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[Emptypockets319]

I have great respect for Bioware, but I afraid that they won't listen to us and put out something similar to DA2 Legacy. I'm hoping my fears are totally wrong and Bioware comes through.

[RLesueur]

Totally agree, thank you for listening Bioware!

[FemmeShep]

Creid-X wrote...

We REALLY should appreciate this, there is a lot of media pieces out there ruined by an awful ending that never got a fix, no matter the fuss. BioWare respect us enough to consider compromising their artistic integrity because we ask them to.
Independently from the endin's quality, so we should respect them as well.

Yes, let's continue to appreciate BioWare, a corporation that sold us a product based on lies, who still fail to acknowledge why fans are upset.

Let's be appreciative that they would grace us with their letters to us. 

[xeNNN]

agreed.

[mghjr6]

The funny thing is that instead of linking to Ray's actual statement, you're linked to the Forbes article, which critiques the statement with a skeptic slant. The statement itself was better than nothing, and it was an acknowledgment that something is wrong. Standard, careful PR wording.

But as I said, the article you're linked to critiques this, and does a very good job of it.

[crapmonster13]

Grasich wrote...

I have little respect for more PR talk. Admittedly, it's about all we can expect at this point, but it's no reason to respect them. Especially with how much he dismisses us.

Hold the line.

This is pretty much how I felt after reading it.  While I do respect the fact that he came out and apologized (sort of) for the ending, it does seem like he was trying to deflect a great deal.  I'm pretty much in full agreement with this Forbes write-up.
http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/ 

[Wolven_Soul]

I don't know.  I am not going to respond with hostililty, but I am still feeling hesistant.  It is a very, very, very small concession.  They did not come out and say, yeah, we messed up with these endings, like Bethesda did with Fallout 3.  In fact it seemed like the guy was standing by the endings.  The fact that he brought up all of the perfect scores suggest that. 

I guess one thing is almost certain now, the indoctrination theory was not intended and so the endings were just some really awful and lazy writing, though your not going to hear them admit that. 

I am also feeling...diappointment in the review system.  I have heard many claims that developers pay for those reviews and I cannot help but wonder how much of that is true.  Even if the endings were wonderful I do not think that I would have given this game a perfect review.

Modifié par Wolven_Soul, 21 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[Asch Lavigne]

As long as its not a new ending. They should fix/further explain/bring closure to the endings already available. A new ending won't fix those problems. And if they do "fix" the endings I hope it's a patch, we shouldn't have to pay for a fix like this.

[AlexXIV]

klblamble wrote...

any one remember when ME2 came out, and there were some complaints because you no longer had the mako missions, they released the fire walker dlc - they do listen, you just have to be NICE about it

Yeah and I hated the mako and the firewalker DLC. However, I didn't have to play it in ME2, luckily.

[bazzag]

ericjdev wrote...

Totally agree with you. I got up this morning and read the statement, was really excited and happy and then I started reading our response and my reaction changed to 'what the hell?". Have some of us become so jaded and cynical we can't even recognize when something good happens. This was a win and I can find no way not to view it as such. Was it everything we wanted? no, but we don't all want exactly the same things. This is great news, I am optimistic and hopeful and feel far better about the situation than I have since I finished the game.

I agree. Any progress is good progress, and they should deffo fill it out with the indoc theory. Wether accidental or deliberate, it still fits the best.
Hold the line

[royceclemens]

What we have to remember is that his bosses are reading this too. It's not like he's gonna fall on his sword and say "Ya know what? We completely boned this. Fumbling the ball is one thing, but we stopped six inches away from the end zone and shot ourselves."

Plus I like that he refers to the endings as "current." Meaning subject to change.

So yes, the days that Mass Effect 3 has as terrible an ending as it does now are numbered. So how much less terrible depends on us. If I were you, I'd go to that thread at the top of the page and make your presence felt. That's the thread that's most likely going to make it to the higher ups. And don't act like a tool when you do it, you're making us all look bad.

We won a hell of an important skirmish, but we've yet to win the war.

Hold the line.

[Lianaar]

While I really don't want the endings be changed for many reasons, I think this thread (due to OP)  deserves a bump from me. Were the majority of the movement expressing their views in this manner, I would have no problem with the movement at all. It is good to see that differing opinions can be respected and that people don't only demand being heard and respect from BW, but also offer the same in return.

Modifié par Lianaar, 21 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[Marta Rio II]

ericjdev wrote...
Totally agree with you. I got up this morning and read the statement, was really excited and happy and then I started reading our response and my reaction changed to 'what the hell?". Have some of us become so jaded and cynical we can't even recognize when something good happens. This was a win and I can find no way not to view it as such. Was it everything we wanted? no, but we don't all want exactly the same things. This is great news, I am optimistic and hopeful and feel far better about the situation than I have since I finished the game.

I'm in the same boat as you, buddy.  And I'm the most pessimistic person I know.

[Tygur]

It is nice to hear SOMETHING, however I seriously dislike their constant mention of review scores. If it is art, then review scores are irrelevant anyway. They also mentioned previously a few times that it is the players whose feedback helps write the Mass Effect games, in which case our artistic integrity is on the line as well. But through my gripes, at least it is a response, which they have been seriously lacking in lately. Explanation and closure would be welcome but changes or at least a whole different ending option choice would be required to fully address current concerns. It seems that in a series like Mass Effect, it makes sense to have different types of endings for choices. There doesn't have to be only a sad ending or a happy ending, its about player choice. Some could steer towards the happy ending and some could steer towards a more tragic or contemplative ending. Steering everyone towards one type is not in the game's artistic interests in my opinion.

[DaosX]

Do you seriously believe this was not at all planned? An ending that didn't fit the entire game that was loaded with plot holes, inconsistencies, etc? THIS IS BIOWARE we're talking about...given the amount of experience and talent in this dev, it's extremely unlikely.

All of this was planned...because they know they got you.

[iTofu]

Some people want a 4th option to say "F%&# you!" to the Star Child. Some people want an entirely different ending. For those two groups of people Ray's statement is frustrating, because shortly after there was a tweet saying, "Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything."

That being said, Bioware could be planning or contemplating altering the ending, but does not want to commit to it. That makes sense, since their quotes regarding the ending before the release have been so closely scrutinized.

Perhaps you are correct that Retake should respect that Bioware is listening and will act, but for some people it won't be enough until there is a commitment made to altering the ending. It is what it is.

Modifié par iTofu, 21 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[AlexXIV]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

As long as its not a new ending. They should fix/further explain/bring closure to the endings already available. A new ending won't fix those problems. And if they do "fix" the endings I hope it's a patch, we shouldn't have to pay for a fix like this.

I honestly think they need to fix the synthesis ending. It seems so far fetched and ridiculous that it is more making fun of sci-fi in general and ME than anything. I mean cybernetic flowers, animals, insects, everything ... come on, they are BSing us.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[Vromrig]

Respect earned, not commodity for trade, not part of bargain. Respect independent of negotiations.

Bioware must take next step to earn respect. Concede improper ending, rectify, not simply try to re-explain why we're wrong about ending.

[MattFini]

FemmeShep wrote...

I don't really see how it's a concession. All they have done is acknowledged more directly that fans are upset. But just like Casey did, they make sure to counter it by saying Critics and Journalists like it, therefore a lot of people liked the ending.

Because BioWare CANNOT admit they screwed up.  The game has been out for two weeks and admitting the ending is bad would be a financial disaster for them.  Yes, more than the review spamming and Amazon/Origin returns.

But they ARE acknowledging that people are unhappy.  That is key.  Yes, they will downplay it.  Again, this is so they can save face.  But they know there are a lot of poeple pissed.  There's no question of this, otherwise this statement wouldn't exisit.

This was a classy move, and its importance shouldn't be dismissed.  

They are getting the message - MORE THAN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SAY / ADMIT.

And with this, we just continue let our voices be heard respectfully and wait for their announcement in April.

[FemmeShep]

I just find it truly bizarre, the kind of reaction fans have to this.

OMG we should be so appreciative and lucky that BioWare writes us. Even though what they wrote us doesn't actually acknowledge why we are upset.

It's almost, cult like how people are towards BioWare. And this really bothers me, considering they as a company screwed you over as a consumer. Selling their product on promises that never came to fruition. And people are acting like this is okay. Because well..it's BioWare. And we should totally be grateful and honored for whatever they do prior to the release.

What? lol maybe they should be grateful to us, for buying their damn games and paying their salaries.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[Thatguyky]

Why would anyone be mad about the statement made this morning? This means we are making some progress, if anything people should be happy about the announcement! They even gave us a heads up saying more official info will be coming in April. Show them constructive criticism, respect (they deserve it), and patience. If we continue to "push" in a the right manner. I think everything will be alright.

[leondes1]

recentio wrote...

Source: www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/bioware-co-founder-apologizes-to-fans-for-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sort-of/

In short, BW have stated they are going to add some content to the ending. What exactly that conent will entail is unknown to me at this time. However, I firmly believe this is NOT something that should be met with hostility, as some Retakers appear to have done.

My interpretation of "constructive criticism" is I think somewhat different from the author of the linked article. I see it to mean "criticism that is not insulting and can be used constructively." I think the fact that BW's public statements have changed over time and moved towards the idea of revising the ending is proof that BioWare is listening and responding to what they hear from many fans.

Is it everything I personally had hoped for? No. But it is something. For me, that means it is not time to sit back and relax but also that it is not time to greet a concession with negativity. Speculation, sure. But not outright negativity. They have reached a hand out, and I'd prefer not to bit it, personally. That will get us nowhere fast.

I'm happy they came out and said SOMETHING. At least now we have a timeframe. I get why they arn't talking much. I mean really, they are screwed no matter how they approach this. If they come out right now and say we totally messed up, sales will tank. If they don't say enough, tons of people on here will rage beyond belief. 

They are damned either way. It's a very thin line to walk. I still believe they will do the right thing here.

I just wish the crazy people around here would stop raging, that doesn't help our cause at all. 

It's a great first step, all be it, very carefully worded, which I completely expected.

I'll wait bioware, but trust me when I say this. We are not leaving, and we are not giving up on this. You said you wouldn't make mass effect into lost.......... why did you? :(:(:(

Fix it.

HOLD THE LINE!

[FemmeShep]

MattFini wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I don't really see how it's a concession. All they have done is acknowledged more directly that fans are upset. But just like Casey did, they make sure to counter it by saying Critics and Journalists like it, therefore a lot of people liked the ending.

Because BioWare CANNOT admit they screwed up.  The game has been out for two weeks and admitting the ending is bad would be a financial disaster for them.  Yes, more than the review spamming and Amazon/Origin returns.

But they ARE acknowledging that people are unhappy.  That is key.  Yes, they will downplay it.  Again, this is so they can save face.  But they know there are a lot of poeple pissed.  There's no question of this, otherwise this statement wouldn't exisit.

This was a classy move, and its importance shouldn't be dismissed.  

They are getting the message - MORE THAN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SAY / ADMIT.

And with this, we just continue let our voices be heard respectfully and wait for their announcement in April.

While there may be some truth to this, I still find the reaction fans have to this to be really bizarre. They act like BioWare is sacrificng so much and going out on a limb to write us.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[ergonomalous]

No words can express how awesome that article is.

[Lianaar]

Tygur wrote...
It is nice to hear SOMETHING, however I seriously dislike their constant mention of review scores.

Why? They earned those scores. If those scores were not earned you wouldn't be here, you would just forget about the game as a whole. Acknowledgement should be given, where it is due. Constructive criticism shows what is done well, lists what should have been done differently and maybe list possible alternatives.