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[akuma1973]

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Yes, yes we are, thank you for acknowledging that single simple truth.

[Stygian1]

chris fenton wrote...

Most people are saying the game is good.. But the rest of your post is good.
The people on Metacritic was 4chan score bombing. They openly admit to it.

The game is good! I think most people realize that. But, I also think most people aren't satisfied with the endings (my opinion obviously, this forum and the backlash are my only reasons for thinking so)

and as for metacritic, I wasn't aware of that.  

[cobnut]

couldn't agree more with the op. thank you.

[chris fenton]

akuma1973 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Yes, yes we are, thank you for acknowledging that single simple truth.

I agree with Adanu. Be patient, everybody. We can **** when they don't come through.

But wanting a new ending is not entitlement. Please don't call -that- entitlement. 

[dangermouseuk78]

I can understand peoples issues with the game, I myself was left Underwhelmed by the lack of an Ending to Shepherds story more questions than the big pay off after 3 Epic stories. I do Question peoples methods in getting the point across. Retake Mass Effect kinda a poor choice gives a sense of ownership, but thats minor in comparison to the attitude some have taken to it and the people who made the. If you wish to be taken seriously be respectful but your point across in a constructive way. Also Be Polite treat people the way you wish to be treated.

[Bantz]

Neuthung wrote...

I'm all for the Retake movement, and I was disatisfied with the endings. But DO NOT DARE use childish review bombing over the ending as an arguing point, that's the "destructive" behavior he was talking about. This game is far better than one ****ing star, and you damn well know it. Yes I want more options and closure in my ending, but that isn't a legitimate way to get it.

 
first off OP, agree with just about everything you said, well put.

To this guy. Generally I agree with you. However, this is  a problem that i've mentioned several times since this all started. Bioware has said now a few times that "hey we're getting good reviews so we did something right!" and are using that as their reasoning for using a bandaid to close up open heart surgery. While I agree giving it a 1 star is harsh i have no problem with people giving it a 2 or 3 out of 5. If you buy a painting that is perfect, in every way and then just as he's finishing the painter decides to sign his name with a paint roller leaving giant streaks across the masterpiece obscuring and distorting it into a shadow of what it was or could have been, is it still a masterpiece? 

[Welsh Inferno]

Stygian1 wrote...

    1. BioWare seems to think, or at least say, that what we are all angry about is that the ending didn't provide enough closure. Heh. 

I think we ALL in Retake need to make this our focus now. We DO NOT JUST WANT CLOSURE. How about an ending without plotholes galore? How about some actual choice and consuquences? 

[Fail_Inc]

I think they're missing the point we don't want to burn down Bioware or anything, we want them to make the game even better and people know they can DO it.
Do you remember Duke Nukem Forever? or it's ending? Did anybody even care? NO because that game is terrible. Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game and deserves better/more endings. We refuse to say goodbye to Shepard like this that's all.
Imagine the forums if they just said "Don't worry we heard you loud and clear, what you expect is coming BUT these things take time so stay tuned" or "Oh you made us spoil the suprise but our fan's sanity is more important there you go ! -DLC link-" .
Instead they only address trolls bombing reviews, etc.. Trolling is inevitable on the internet, everybody knows it. Hell they should be more experienced dealing with them after SWToR?

[gyanpower]

jesus

Modifié par gyanpower, 21 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[kegNeggs]

Stygian1 wrote...

nomoredruggs wrote...

Well, to be fair, he has to defend Bioware as well...

No I understand that, I just wish he would look at our complaints and address what we actually are saying. 

I do see that he is in a bad spot though. 

Absolutely agree.

[Stygian1]

Fail_Inc wrote...

I think they're missing the point we don't want to burn down Bioware or anything, we want them to make the game even better and people know they can DO it.
Do you remember Duke Nukem Forever? or it's ending? Did anybody even care? NO because that game is terrible. Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game and deserves better/more endings. We refuse to say goodbye to Shepard like this that's all.
Imagine the forums if they just said "Don't worry we heard you loud and clear, what you expect is coming BUT these things take time so stay tuned" or "Oh you made us spoil the suprise but our fan's sanity is more important there you go ! -DLC link-" .
Instead they only address trolls bombing reviews, etc.. Trolling is inevitable on the internet, everybody knows it. Hell they should be more experienced dealing with them after SWToR?

I agree, I actually think they should recognize the fact that most of us (especially on BSN) have been very civil and for the most part understanding. 

[Timforsgren]

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Timforsgren wrote...

People are seriously overreacting, giving the game such poor scores on metacritic and Amazon. To say it's that bad is nonsense, it's just based upon the heat of anger from the ending. If you liked me1 and 2 there is no way you'd think me3 is so bad. I litarilly thought the game was perfect, and had the time of my life, until harbingers beam, best in the series for me, if you take away the ending.

I understand if people dislike certain things more than I do but giving it 1/10, 2/10 or even 5/10 is bs, I think.

Who are you to determine what others think?

I'm not, I just think people focus too much on demoralizing Bioware and giving the whole game a bad rep because

they are bummed about the ending. I hate the ending too, I've written alot of messeges with constructive critisism to

Bioware and telling them how I feel, but I also think it's important to tell them what parts they did great and ecourage

them. It's simple, you'd be much more willing to hear other peoples opinons if you're shown some respect.

If worked at Bioware, i'd be more pumped about working on the ending if everyone enjoyed most of the rest.

But if people are trying to convince them that the whole game sucks without really meaning it, there's nothing they

can do about that, but leave it. Counter productive, demoralizing.

[Bantz]

gyanpower wrote...

jesus

yes?

[LTKerr]

Well said

[littleork]

I will be happy if I get closure, I would like the plotholes to be adressed but what I want the most is closure.If I know what happened to my team,what happened to me after I took a breath, I will be ok with it.

[Stygian1]

gyanpower wrote...

jesus

Christ?

[I Soya I]

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

Ok, so they are going to answer questions to provide more clarity and closure. So what more do you want? Just because people don't understand the ending doesn't mean it's riddled with plot holes. The people who made the game understand what happens, but we don't because we didn't make it. So they are providing clarity. They will release information about this in April. So considering we don't know what they are or are not doing behind the scenes, hows about we complain after the statement in April -.-

[m3mental]

Mvin wrote...

Actually, this hits the nail on the head. I appreciate Bioware's attempts to actually do something about it, but if it's just going to be an epilogue, they're missing to point of our concerns. While there is certainly a demand for closure, this is just one aspect of the overlying problem. The ending not only bad for it's lack of closure, but also because it made all of our choices worthless and because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. There are so much more issues with it like Shepards uncharacteristic acceptance of the Star Childs options, the sudden change in tone from a heroic story to a tragic story or the absense of better options to resolve the reaper conflict (ideally with an happy ending). So as the author said: "We don't want closure to an ending like this, we want closure to an ending we love, to an ending that after we finish we can put down the control and do a fist pump in the air"

Couldn't have put it better myself.
Also I think that in a game like mass effect that the hero has to die or the end be tragic doesnt make any sense. 
Just feels like all the stuff you fought for is invalidated by the ending of the game. And  sadly BioWare doesn't seem to understand that since they're saying what they're saying.

[JasonDaPsycho]

Sometimes I wish they could act like Japanese game devs. When something happens, they step up, admit their mistakes and let us know what they're gonna do.
The Nintendo CEO took a voluntary paycut (50%) for how crappy the 3DS sales were at the time.

[Nurane]

Neuthung wrote...

I'm all for the Retake movement, and I was disatisfied with the endings. But DO NOT DARE use childish review bombing over the ending as an arguing point, that's the "destructive" behavior he was talking about. This game is far better than one ****ing star, and you damn well know it. Yes I want more options and closure in my ending, but that isn't a legitimate way to get it.

How, exactly, could we review things in a way that would reflect just how much the ending overshadowed the entire rest of the games? Especially in places where there are only a set number of stars, and no way to break down how different areas impact the overall score?

Giving it the high rating the rest of the game deserves would be lying and dishonest of us, especially since it usually encourages other people's buying behavior? After seeing the end, I cannot honestly rate the game as any higher than a 3/5, and considering the price I paid (digital collectors), giving it any higher would feel as if I'm helping Bioware/EA cheat other people out of their money.

Reviews are there for a reason: to tell other consumers what people who've already bought a product thought. An honest 1/5 is much more useful to the consumer than a false 5/5. It is unfortunate that ME3 is recieving so many low scores, but calling people who did rate the game low as childish and labelling their behavior as 'destructive' does nothing to either solve the problem of a poor product or give good information to other potential consumers.

I will, however, disagree with making multiple accounts and giving one star just to bring prices (or what have you) down. That is genuinely destructive and does nothing except make the honest low scores look like rage.

[ergonomalous]

"Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it."

What player control? The ABC decision to doom the galaxy? Or, If you believe the indoc theory, No conclusion at all?

[Stygian1]

ergonomalous wrote...

"Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it."

What player control? The ABC decision to doom the galaxy? Or, If you believe the indoc theory, No conclusion at all?

This. 

[Psychic_Squirrel]

Nicely put OP, agree with you 100%.

[Ultra Prism]

Destructive behavior is happening because when you lie at someone, he/she won't come back paragon-way to say "its okay" .. Review bombing happen the hell out ... look at Amazon, they offering refunds wow, No matter how many of us played Paragon, we are upset and raging for receiving such shallow ending to such great series ....

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

It's because the statement is really ambiguious and can easily be read to say that Bioware doesn't understand half the core of the movement.

Closure (seeing what happened as a result of your actions - in particular seeing what happened to your squad) is one half, and BW seems to have gotten that.

The other half is an ending that doesn't destroy the themes of the series and trivialize player choice in the last ten minutes. That part is still up in the air.