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[Axialbloom]

IsaacShep wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

We aren't trying to hurt BioWare, but they seem to think ALL of us are out to get them.

Threads like this give them more reasons to think so. They release a statement and say they WILL expand on the ending and that they're gathering feedback, already working on it and will release more details next month yet here you are, opening your "they still don't listen rage!!! I won't be happy unless they use the right ideas, MINE ideas, how to fix the ending" thread

Stop being so ignorant.

[goose2989]

nomoredruggs wrote...

Well, to be fair, he has to defend Bioware as well...

It's very frustrating, but this is true. Even if this were a bigger mess, Bioware would not come out and openly admit the mistakes it made. That simply won't happen. It is disconcerning that he addressed the issues in way that we clearly weren't looking forward to, but that he even had to address us? That is a small victory. A small one, but still noticeable. 


I do think Bioware understands the huge outcry of fans, and while they do have an ego (notice Dr Muzyka strongly defends "artist integrity") I'm willing to bet they see the financial fallout from a large fan uproar. I'm hoping Bioware will implement alternate endings that can fully satisfy us, while still allowing itself some integrity.

[MeganHunter]

I know it can seem like the statement isn't speaking to us (like an early poster said eloquently, I don't believe it was really intended for us.) My first read through stirred up more anger than I care to admit, which I'm sure wasn't remotely his intention.

But that statement? That never happens. For them to offer a public mea culpa of any form so close to a product's release is just unheard of. That means our urgings (an unfortunate mix of nice and not so nice) actually worked. They got the message.

That doesn't mean they'll have any plans to change much or any of the things that bother us. Even if they want to, they might just be setting a precedent for future game company controversies in the future. That's kinda out of our hands. But this blog shows they definitely heard us a little, and it's impossible to only hear us a "little" without seeing all the major reasons right behind that. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[MustacheManatee]

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Under the bridge lies a lonesome troll. . . 
To snatch you, grab you, throw you in a hole.
Beware, beware the troll.

[Stygian1]

MeganHunter wrote...

I know it can seem like the statement isn't speaking to us (like an early poster said eloquently, I don't believe it was really intended for us.) My first read through stirred up more anger than I care to admit, which I'm sure wasn't remotely his intention.

But that statement? That never happens. For them to offer a public mea culpa of any form so close to a product's release is just unheard of. That means our urgings (an unfortunate mix of nice and not so nice) actually worked. They got the message.

That doesn't mean they'll have any plans to change much or any of the things that bother us. Even if they want to, they might just be setting a precedent for future game company controversies in the future. That's kinda out of our hands. But this blog shows they definitely heard us a little, and it's impossible to only hear us a "little" without seeing all the major reasons right behind that. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I agree, I feel like the entire statement was designed to get the media off their back, not us. 

[Volion]

I agree, however we need to remain calm, collected and continue to marshal forces.

[SilentWolfie]

It's kind of obvious they are blind. Or we speak different kinds of English.

[Stygian1]

SilentWolfie wrote...

It's kind of obvious they are blind. Or we speak different kinds of English.

Agreed lol 

[din626]

Great thread aside from some of the over the top trolls.

Just thought I'd air a problem with the Game reviews for folks, it is most likely that the reviewers played the game through, and then simply ignored the latter part so as not to offend the parent company (in this case EA). There have been times in the last few years when folks at places like PCGamer UK used to note in their reviews when review copies of various games they were due to review would arrive "Suspiciously late or not at all" because the developers knew they'd likely get an "honest" review because parts of their products were not good.

It's entirely possible that reviewers were not "bought off" at all but ignoring some critical elements that clearly jar with the tone dramatically (such as the ending) just to ensure that the products continue to flow their way so they can review. This can lead to skewed reviews such as this. On top of that it is entirely possible that the reviewers never got to the end of the game and simply labelled the game great, because it was so far as any of us knew.

[MeganHunter]

Draco2fox wrote...

It's not just that the ending sours the rest of the game it actually makes it difficult to go back and replay it. I've been trying but then I flash back to the ending and have to walk away for a while. Still getting closure can be a step 1. Don't falter now and remember to be calm, polite and rational.

Hold the line

Same problem here, I've been playing the older ones off and on since Christmas to make sure I had a whole group ready to import. The evil human supremacist who loves Cerberus, the engineer who hates all AIs, the fast talking but secretly cowardly fake who conned his way into one Alliance medal after another, the woman so boun dby tragedy that she's always ever only the sole survivor (good to play on insanity...keeps your expectations low.)

But after beating it with my main, I just have no desire to go back with my alts. I tried but didn't get far at all, Kaidan's still stuck in the hospital bed. I know what's coming at the end, and it's just draining. Actually, I've been considering going back to SWTOR for my Bioware space / conversation wheel / romance fix.

[HeyUder]

I think we've got to be patient at this point. We are getting a new ending, period. The ball is in their court now.

[Myrmedus]

Be reasonable.

Yes, the response wasn't super-happy-sparkly-ideal but it was a good post. Acknowledge it. Keep up the pressure, but acknowledge it.

[palker]

I agree the game was awesome the endings killed it for majority of people who loved the first two games me included

[Nonoru]

"We're working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we've received. "

[HeyUder]

Myrmedus wrote...

Be reasonable.

Yes, the response wasn't super-happy-sparkly-ideal but it was a good post. Acknowledge it. Keep up the pressure, but acknowledge it.

Agreed. I feel like we've gotten a good response. Don't just forget, but now we must be patient.

[QuanManChu]

Holding the line and waiting to see endings worthy of the story the 3 games wove.

[LegendaryBlade]

"Our immediate reaction is to defend our work and point towards the critic reviews but we wont do that"

Two paragraphs later "we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s."

Bioware you have lost all your integrity haven't you?

[HeyUder]

Nonoru wrote...

"We're working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we've received. "

What do you expect? They cannot retconn the ending and do away with it completely - that would be admitting the game was incomplete and spark LEGITIMATE lawsuits.

What we will get is post-ending content. I'm banking on the indoctrination theory / an explanation and closure. We must be reasonable and realistic. Patience is key.

[ericjdev]

They obviously are listening. I'm getting tired of all the negativity, this is good news, why can't we adopt a more optimistic attitude?

[MissMaster_2]

OP you are right.

[-Skorpious-]

Guys. This is a destructive thread. Ray said that Bioware will dismiss destructive actions. We need to offer criticism in a positive manner if we want to see our grievances addressed.

[Cosmar]

/signed

While I'm grateful they have the wherewithal to even address the issue directly at all (after all it would be perfectly in their power to do nothing at all, or even say, "screw you, we're not changing anything"), I agree OP. I don't want an extension of the current ending, I want a different ending or rather the POSSIBILITY of a different ending.

Or at least give Shepard more dialogue options, at least give us the *illusion* that Shepard is still Shepard and didn't do a 180 about face in the last few minutes.

Modifié par Cosmar, 21 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[ReaverT]

Friends and fellow gamers:

I know we still don't have what we want, but for god sake, relax the tone. I mean, stop saying Muzika just speaks garbage and so. THEY HAVE AKCNOWLEDGED THE PROBLEM. This is our first big victory, we should be happy WHILE WE STILL HOLD THE LINE by providing them with useful feedback, just as he and Bioware are asking us.

I must say that I understand them. Yes. Even if we hate that argument, the Mass Effect trilogy IS their work, and we must respect it. However, it's not a "one-way" work of art, just as the Penny Arcade video articles have stated. Mass Effect was built first and foremost by Bioware, and its destinataries were us, the fans. Thus, the game and its universe grew up because WE LOVED IT, and we still love it. Proof is what we have been doing so far. And yes, the ending wasn't what we expected, but we are millions, and at Bioware they are just a few hundreds. So, even if they took a step in the wrong direction, we cannot make them seem the devil itself. Because that would be denying that what we got from 2 past games and the third one (until the ending) was one of the best videogame experiences no generation will experience ever. So he's right at that point. Lets leave the rest of the fans finish the game, let them know about the ending, and let them speak their opinions just as we do.

They have STARTED to answer our demand, lets indulge their petition of keep the feedback comming in a constructive way. Therefore, if you have the game but you still haven't reviewed it, do so. And don't do it like the phew fans that say the saga is ruinned by the ending. Before that ending, Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 where AWSOME GAMES... and they still are. Maybe after the ending you don't want to play through all of them again, or you can't do it in a "good mod" way because of the ending. But as they said and I believe them, THEY ARE LISTENING. We won't get a better solution to this situation by giving the game bad reviews, heck, we could even get exactly the opposite thing that we want: a more explainned and detallied ending or even a phew new ones depending on the circunstances.

Bottomline: lets keep it civil and polyte. If they ask we answer with reasoning and the intention of being constructive, if they want a review on the game, we do it thinking in the game as a whole, not just an experience shatered by an inconclussive ending that -again- they said they are going to look into it.

Thanks for reading, and remembre, keep it civil, Hold the line, for Childrens Play, for Marauder Shields, for us, for Bioware, and four our common bond: THE MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE!!!!

[Stygian1]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Guys. This is a destructive thread. Ray said that Bioware will dismiss destructive actions. We need to offer criticism in a positive manner if we want to see our grievances addressed.

I'm not trying to be destructive at all, I'm pointing out that they don't seem to realize the actual problems fans have with the ending. My title may be a little too divisive... 

[OMEGAlomaniac]

100% well said OP.