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[MaestroX101]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

Some of the response has been unnecessary, but the OP misses the part where Bioware haven't actually done anything to ease the issues that fans have with the game (Apart from the patronising "Don't worry! We are listening to you with our earmuffs on!"). The customer is always right, even if they are whiny scum.

Okay, let's play PR here. What would you do differently post-game release?

Modifié par MaestroX101, 21 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[AkiKishi]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

It's very difficult to get gamers to agree on anything as rule. This is quite unpresidented for so many people to be pulling in the same direction over one thing. A true testament to the craptasticness of the ME3 endings.

[MaestroX101]

Arkitekt wrote...

So they say they want players to have closure, so we will have closure? I find your blind faith disturbing.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[jacinda1234]

Chances are we will get the ''true ending'' and all this ''we DO care about the fans'' talk was all because we would feel better about paying for the DLC that's coming, basically making themselves look like the heroes.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

He's right, guys. I'm not even such an ardent ME fanboy. I think the series blends a lot of elements together greatly, shows what games can do and all that, but I'm more of a fan of titles like Origins, KotOR, Bloodlines, etc.

And I mean, really... they get it, everyone gets it. Keep asking the hard questions, don't let them forget about Mass Effect 3, etc... but chill. It's like you've got room for nothing else in your life than arguing over this game, some of you.

No one cares if you think a developer posting a reply here on the forums is him trying to 'humanize' the company and 'deflecting' valid questions at all turns. get a life guys.

[Capt Shanderson2]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

It's very difficult to get gamers to agree on anything as rule. This is quite unpresidented for so many people to be pulling in the same direction over one thing. A true testament to the craptasticness of the ME3 endings.

With the indoctrination theory applied, it actually makes the ending ingenious. Of course Bioware hasn't said whether or not it's true. I'd like to think it is though.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

It's very difficult to get gamers to agree on anything as rule. This is quite unpresidented for so many people to be pulling in the same direction over one thing. A true testament to the craptasticness of the ME3 endings.

not everyone agrees on mass effect 3's ending either.

[BatmanPWNS]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

It's very difficult to get gamers to agree on anything as rule. This is quite unpresidented for so many people to be pulling in the same direction over one thing. A true testament to the craptasticness of the ME3 endings.

Yes I know it's usually very unlikely but now people have had a taste of it and I am worried they'll do this with every future Bioware game that has a huge epic fail. Cuz, eventually , Bioware will fail again one day.

[MaestroX101]

atis wrote...

I want to trust bioware but this hole thing has me spooked I'm praying this hole thing is a setup for this indoctrination theory. but It probably is not

Blame your spookedness on the unnecessary overwhelming response for the ending.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Capt Shanderson2 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

It's very difficult to get gamers to agree on anything as rule. This is quite unpresidented for so many people to be pulling in the same direction over one thing. A true testament to the craptasticness of the ME3 endings.

With the indoctrination theory applied, it actually makes the ending ingenious. Of course Bioware hasn't said whether or not it's true. I'd like to think it is though.

So Shepard could be indoctrinated and imagining things??

[Capt Shanderson2]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Capt Shanderson2 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

It's very difficult to get gamers to agree on anything as rule. This is quite unpresidented for so many people to be pulling in the same direction over one thing. A true testament to the craptasticness of the ME3 endings.

With the indoctrination theory applied, it actually makes the ending ingenious. Of course Bioware hasn't said whether or not it's true. I'd like to think it is though.

So Shepard could be indoctrinated and imagining things??

Yeah.

[Objectivity]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

Some of the response has been unnecessary, but the OP misses the part where Bioware haven't actually done anything to ease the issues that fans have with the game (Apart from the patronising "Don't worry! We are listening to you with our earmuffs on!"). The customer is always right, even if they are whiny scum.

Bioware isn't required to make a game that you like. They're under no obligation to give you the ending that you want. It's their job to make the best game they possibly can given the limitation they face. They can't please everyone and shouldn't try; if they did that, their games would look like almost everyone else's.

It's in their best interest to keep customers happy, but giving everyone exactly what they want (if that's even possible) would be boring. Then, all the complaints would be that the game was too predictable.

The biggest problem is that Bioware promised a game that couldn't be delivered on this generation of consoles. They promised branching storylines where the game itself would take different paths thanks to decisions in the last two, instead we got short branches that always fold back to the main trunk. They promised meaningful relationships and realized it's impossible to make that much of a commitment to content only a fraction of the audience will see.

They aimed high, which is great, but they told us where they were aiming and we don't like the compromises that had to be made.

And, not for nothin', following up a property that wasn't just game of the year but quite possibly game of the generation isn't easy.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

MaestroX101 wrote...
because everything they do is for the best interest of us.

Don't be silly. They're in this to make money. If the franchise wasn't such a monumental success you wouldn't have seen more than one game much less three. They had a huge marketing budget to advertise the heck out of this game to draw more buyers in. They tweeked core game elements to encourage a larger audience. Their interests are their market value.

[iEscaflowne]

MaestroX101 wrote...

jacinda1234 wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
because everything they do is for the best interest of us.

This is so not true.

You must be thinking of EA as a whole.

Same thing.
i.imgur.com/54cxl.jpg

[MissMaster_2]

No. They should be ashamed. We have the right to get rowdy.

[Spectre Chris]

Capt Shanderson2 wrote...

A lot of people are now complaining about the fact that it will most likely cost money. They demand a better ending and Bioware gives in. Then they aren't happy with that and demand it be free.
I myself want a better ending and I am more than willing to pay for it, whatever the price may be.

This. It is ridiculous to ask for a product for free. A DLC takes up the time and resources of Bioware and they deserve compensation for it. 

[Kajan451]

Capt Shanderson2 wrote...

They demand a better ending and Bioware gives in.

Where did they give in? If you refere to the blog entry today, you are wrong. They didn't give in. They said they would consider explaining stuff. And this would take them till April until they could speak more of the subject.

Thats not giving in, thats buying time and hoping people have lost interest. They'll push it to the end of April, by then many of us will have moved on, because quite frankly the world keeps spinning.


If anything Bioware acknowledged they don't care. Its nicely worded, but buttom line is.. they don't care. They point to the critics (whose unbiased ways even got one of their lot a character in the game) and say "look they say we did great, now tell your friends we did great and sell us some more copies".

Considering explaining the ending is alot different from actually giving in and fixing it.

[justlogme]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If the ending is fixed, I hope this doesn't become a norm. Complain and make huge groups where you demand things.

   Well hopefully not evey company plains on screwing up thier endings this badly either just for the sake of "Lots of speculation" At least not after bold statements/advertising of  closure, and multiple endings were your choices actually have a impact. (Sorry i don't think anyone buys red, green, or blue, as being wildly different endings)

[MaestroX101]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
because everything they do is for the best interest of us.

Don't be silly. They're in this to make money. If the franchise wasn't such a monumental success you wouldn't have seen more than one game much less three. They had a huge marketing budget to advertise the heck out of this game to draw more buyers in. They tweeked core game elements to encourage a larger audience. Their interests are their market value.

Money is always a factor. That is a fact. But the reason why the Mass Effect series is a franchise is because the people who developed it enjoyed creating it and letting people see and play their creation. That's how video game franchises usually start. Without the passion, Mass Effect wouldn't be what it is. Without the enjoyment, Mass Effect wouldn't be what it is. To say that the Mass Effect franchise was just about money is absurd.

[Namevah]

Objectivity wrote...
Bioware isn't required to make a game that you like. They're under no obligation to give you the ending that you want.

They're also have no obligation to "fix" the ending, either. The fact that we're given this opportunity is astounding. You never see movies or books being given a new ending. Very few game companies would bother, instead moving onto their next project.

[MaestroX101]

iEscaflowne wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

jacinda1234 wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
because everything they do is for the best interest of us.

This is so not true.

You must be thinking of EA as a whole.

Same thing.
i.imgur.com/54cxl.jpg

Bioware is a label of EA. It is EA, yes, but it isn't all of EA. That's my point.
A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.

[Kajan451]

Spectre Chris wrote...

This. It is ridiculous to ask for a product for free. A DLC takes up the time and resources of Bioware and they deserve compensation for it.  

So when you order a steak in a restaurant. (and cooking is art too, by the way)  and the waitress tells you how great the steak is with its sidedish of perfectly fried french fries and sweet, tender baby carrots and green peas... and then when you get your steak you actually realize the french fries have been fried in old fat and the carrots and green peas are still frozen on the inside...

if that happens its not your right to demand them to fix it? You have to eat this dish and be happy about it? Because after all the food critic last week was marvelous and since your no gourmet you wouldn't be able to spot the Art that this steak if it would actually come with pointers?

And then... when you finally get to speak to the manager about the issue he tells you "Well, you know our critics were excelent in the news paper and if you want, i can explain the dish to you and why your french fries have been fried in old fat and why your carrots and peas are still semi frozen. Now go and tell your friends and co workers to come here to eat."

If all that happened... it wouldn't be right to demand them to take your dish back to the kitchen and fix your dish? Edit: And you actually think we should pay again for the dish that was served in such a disgusting state? Or at least pay them to take it back to the kitchen and do it right?

Modifié par Kajan451, 21 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Sal86]

Capt Shanderson2 wrote...

A lot of people are now complaining about the fact that it will most likely cost money. They demand a better ending and Bioware gives in. Then they aren't happy with that and demand it be free.
I myself want a better ending and I am more than willing to pay for it, whatever the price may be.

Yup. They already lost money by people not buying the game, they already paid for the mistake imho, I don't think there's a reason to expect them to pay for it again.

[Capt Shanderson2]

Kajan451 wrote...

Capt Shanderson2 wrote...

They demand a better ending and Bioware gives in.

Where did they give in? If you refere to the blog entry today, you are wrong. They didn't give in. They said they would consider explaining stuff. And this would take them till April until they could speak more of the subject.

Thats not giving in, thats buying time and hoping people have lost interest. They'll push it to the end of April, by then many of us will have moved on, because quite frankly the world keeps spinning.


If anything Bioware acknowledged they don't care. Its nicely worded, but buttom line is.. they don't care. They point to the critics (whose unbiased ways even got one of their lot a character in the game) and say "look they say we did great, now tell your friends we did great and sell us some more copies".

Considering explaining the ending is alot different from actually giving in and fixing it.

"Building on their research, Exec Producer
Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content
initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity
for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on
this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between
the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan
feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to
continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest
assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will,
continue."

If that isn't them saying they're going to actually make a better ending than i don't know what is.