[Cody211282]

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

HOLD THE LINE

Today's blogpost is completely unsatisfying

1. They still treat us as a vocal minority
2. They still refer to the positive professional reviews as proof that the game is awesome and to imply that the above mentioned 'vocal minority' is wrong
3. The same 'vocal minority' mostly thinks this game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes
4. They want to "provide clarity" to the ending and give more "closure", implying the 'vocal minority' are a bunch of idiots who don't get the 'artistic' ending
5. The end of the blog tries to slander the retake movement in a subtle way by referring to the "destructive" part of the movement

Don't throw us a bone Bioware, we're not some stupid dog.

We're soldiers
and we're
HOLDING THE LINE

Really? he blatantly called you idiots? I guess I read a different blog post. Showing your colors retake movement, showing your colors.

And I guess your read another post.
I said "implying we're idiots", not "blatantly" calling us idiots.

Ok. He implied you were idiots? I guess I read a different blog post.

We read the same blog post, but have a different interpretation.

The fact that people interpret the blog post differently, proves it contains no clear answers. And the latter is what the retake movement wants.

No, I honestly thought the ending could be better, so I am not in the "other camp" I am pointing out that there is no subjective interpretation, it's just you guys trying to make a fuss out of every word he speaks. You guys have been putting words in his mouth since he released this.

I don't like the fact they they are going to "expand" on the ending rather then fix the borken mess they have. And honestly if they didn't see people getting mad over this then they are so out of touch it's not even funny.

[Daedalus1773]

Thornne wrote...

I think what you're hearing is the difference between customer service and public relations.

I believe most of the statements we've been getting are PR designed to protect ME3 sales. These messages do not appear to be intended for existing customers who are already upset at the ending. They seem to be intended for people who haven't yet bought the game, to assure them that the there is no actual problem, and thus no reason not to buy it.

It probably doesn't seem like they're listening because, no matter how many times you say 'I'm listening', people won't believe it if you cannot acknowledge what they're saying. Show that you understand their position and why they hold it. And acknowledging the problem is not what they're doing at this stage, I guess.

I've basically been ignoring Bioware's social media output for this reason. I don't think it is meant for me at all. I'm just waiting for the answer to my question as a customer -- what are you guys going to do, if anything, to fix this product you sold me?

Agreed. This is a well articulated & perceptive explanation of why so many of us are dissatisfied with the responses received so far, on some level.

And to be fair, I can understand this reaction from BioWare's perspective. The game has only been out two weeks. Publically admitting it's horribly flawed in some manner, but will be fixed at a later date, could potentially KILL their first 1-2 month sales. People might hold off on buying it until the "fix" is out, and by then other shiny new games will be hitting the shelves.

Still. It needs fixing. Badly.

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 21 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[terdferguson123]

Stygian1 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Please, BioWare, do not abandon us! I am sorry... But I'm so sad about ME3 current endings... You can still fix it. Please, make perfect ending DLC for ME3.

The fact that you think an ending can be perfect shows your lack of understanding of the situation.

The phrase perfect doesn't need to mean it really was perfect, if he loves an ending it is "perfect" to him. You are being dogmatic, you are insulting us for no reason and provide nothing to this disscucion besides harrassment.

If you don't agree with us that's fine, but don't just resort to name calling... it isn't pretty to watch. 

I wasn't aware I did any name calling. I have said it already several times, I would love a clarification of the ending, but the way people are going about it at this point is doing nothing but making everyone look bad and certainly is not helping.

Scrutinizing every word out of this blog post, taking things out of context, and adding your own false meanings of simple statements is NOT helping in any way. Stop being dramatic and take what you have been given.

[Piarath]

Well said, OP. While closure is one of the things they promised- and didn't deliver on- and certain;y one of the items on the list for a good ending, it's not at the TOP of the list.

I'd say nixing that little space bastard is top of the list. He never needed to exist. Just outright removing him in some way would make things LOADS better.

Then supply some damned OPTIONS. You know, like promised? And how about those widely varying endings?

Modifié par Piarath, 21 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Mitra]

Or they give us option to have multiple endings or they are dead for me. Simple as that. It's about respect too. If they want to smile in our faces, then let them. Tragic future will catch them eventualy if they don't stop to act like that boring, pointless GodChild they put in the game.
There was DA2, then SWTOR, oh, do I even have to say that this is not their first mistake? If I only knew that ME would end like this, I would never even start anything in that Universe. I just wont be here for another trilogy or any of their games and wait for them to destroy it. It is only my sane sense. If we don't try to talk to them, they can't know what is really going on.

Is it so hard to make more options, only 2 more endings, a really good ultimate hero/alive and with LI/friends ending and the other where Reapers just win? They can leave "this fake something terrible ending" as a middle ground too for those who liked it.

Fraking wreckage, I really want to see my little blue children!

Modifié par Mitra, 21 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[Daedalus1773]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Please, BioWare, do not abandon us! I am sorry... But I'm so sad about ME3 current endings... You can still fix it. Please, make perfect ending DLC for ME3.

The fact that you think an ending can be perfect shows your lack of understanding of the situation.

The phrase perfect doesn't need to mean it really was perfect, if he loves an ending it is "perfect" to him. You are being dogmatic, you are insulting us for no reason and provide nothing to this disscucion besides harrassment.

If you don't agree with us that's fine, but don't just resort to name calling... it isn't pretty to watch. 

I wasn't aware I did any name calling. I have said it already several times, I would love a clarification of the ending, but the way people are going about it at this point is doing nothing but making everyone look bad and certainly is not helping.

Scrutinizing every word out of this blog post, taking things out of context, and adding your own false meanings of simple statements is NOT helping in any way. Stop being dramatic and take what you have been given.

I believe you are well intentioned, but unfortunately not aware of how corporate PR damage control works. Great thread here (OP is kept up to date): 
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1 

[steev02]

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

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No, I honestly thought the ending could be better, so I am not in the "other camp" I am pointing out that there is no subjective interpretation, it's just you guys trying to make a fuss out of every word he speaks. You guys have been putting words in his mouth since he released this.

Fair enough.
It's just that many of us were hoping for more than vague statements.

More like:
We're changing the endings by adding more options based on the fan feedback we received. We're also changing some plot holes like the ending with the Normandy.

Instead we got:
"We're looking into new content which offers more clarification and closure"

Modifié par steev02, 21 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[jcmccorm]

I read it again and again. I can't tell what he said. On the one hand...

   "Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback."  "...we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it"

On the other hand, most of the rest of it seems to be slapping us in the face.

I think I'm going to go with emotion on this one and I'll trust a fix when I see it. I *know* I'll wait for reviews first.

[terdferguson123]

steev02 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

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No, I honestly thought the ending could be better, so I am not in the "other camp" I am pointing out that there is no subjective interpretation, it's just you guys trying to make a fuss out of every word he speaks. You guys have been putting words in his mouth since he released this.

Fair enough.
It's just that many of us we're hoping for more than vague statements.

More like:
We're changing the endings by adding more options based on the fan feedback we received. We're also changing some plot holes like the ending with the Normandy.

Instead we got:
"We're looking into new content which offers more clarification and closure"

Again, it's only been a couple of weeks since release, you have got to give them more time to come to a consensus like that. I would wager that outside of this forums base, a lot of players havn't even finished the game yet.

[pharsti]

Thats your opinion, me i loved the game, had its flaws, but loved it.

I dont want the ending changed, i want closure or new endings added to it WITH closure.

Any kind of ending without giving me proper closure is a waste of my time.
So ill disagree with you, hearing theyre working on providing closure (maybe add epilogues) is all i needed them to tell me.

And ill give them another chance, all i need is closure, provide me with it and ill be happy.

[terdferguson123]

pharsti wrote...

Thats your opinion, me i loved the game, had its flaws, but loved it.

I dont want the ending changed, i want closure or new endings added to it WITH closure.

Any kind of ending without giving me proper closure is a waste of my time.
So ill disagree with you, hearing theyre working on providing closure (maybe add epilogues) is all i needed them to tell me.

And ill give them another chance, all i need is closure, provide me with it and ill be happy.

Good post, good to see someone else with some modesty in here.

[TJWWE2007]

Bump. We want a new ending.

[TheBandit554]

Daedalus1773 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

Wow really? This is a MASSIVE step. They came right out and TOLD us they are changing the endings.

Reading comprehension fail.

He said they were working on content to "clarify" the endings. This word is not synonymous with "changing."

Well obviosly you did not read the statement because he clearly says "We understand your concerns and will address them in a fair and timely matter"

There is no clarification, they are going to provide DLC that will change (address) the issue of the ending. So no, fail back to you.

So. You quote him directly where he uses the exact phrase, "fair and timely manner." And you put this forward (again) as proof positive that they have stated they will in fact change the ending, when it neither directly or implicitly states any such thing. And then claim I don't know how to read.  Interesting.

All you are doing is reading what you want to read, not what he said.  Perhaps they will give us a changed ending. Perhaps they won't. Based on the statement you are quoting, there is no way to know for sure either way.  All they have promised is to release more content to clarify (and, if we're lucky, add on to) the ending.

Well, I'll have faith in Bioware and you can sit over there arms crossed waiting for something out of your control, okay? I think most people don't realize the amount of time, effort, and money it takes to create games and even DLC. Right now the best thing we can do for Bioware to WANT to change or TO change the endings is to be patient. Learn to respect those of which respect you and do not bite the hand that feeds you.

[Etereoooo]

Tons on topic, and still there is someone who do not undersand the proposition of this moviment.
We do not want apologize, we do not want vague promise, we want a CLEAR response from bioware if they are or are not going to change the ending in response to the critics recived.
All Bioware is doing is wating to see if it's better to ignore the moviment or accept it.

[Privatr16]

It takes a strong entity to admit it made a mistake and attempt to change things. I don't see Bioware admitting they actually may have made a mistake. Hell no one in these times seems to want to admit when they make a mistake look at politicians. To be honest I would probably support anyone who could admit to their own failings. If Bioware did that right now I would probably forgive the entire thing and let my complaining drop. As it is now I will just wait to see what they come up with and continue to express my disappointment at how the executed the ending of this game.

[rabidm0ng0ose]

well said

[jcmccorm]

TheBandit554 wrote...
Well, I'll have faith in Bioware and you can sit over there arms crossed waiting for something out of your control, okay?

I have concern. I'd trust more if they spoke candidly about time/budget constraints and a last minute re-write of the ending and came clean as to the reasons its quality may not have been up to expectations. Instead, it seemed dismissive, grudging, and rebuking.

I'd have a lot more faith if the ending was created by a team who gave a more honest appraisment of the mistakes made during development. Having an ending made by someone who seems to have sour grapes makes me fear sub-optimal resolutions.

[Niemack Saarinen]

"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. "


Not sure i like this, the current ending was "artistic" and look what we got.

[Neizd]

In this angry response there is truth to it. Some years ago Bioware were the gods of games. Bioware = epic game. Now after DAII and ME3 nobody would be able to just pre-order those games... I still can't believe that the same company that made Baldur's gate, Jade Empire, KOTOR and may other games could create something that seems half finished with ending that totally destroys the beautifull universe...

[pharsti]

Etereoooo wrote...

Tons on topic, and still there is someone who do not undersand the proposition of this moviment.
We do not want apologize, we do not want vague promise, we want a CLEAR response from bioware if they are or are not going to change the ending in response to the critics recived.
All Bioware is doing is wating to see if it's better to ignore the moviment or accept it.

"Building on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on
this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between
the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan
feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to
continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest
assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will,
continue."

^^^^^^

Im sorry, but that part, the one where he says theyre working on content to provide clarity and closure does say what they think abou the movement.
And i agree with them, i dislike the current endings, but more than that, i dislike any lack of closure, i never wanted them to change the ending, it was THEIR ending, leave them alone, changing them would be unfair.
Now, adding endings (While leaving the current ones intact) would be perfect for me, but im not going to dismiss the "epilogues" or whatever dlc it is that theyre working on if it does indeed, provide me with closure, that alone would already make me happy.

More than anything, this is better than silence.

[Myrmedus]

steev02 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

steev02 wrote...

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No, I honestly thought the ending could be better, so I am not in the "other camp" I am pointing out that there is no subjective interpretation, it's just you guys trying to make a fuss out of every word he speaks. You guys have been putting words in his mouth since he released this.

Fair enough.
It's just that many of us were hoping for more than vague statements.

More like:
We're changing the endings by adding more options based on the fan feedback we received. We're also changing some plot holes like the ending with the Normandy.

Instead we got:
"We're looking into new content which offers more clarification and closure"

If they said that they'd screw up the potential sales around the world. That post would be spread to every major gaming site on the web. Anyone on the fence about whether to buy in to the ME trilogy would be put off in an instant, which is the majority of people who would purchase the game at this stage.

So I can definitely understand the vagueries.

[mrderp27]

how dare you question IGN! they're totally awesome at what they do!

[jcmccorm]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...
"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. "

When he said "original story", did he mean the story as it was published, or did he main "original story" as in before it got the last-minute re-write of the ending?

[Darth Spike]

thaks for posting this. i wasn't sure if anyone else caught all that.