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[robbyiscool]

Its infuriating how they claim to listen, yet none of these points get brought up. All they are listening to are the things that are easy to hear.

[milkymcmilkerson]

812memphis wrote...

milkymcmilkerson wrote...

Also, we have to realize that at the end of the day, the Mass Effect story is their baby. I doubt the ending is ever going to completely change, but they will find a way to correct their mistakes while still making the story their own.

And when they did i can close that chapter of my life.

IF i buy something from BioWare again i will wait a week or two and wait what the Customers are saying. 

If a Game like RandomFPS had a Bad Ending, i don't care that much because i spend 5-6 hours to go through the campaign, this is different.
I don't know why but i take this kind of personal, as if some one took a good and beloved memory from me
I mean, for the most of us the End is so frustrating that we don't remember the good things within the ME Series.

I remember everything good about the series, and that's why the ending is so frustrating for me. 

[CrazyRah]

By each PR blog/tweet/thread from them it becomes more obvious that they either copy paste what someone else have said earlier or they don't listen at all

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

IsaacShep wrote...

Just drop it already. Some of you clearly wouldn't be happy even if they sacrificed a goat to show you how much they're listening. Just whine whine whine. People criticized, they listened and DID say they WILL modify the ending. What more do you want?

Did they?  What I read was that he wants us to tell our friends how awesome the game is so it will continue selling so that he can say in April, "Well, the game is still selling so obviously everyone loves it how it is."

[Timforsgren]

People are seriously overreacting, giving the game such poor scores on metacritic and Amazon. To say it's that bad is nonsense, it's just based upon the heat of anger from the ending. If you liked me1 and 2 there is no way you'd think me3 is so bad. I litarilly thought the game was perfect, and had the time of my life, until harbingers beam, best in the series for me, if you take away the ending.

I understand if people dislike certain things more than I do but giving it 1/10, 2/10 or even 5/10 is bs, I think.

[Stygian1]

Evanz wrote...

"muahahaha! peasants."

You just made me spit out my coffee onto a library table, thank you. 

[ZodiEmish]

I kind of agree with this. Bioware is still learning. I mean he even says in his blog that their first reaction is to defend the endings, and honestly that means that they are a little blind to what is going on. That's okay. They see that they have a problem and they should be able to get the truth now.

That being said. This gives me hope for a few reasons.

1. they have said they are working on it. Great. But the battle isn't over yet. We need to keep on holding the line.

2. Even if the Indoct theory is not true ( and it is sad that the theory is only possible because of plot holes ) Bioware has an easy way out of this. Grab a hold of the indoc theory and run with it. It allows your ending to stay the same ( but with an extra mission if you pick destroy / not get indoced ) and the framework for the story is already there. ( maybe thanks to plot holes )

Anyway this gives me hope. But we can't stop. We need to keep on holding the line. Simple as that. an official statement is great, but we can't let them think we have died down.

so Keep Holding the line.

[Elite Midget]

scq wrote...

Yes, most critics of the ending do want more than just closure, but I will also agree with Ray that most people do love the game. I loved the game though I did not like the ending. Up until that, it was a spectacular achievement. User ratings are full of trolls and whiney "fans" who would readily one-star anything. It's not to say that it doesn't mean anything—just that it's not a very reliable indicator of how well or poorly received a game is. You may question the validity of professional reviewers, and you may even imagine the sorts of biases they may be subject to, but customer reviews are subject to their own biases which make those assessments equally if not in many cases, more unreliable.

I agree that the official statement is more of just an elaborated repeat of the "we are listening" statement. Some people here will not ever be happy until they get the exact ending they wanted and a hand delivered apology from a tearful Casey Hudson at their doorstep begging for forgiveness, but realistically, I think we should take this as a positive sign.

They aren't just trolls. There are too many one stars with very long review posts shows that they do care about the series and aren't just randomly bashing the game. Especially not at such a large volume.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 21 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

Timforsgren wrote...

People are seriously overreacting, giving the game such poor scores on metacritic and Amazon. To say it's that bad is nonsense, it's just based upon the heat of anger from the ending. If you liked me1 and 2 there is no way you'd think me3 is so bad. I litarilly thought the game was perfect, and had the time of my life, until harbingers beam, best in the series for me, if you take away the ending.

I understand if people dislike certain things more than I do but giving it 1/10, 2/10 or even 5/10 is bs, I think.

Who are you to determine what others think?

[Meytiuy]

Stygian1 wrote...

I will say this though, BioWare, you did a great, no a fantastic job on
this game. You made me fall into this awesome universe even more. The
gameplay was great, the story was superb. I couldn't set down the
controler. But, that ending, the ending alone (5 minutes) is what is
turning your game from a 5 star GOTY to a 1 star piece of poo.

Quoted for truth. You are right, Dr. Muzyka, your game -is- well loved by critics and fans alike. But it's because we love the rest of it so much that we can't stand the way the writers amputated the ending with a rusty hacksaw. A beautiful series deserves an ending that doesn't seem cobbled together with popsicle sticks, no?

[brian_breed]

IsaacShep wrote...

Just drop it already. Some of you clearly wouldn't be happy even if they sacrificed a goat to show you how much they're listening. Just whine whine whine. People criticized, they listened and DID say they WILL modify the ending. What more do you want?

Bioware didn't say it would modify the ending. It said it would clarify the ending through future DLC. That is NOT much of a commitment, and certainly no promise to provide any satisfying denouement to an otherwise excrutiatingly beautiful trilogy.

[shepskisaac]

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Did they?

Do you have problems with reading? Or do your eyes can only slectively see quotes that suit your "they don't listen!!!" bias?

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

brian_breed wrote...

Bioware didn't say it would modify the ending. It said it would clarify the ending through future DLC. That is NOT much of a commitment, and certainly no promise to provide any satisfying denouement to an otherwise excrutiatingly beautiful trilogy.

You can't clarify anything without adding anything new.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Mvin]

Actually, this hits the nail on the head. I appreciate Bioware's attempts to actually do something about it, but if it's just going to be an epilogue, they're missing to point of our concerns. While there is certainly a demand for closure, this is just one aspect of the overlying problem. The ending not only bad for it's lack of closure, but also because it made all of our choices worthless and because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. There are so much more issues with it like Shepards uncharacteristic acceptance of the Star Childs options, the sudden change in tone from a heroic story to a tragic story or the absense of better options to resolve the reaper conflict (ideally with an happy ending). So as the author said: "We don't want closure to an ending like this, we want closure to an ending we love, to an ending that after we finish we can put down the control and do a fist pump in the air"

Modifié par Mvin, 21 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[brian_breed]

Timforsgren wrote...

People are seriously overreacting, giving the game such poor scores on metacritic and Amazon. To say it's that bad is nonsense, it's just based upon the heat of anger from the ending. If you liked me1 and 2 there is no way you'd think me3 is so bad. I litarilly thought the game was perfect, and had the time of my life, until harbingers beam, best in the series for me, if you take away the ending.

I understand if people dislike certain things more than I do but giving it 1/10, 2/10 or even 5/10 is bs, I think.

The story is the most important part of this game. Concluding a story of important choices with three identical endings craps on the story as well as the choices. It ruins the game.

[Jorina Leto]

Stygian1 wrote...

*snip*

Well said.

Hold the line.

[brian_breed]

IsaacShep wrote...

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Did they?

Do you have problems with reading? Or do your eyes can only slectively see quotes that suit your "they don't listen!!!" bias?

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

brian_breed wrote...

Bioware didn't say it would modify the ending. It said it would clarify the ending through future DLC. That is NOT much of a commitment, and certainly no promise to provide any satisfying denouement to an otherwise excrutiatingly beautiful trilogy.

You can't clarify anything without adding anything new.

You said modify, not add. 

[shepskisaac]

brian_breed wrote...

You said modify, not add.

Any addition modifies the existing product.

[Stygian1]

Mvin wrote...

Actually, this hits the nail on the head. I appreciate Bioware's attempts to actually do something about it, but if it's just going to be an epilogue, they're missing to point of our concerns. While there is certainly a demand for closure, this is just one aspect of the overlying problem. The ending not only bad for it's lack of closure, but also because it made all of our choices worthless and because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. There are so much more issues with it like Shepards uncharacteristic acceptance of the Star Childs options, the sudden change in tone from a heroic story to a tragic story or the absense of better options to resolve the reaper conflict (ideally with an happy ending). So as the author said: "We don't want closure to an ending like this, we want closure to an ending we love, to an ending that after we finish we can put down the control and do a fist pump in the air"

Thanks, you summed it up just as well as I ever could. 

[Venix117]

I think this Is a little over reaction, the game as a whole was brilliant the only low end scores where from butt hurt players about the ending

[kaidanluv]

Everyone who uses the word "entitled" should remember that we're the ones throwing down our hard-earned cash for these games. So, yes. After dropping $250+ in the States as well as €110+ in Italy on this franchise, I expect the ending to be good/make logical sense.

Modifié par kaidanluv, 21 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[chris fenton]

Most people are saying the game is good.. But the rest of your post is good.
The people on Metacritic was 4chan score bombing. They openly admit to it.

[frostajulie]

Anyone who regards the amazon fan reviews as review bombs is a troll that has not read the reviews. The reviews on amazon are articulate and well thought out and a perfect example of the hurt and displeasure fan feel about the game. Sopecific reasons are cited when given a poor score. Maybe before running off at the mouth about garbage you should read the reviews that are on Amazon. I read and rated all 62 there were for the digital version of the collectors edition. None of them are review bombs with 1 word reviews all of them are indicitive of the horrible ending of the game.

[scq]

Elite Midget wrote...

scq wrote...

Yes, most critics of the ending do want more than just closure, but I will also agree with Ray that most people do love the game. I loved the game though I did not like the ending. Up until that, it was a spectacular achievement. User ratings are full of trolls and whiney "fans" who would readily one-star anything. It's not to say that it doesn't mean anything—just that it's not a very reliable indicator of how well or poorly received a game is. You may question the validity of professional reviewers, and you may even imagine the sorts of biases they may be subject to, but customer reviews are subject to their own biases which make those assessments equally if not in many cases, more unreliable.

I agree that the official statement is more of just an elaborated repeat of the "we are listening" statement. Some people here will not ever be happy until they get the exact ending they wanted and a hand delivered apology from a tearful Casey Hudson at their doorstep begging for forgiveness, but realistically, I think we should take this as a positive sign.

They aren't just trolls. There are too many one stars with very long review posts shows that they do care about the series and aren't just randomly bashing the game. Especially not at such a large volume.

One starring is an extreme measure and I don't think that accurately reflects the game either. It is certainly my opinion and theirs as well, but how many people, though upset with the ending, could really give ME3 one star and one star only? Maybe 6 or 7 out of 10, but to say it's 1 star is to say it was garbage and unplayable. If they found the game to be so, fair assessment, and while the ending is supremely important, I doubt it turns an otherwise near-perfect game into something you would pay someone to avoid.

[omntt]

Mass effect 3 DLC : life on a jungle planet. Unfortunately nothing has been really adressed. I want to falcon punch the star-retarded, an ending with an house on Rannoch, an ending where i see the galaxy doomed, oh wait this is already out. Anyway, we will hold the line until the situation is properly resolved, one way or the other.