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[Xaila]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

I think Loghain would have had more respect for Cailan if Cailan had been a strong man and ruler like Maric and not a fool that would let his queen rule for him and pursue glory like a king in fairy tales when there were so many problems to attend to in Ferelden.

Eh? Maric practicly allways agreed with Loghain. As Xaila said, Maric never really puts his foot down.
Cailian is young an inexperienced, but he IS a strong leader and he clearly shows it.
He was looking to prove himself, but he was also right about fighting the blight. And his bravado act is something every competent commander would do.

B.t.w. - idealists are also real people.

I apologize if I've been spoiling The Calling for anyone, but it really sheds a lot of light on things and makes you think a bit.

It surprised me a bit to see how much leeway Maric gives Loghain.  He was pretty much content to just run off to the Deep Roads and leave things in his hands.  I haven't read Stolen Throne but I know he was pretty much on the  run during his youth.  I'm sure palace-raised Cailan was well-groomed on what kingship entails, where Maric wasn't.  For all that Cailan lacks in experience, he is different from his father in that he exercizes his authority.  It must have infuriated Loghain, who had a LOT of sway with Maric, to suddenly be subject to bratty young Cailan. 

I don't think he was able to deal with losing his 'place'.  If you recruit him, once everyone has finally found him out for what he was, he becomes quite a broken man.  It would be easy to pity him if he hadn't, y'know, killed his best friend and once-love's son and stuff.

[SeanMurphy2]

I thought Loghain would be a greyer character in the game. There would be more mystery and moral uncertainty about what happened at Ostager. That Ostager was a diversionary Darkspawn attack for somewhere else. Or the King was already dead. Or there would be strategic reasons for the retreat. Or Loghain would try to convince me that there was a plot by Orlais or Cailan was a dangerous leader. Loghain would be a character you felt ambivalent about. He would not be the clear villain.

I also loved the Cauthrien and Loghain interaction at Ostager. I was excited about meeting them in the mid game and seeing the tensions in their relationship. You would talk with Cauthrien and she would give a positive perspective on Loghain. She tells you about her background and stories about how bad Orlesians are. That our generation does not appreciate or defend its freedom.


This is not an attack on the writers. This was just my wierd personal preconceptions on what the game would be like. I realise a greyer pseudo villain may screw up the whole story structure Unfortunately I think there would only be a niche demand for a prequel book of Loghain/Cauthrien adventures.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 01 décembre 2009 - 02:35 .

[Ulicus]

I can't help but have a huge soft spot for Loghain.  This is mainly because he looks like Kain (Legacy of Kain) and has the same voice actor.

[Taleroth]

Ulicus wrote...

I can't help but have a huge soft spot for Loghain.  This is mainly because he looks like Kain (Legacy of Kain) and has the same voice actor.

Oh, if only he was nearly as likeable as Kain.  I would have definitely sacrificed my character for him to the tune of "I am, as before, your right hand. Your sword."

[blacksaber]

Von Salza wrote...

Do as the Romans did to stop the Huns, ask for the aid of the Visigoths (Orlais), plan to have them take the bulk of the Huns (Darkspawn) assault, arrive "late" destroy the remaining Darkspawn and even the Orlais army in the "confusion", (saying the Orlesians attacked the Freldens), even killing the King and remaining Wardens in the process, Proclaiming himself King and uniting Ferelden against Orlais...

It sounds and great, but that's why we talk **** and play game for fun
on the otherhand seem to me in this game Orlais is the Romans and Ferelan is like Visigoths.  In the past the powerful Orlais and their archons even thought of overthrow God, what make u think  Fereldan can set trap and manipulate them.  the Orlais would be all over Fereldan again if some of their knights killed in that situation