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[Denora]

All I ever wanted was some kind of closure or Epilogue. I'm happy with their actions.

[Dragoonlordz]

Vaktathi wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

There will always be a fringe element in every group that will never back down, never stop even if got everything they ever want. So obsessed with "sticking it to the man" and power hungry that they fail to realise in life compromises are made to try to keep everyone happy. I come to think that some member of retake just have not reached the stage in life yet that in order for everyone to get along and in order to progress in life compromises have to be made, the world really does not revolve around them. Those kinds will never be happy regardless of the result.

What we have from Bioware (more accurately you since I liked the endings) is simply a statement that says they will be creating extra content to bring closure and exposition to those who want it. This will be in the form of DLC not changes to the core game and that is the compromise. People should either realise they were met half way or leave because they are never going to get through life or relationships if expect everyone including Bioware will do exactly as they demand all the time, so learn to accept compromise or be in for one hell of a miserable, struggling, bitter lifetime.

I will be very happy as long as they make a good-faith effort to address the ending. I'm glad you liked the ending even though I did not. I really wanted to like it... And you're right, none of us will get everything we want, but this release shows a lot of promise.

My statement is back up with such elements as this.



They will not change the ending but for those who are not as hardcore or obsessed with getting everything you want,a compromise being enough regarding additional exposition and answer to your space magic plus relating to what happened to your companions and why they acted the way they did and what happened to the races left around Earth etc.. Will be part of this additional content. I fail to see why that would be so offensive. Life is about compromise and having been reading and attacked many times myself about the issues so many have this goes half way at least to resolving it for many of the ones I talked to including all the way resolution for others. There will always be some who want core game changes but Bioware does not do that, they have and always will add extra content to resolve issues as shown with Dragon Age 2. I consider that sort of thing fair and reasonable way to handle such feedback and criticism.

These people (the ones in the twitter quotes) have nothing invested in the current ending, it's not like they're fighting to keep the ending because they feel it truly fits and is the right ending, they just don't like the idea of changing the ending regardless. That's it.

However when a developer stands by it's principles it also attracts new sales based on support in such situations those types who never previously bought the game (maybe like those in twitter qoute) may actually buy it now. Anways I made my feelings known about compromise and what to expect (imho) based on past such results and statements of which I expressed in a reasonable way I think plus respectful so I'll leave it there.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[teknoarcanist]

ericjdev wrote...

Totally agree with you. I got up this morning and read the statement, was really excited and happy and then I started reading our response and my reaction changed to 'what the hell?". Have some of us become so jaded and cynical we can't even recognize when something good happens. This was a win and I can find no way not to view it as such. Was it everything we wanted? no, but we don't all want exactly the same things. This is great news, I am optimistic and hopeful and feel far better about the situation than I have since I finished the game.

Agree completely.

And for god's sake, no one on these forums is allowed to use the letters "P" and "R" in direct sequence anymore.  I declare it, right here and now.  It's getting ridiculous.

"Hey guys, how are you d--"

"BULLSHI T EA PR"

"What are you talking ab--"

"DON'T TRY TO SPIN ME, I'M ON TO YOUR TRICKS"

"..."

Modifié par teknoarcanist, 21 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[D1ck1e]

Status quo till I see it happen.

HOLD THE LINE

[NM_Che56]

I just picture you all marching on Edmonton singing "We Shall Overcome" or "Kumbaya" and locking arms over a video game and Bioware sending FENRIS Mechs at you.

[Echo_V]

I respect him for coming forward and I'm thankful

[Aesieru]

This is nothing but what Casey said just said in a different way. It shows that the highest echelons of BioWare agree with Casey and do not respect that they lied to us and didn't provide what was given, instead they are "surprised" that we were so ignorant.

[rorako]

At least he came forward and said they'd add some closure, which is fantastic.

Could have used less PR talk, but meh, I'll take what I can get right now.

Now's the time for constructive criticism, he's right. Most of us should be content about this until it become clear that they actually aren't doing anything.

[Plasma Prestige]

 More progress is always a good thing, but the article brings up some good points about the tone of the statement which is unsettling.

[rhyddhau]

Oh look! Random people complaining on Twitter and misconstruing Retake. How relevant.

[Doctor_is_in]

Completely agree, OP.

[Vaktathi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
However when a developer stands by it's principles it also attracts new sales based on support in such situations those types who never previously bought the game (maybe like those in twitter qoute) may actually buy it now.

I doubt it in this case, especially in relation to the number of longstanding fans honked off that are the kind that otherwise routinely snap up every release and DLC like candy.

It works when they stand their principles against "the man" (e.g. EA, regulation, etc) or against DRM. Not so much when they produce something customers don't like and take the stand that they shoulnd't "sacrifice their artistic integrity". That doesn't jive as much. It means that they consider the customer experience (which is really what they are selling) secondary to some sort of vague and ill defined "integrity' notion.

And again, when art that is produced as a consumer good to fulfill consumer desires fails to fulfill those desires, it has failed in its art as well.

[Amanthor]

Vaktathi wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
However when a developer stands by it's principles it also attracts new sales based on support in such situations those types who never previously bought the game (maybe like those in twitter qoute) may actually buy it now.

I doubt it in this case, especially in relation to the number of longstanding fans honked off that are the kind that otherwise routinely snap up every release and DLC like candy.

It works when they stand their principles against "the man" (e.g. EA, regulation, etc) or against DRM. Not so much when they produce something customers don't like and take the stand that they shoulnd't "sacrifice their artistic integrity". That doesn't jive as much. It means that they consider the customer experience (which is really what they are selling) secondary to some sort of vague and ill defined "integrity' notion.

And again, when art that is produced as a consumer good to fulfill consumer desires fails to fulfill those desires, it has failed in its art as well.

Yeah honestly if I heard a company was sticking to their principles against the fans of their game i'm more likely then not gonna avoid said company.

[ScotGaymer]

I am pleased he issued an apology but I find myself a little confused by the statement. To me it doesn't really seem to say much more than what they have said already.

More content DLC forthcoming.

At least thats how I read it. So it doesn't really mean that we convinced BW to change or add to the ending. Though the tweet from Mass Effect Twitter to that doucheback Colin Moriarty (indirectly) seems to lean heavily in that direction.

I am wary that this might just be more PR obfuscation from Bioware. BUT I am cautiously optimistic now.

And for the first time actually found myself pleased by something Dr Muzukya said in a press release. Usually his statements make me roll my eyes so hard I get a headache.

[Sc2mashimaro]

teknoarcanist wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

Totally agree with you. I got up this morning and read the statement, was really excited and happy and then I started reading our response and my reaction changed to 'what the hell?". Have some of us become so jaded and cynical we can't even recognize when something good happens. This was a win and I can find no way not to view it as such. Was it everything we wanted? no, but we don't all want exactly the same things. This is great news, I am optimistic and hopeful and feel far better about the situation than I have since I finished the game.

Agree completely.

And for god's sake, no one on these forums is allowed to use the letters "P" and "R" in direct sequence anymore.  I declare it, right here and now.  It's getting ridiculous.

"Hey guys, how are you d--"

"BULLSHI T EA PR"

"What are you talking ab--"

"DON'T TRY TO SPIN ME, I'M ON TO YOUR TRICKS"

"..."

I'm with both of you. And that conversation teknoarcanist, I constantly feel like that in this forum. PR is not as mysterious as some people here seem to think it is...

[Noatz]

Aesieru wrote...

This is nothing but what Casey said just said in a different way. It shows that the highest echelons of BioWare agree with Casey and do not respect that they lied to us and didn't provide what was given, instead they are "surprised" that we were so ignorant.

Except it isn't.

Casey's statement merely acknowledged fans had issues with the ending.

Ray's post told us Casey and the others were working on ending content, and that we would be told more about it in April.

[Sc2mashimaro]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I am pleased he issued an apology but I find myself a little confused by the statement. To me it doesn't really seem to say much more than what they have said already.

More content DLC forthcoming.

At least thats how I read it. So it doesn't really mean that we convinced BW to change or add to the ending. Though the tweet from Mass Effect Twitter to that doucheback Colin Moriarty (indirectly) seems to lean heavily in that direction.

I am wary that this might just be more PR obfuscation from Bioware. BUT I am cautiously optimistic now.

And for the first time actually found myself pleased by something Dr Muzukya said in a press release. Usually his statements make me roll my eyes so hard I get a headache.

This is the first time anyone at Bioware has made a concrete statement that they are "drawing up solutions".

This is the first time Bioware has given itself a deadline as to when we can expect an answer for what their plan will be moving forward.

That is, in of itself, a lot.

Also, just because it's bugging me, good PR never obfuscates. Incompetent PR obfuscates. PR's goal is to clarify and communicate to the public what a company is thinking, planning, and doing.

[cinderburster]

I agree with the OP. I don't think we need to fall silent, but we SHOULD respect what Dr. Muzyka has said. We should be respecting Bioware's staff ANYWAY. The squeaky wheel may get the grease--but not when it runs over the man with the oilcan.

[din626]

I respect Dr Muzyka's position (and said so over on Bioware's FB page) and I'm quite glad that the DLC development (which we knew from the media bumph was ongoing anyway) is going to keep going.

I, as a member of the Retake Movement are happy to hear about "clarification" DLC which should help all of us.

[Silveralen]

ericjdev wrote...

Totally agree with you. I got up this morning and read the statement, was really excited and happy and then I started reading our response and my reaction changed to 'what the hell?". Have some of us become so jaded and cynical we can't even recognize when something good happens. This was a win and I can find no way not to view it as such. Was it everything we wanted? no, but we don't all want exactly the same things. This is great news, I am optimistic and hopeful and feel far better about the situation than I have since I finished the game.

Honestly? I don't think any of us trust Bioware enough to be happy until they deliver.

They burned through alot of goodwill, and the tone of these responses from Bioware isn't helping.

[Starshadow2010]

Why such happy faces, everyone? Did we waited for some statement for too long, so now ANY statement is met with more optimism, than it deserves? Respect? In advance? For what? For some vague promises again? For me they are as valid, as the promises of vastly differend endings and all questions answered before the game was released. While i am thankful for some response from a high-ranking corporate, i shall remain cautious untill i see what they do to fix this situation. Respect comes from your actions and accomplishments, not from the sole fact of your existance.

Modifié par Starshadow2010, 21 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[SidNitzerglobin]

Really good article. Anyone have a link to the unedited statement by Dr. Ray?

Edit: found it http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

I think I got from that that they are working on a fix and that we should expect to have details in April.  If that's the case then I'd say Good News Everybody...

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 21 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[AttaBoyTroy]

Silveralen wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

Totally agree with you. I got up this morning and read the statement, was really excited and happy and then I started reading our response and my reaction changed to 'what the hell?". Have some of us become so jaded and cynical we can't even recognize when something good happens. This was a win and I can find no way not to view it as such. Was it everything we wanted? no, but we don't all want exactly the same things. This is great news, I am optimistic and hopeful and feel far better about the situation than I have since I finished the game.

Honestly? I don't think any of us trust Bioware enough to be happy until they deliver.

They burned through alot of goodwill, and the tone of these responses from Bioware isn't helping.

Speak for yourself. As well, I didn't really see anything wrong with the tone of Ray's response, and was encouraged by it. It's like you guys are TRYING to be upset at everything. If you expected him to throw everyone involved under the bus, you must have never been involved with any team ever. He stood by his team, and stated that they're going to look into making the endings better, what exactly were you expecting?

[Kanner]

They've conceded nothing. It's fairer to say that DLC content to extend and clarify their current ending is more like doubling-down.

[GorrilaKing]

Sorry, but given how we were lied to before, I am taking this with a ton of salt. If the problems are adressed in a future patch/DLC, I will be GLAD to be a fanboy again!