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[MeganHunter]

I think we should also get used to the new endings not addressing everything. They said they'd explain the endings, not change them. To me that sounds similar to the first time Neon Genesis Evangelion came out. The ending was so symbolic, esoteric, and just plain weird that they had to redo the endings to show what really, physically happened. But they didn't change the ending at all: they just shined a light on all the supposition.

Bioware's extending an olive branch, which is more than we usually get from companies. That's not an excuse, but it is a fact.

[Coolfaec]

Oh, snap!

[Strange Aeons]

No offense, but this most recent statement is no different than any of the other smiley-face PR boilerplate we've been fed previously.

He never said that the content would add anything to the ending, nor did he acknowledge the real substance of the complaints: that the problems with ending are rooted in the more fundamental issues of interactivity, tone, and internal consistency.

All he acknowledged was a problem of "clarity," a disconnect between the reaction of professional reviewers (who presumably "got it") and the fans (who presumably didn't); and all he offered is that this new content (whatever it is) would "answer questions."

Either they're still just playing the damage control game, or they really are still completely missing the point.

[KelaSaar]

Good post, I agree with everything you said.

[MattFini]

It boils down to this being a step in the right direction.

And kudos for BioWare for that.

Now, should they choose to completely disregard what it is that we want, we can still refuse any and all DLC they offer us.

At this point, we know they're going to address the ending. We'll know HOW in April.

[bmwcrazy]

Adanu wrote...

YOu want trolling? Take a look at the last two weeks in this forum with the massive flame wars.

Me? I'm pointing out the pointless anger here. Of COURSE it's going to have some PR in it... It's half addressing, and half PR for the rest of the world. People here need a reality check.

So, In closing to you: **** off.

Easy there, buddy, and please watch your language.

There is no need for such pointless anger here.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 21 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[mjh417]

Amen OP

[Stakis]

Dr Ray apparently believes critics are the ones giving him those fat profits, i think his whole post clearly shows this is hurting ME3 sales, but instead of come clean and say " yeah we messed up " he reminds us that the rest of the game is good, yeah we know Dr Ray, thats why were even more pissed about the end.

[Stygian1]

MattFini wrote...

It boils down to this being a step in the right direction.

And kudos for BioWare for that.

Now, should they choose to completely disregard what it is that we want, we can still refuse any and all DLC they offer us.

At this point, we know they're going to address the ending. We'll know HOW in April.

I guess your right, it really boils down to what they say at PAX (or the time around it). <_<

[Magic Ketchup]

I think that Bioware, a game studio that values player's feedbacks, has done more than they should - addressing that they are aware of all the negative player's reactions and thinking of a solution to this fanboy whine-fare.

The Mass Effect series, in my opinion, is about humanity and sacrifice, and the ending(s) are all true to the theme. It's sad and emotional, but I don't find them half-baked.

Do you want Bioware to make games like Disney made Hercules - a tragic mythical figure in literature but in their animation it is happy and goofy? Or asking James Cameron to change the ending of Titanic so that Leo and Kate live happily ever after?

I respect Bioware's effort and artistry, and I think that Mass Effect is one the best games I have ever played.

[nevar00]

Yeah... I have to say that I don't think we're going to get a satisfying ending.

1. None of our decisions matter to the ending. I doubt this will be changed.
2. Will we get those 16 different endings? ...probably not.
3. It is STILL riddled with plot holes. It STILL has a dues ex machina. Will this be changed? Probably not.

It's cool that they're addressing this; I'm just not getting my hopes up too high.

[spychi]

I am seeing one bad thing about Casey's reply

that they are going to answer all the questions of the endings, which I think means there won't be any kind of new ending or stuff like that, but just explanation on who why where with who

[Valk72]

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Well i think we have the right to entitled since we pay good money for this game...

[-Skorpious-]

Let's not bash Ray for speaking. For god sake, he is one of the few people who have actually stepped up and said something. <_<

We have to remain civil and let Bioware know what we truly want. Let them know we have no intentions to buy DLC that sheds light on a minor event of the ending. Let them know that we prefer additional endings to the game rather than a 'retake Omega' DLC, but do so in a polite and civilized manner.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 21 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[IsleySilverlord]

Adanu wrote...

You got a statement, and a request to be patient, and you people are still going on?

Wow. Talk about entitled.

Blindfolds everywhere.

[DrGuns]

So Muzyka's response basically has two themes. "It's art and it's sad our choices are not appreciated." and "It's still good, because look at these official reviews! So the players must be a minority!" This all of course, heavily sugarcoated, with a topping of if's and maybe's and such things.

Let's not dwell too long on the review-scores argument, but the difference in professional and user scores is interesting at the very least.

On the "respect the artist's choice" thingy, I do have something to say. We have been hearing that a lot now, from the press, from BioWare and from haters of the "vocal entitled minority", as they call it, and I'm quite sick of it.

Basically, we were promised a painting, got a brick, and are now being told we should respect the artist's choice to make a statue.

In other words, the argument is big load of bull manure.

Modifié par DrGuns, 21 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Valk72]

Magic Ketchup wrote...

I think that Bioware, a game studio that values player's feedbacks, has done more than they should - addressing that they are aware of all the negative player's reactions and thinking of a solution to this fanboy whine-fare. 

Thank you for insulting us, that's just so sweet of you!

[Athlonis1]

well said OP.

This is just more standard PR tactics. He's just beating around the bush when it comes to the main issue. If he really wanted to calm us down he should have said they made a mistake and they're working on correcting it. That's all. Frankly, at this point we just want Mr. Hudson and Mr. Walters to admit they f*cked up.

That's all.

[devSin]

So all the prerelease statements of everything we could expect from the conclusion to the trilogy don't actually matter because their "artistic choices" cannot be challenged?

Color me unimpressed. I'm pretty sure this is the end of the Mass Effect franchise, whether they know it yet or not.

Modifié par devSin, 21 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[Rob_Nix]

Don't give into indoctrination.

[Legend78731]

Stygian1 wrote...

We don't want closure to an ending like this, we want closure to an ending we love

This.

I mean really how more obvious could it be that the majority of people purchasing you game rate it one star!

And this. Nice post. Hold the line.

Modifié par Legend78731, 21 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[SirCroft]

That was a nicely written post. I completely agree.

[tekkaman fear]

RainbowGrass wrote...

Exactly! It's not JUST closure we want. It's more choice, a lot more choice in how you want it to end. Choices for sacrifice, choices for a "Rainbow and Bunnies" ending, choices for so many more things. Make 16 endings all different and not 95% the same.

I appreciate Dr. Muzyka releasing the statement but.... ugh.
Okay, rant over, Im going for a smoke...  

Dangit i need a smoke too. but im all outta cigars <_<

[Unit-Alpha]

Might want to read this:


"We suggest reading both Ray and Casey's statements. We will be creating additional content, not taking any away." ~ Mass Effect Twitter

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 21 mars 2012 - 07:17 .