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[HighFlyingDwarf]

MaestroX101 wrote...

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
Would you two like Bioware to send you a new finished product on a silver platter right on your doorstep at this instant?

You just invalidated any of the common sense that was in your argument to date with that ridiculous sentence.

Walk away son, walk away.

See there, even a quick solution isn't enough for you. You're just a stubborn guy that can't find a decent way to justify your accusations. I've said my arguments, gave valid supporting evidence, and even requested that you challenge me to say that I'm wrong or you're right. You've done neither. All you've done was complain about the product you received and accuse Bioware of not doing anything to fix the "problem" that really isn't anything broken in the game, just something the majority of players find unacceptable. You act like they are laughing in their offices ignoring every single comment said about the ending. If they are, that's a huge slap in the face to me, but why waste time responding and saying you have plans for future content if they have no plans for future content?

What can you do in two weeks time that can satisfy you and everyone else angry at the ending?

I have justified myself by explaining that Bioware could have prevented this situation from every occuring and pointing out that the only responses that we have got have been null responses (IE "WE ARE LISTENING").

Your ignorance of the points that I have made are plain and obvious to everyone who will read this thread.

You know the hilarious thing is this...

MaestroX101 wrote...
You act like they are laughing in their offices ignoring every single comment said about the ending. If they are, that's a huge slap in the face to me, but why waste time responding and saying you have plans for future content if they have no plans for future content?

 

FUTURE CONTENT /=/ A NEW ENDING

FUTURE CONTENT WILL NOT FIX UNDERLYING ISSUES WITH THE GAME AS A WHOLE.

FUTURE CONTENT IS INTENDED TO NICKLE AND DIME THE CONSUMER.

You ARE being slapped in the face by a company which is laughing their way to the bank. Stop looking at this situation through rose tinted glasses and accept the truth!

[Farbautisonn]

MaestroX101 wrote...
Would you two like Bioware to send you a new finished product on a silver platter right on your doorstep at this instant?

-That would be aces? Please? 

[bleachorange]

Farbautisonn wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...
Would you two like Bioware to send you a new finished product on a silver platter right on your doorstep at this instant?

-That would be aces? Please? 

I would be ecstatic, providing the product didn't blow up when I was done with it.

[Kajan451]

FemmeShep wrote...

This doesn't mean you can demand and command them around. But the same goes for them.

Oh you actually can demand. If your demands will be met is the different story. Other than that, well said.

[WizenSlinky0]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

If the fans had only offered careful and elegantly worded objections to the ending EA would not have done anything.

lol while I agree with your post, my argument is that careful and elegantly worded objections are in fact okay. Wreckless and destructive worded critisims are not. In a nutshell, that's what I'm trying to say.

It's kind of a shame sometimes. My aunt can pretty much get anything she wants from companies. She's pushy, bossy, and aggressive.  She works in management for retail. She knows it's the only way to get what you want because she works with the people who have to give you what you want in the end.

There's a running joke in our family that if you want to get a refund, or something from a company, call her.

It's just a shame that as terrible as it is the noisiest, angriest, consumers are more likely to get what they want because the company just wants them to go the hell away.

Of course I can never bring myself to do that. I'd rather be professional and polite in as many situations as I possibly can.

[Salis777]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

If the fans had only offered careful and elegantly worded objections to the ending EA would not have done anything.

lol while I agree with your post, my argument is that careful and elegantly worded objections are in fact okay. Wreckless and destructive worded critisims are not. In a nutshell, that's what I'm trying to say.

Agreed, but again you're never going to control the 2% that are bored and use this to flamewar people.  Most of this has been very constructive, and massive feedback about a legitimate concern.  Historic really, and far far more civilised than any forum I've seen - take a look at WoW some time, ugh.

I think there are a lot of people trying to 'support' Bioware, I think what I'd say is, the people criticizing the endings are indirectly also trying to support the company.  The design process is very blinkered, it's hard to see 'outside' what you're making and feedback (even if it is very passionate and loud) is CRITICAL.

[MaestroX101]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

 Okay, I get it. Bioware gets it. Most of you were disatisfied with the ending. A lot of people went to great lengths to "hold the line", demanding a new ending. Voicing your opinion. Raising money (I still have my thoughts about that, but that's a different issue), complaining to the FTC, even making unnecessary threats and comments to the Bioware staff. Even through all of the constructive and destructive criticism (props to all who kept it classy at least), Bioware never turned their backs to their fans. They never shut them down. They never pulled a Gordan Ramsey and said screw off for the lack of a better word. They listened, they updated, and they made sure that we all knew that through the midst of everything, our opinion still mattered.

But even after today, the biggest update as far as what Bioware plans to do for the future of ME3, people still make their doubts known, saying "this DLC is probably gonna suck" or "they still won't give us closure", even though Bioware has said numerous times that they want players to have their closure. There are still people who won't even take the time to give Bioware a chance. For one, the game's only been out for two weeks. It takes a LOT longer than two weeks to make any extra content, especially when it comes to voice acting, visuals, level design, and integrating it with the many different possible variables taken from each of the different games. Like it or not, Mass Effect is a complex game, and as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

For those that are upset at the ending but have waited patiently for Bioware to come up with a solution, continue supporting them, because everything they do is for the best interest of us.

For those who continue to think that Bioware isn't listening, who think Bioware's customer service is the worst ever, who think that Bioware doesn't love its fans, and who have downright cut ties with Bioware (well, if you're reading this and have said you're done with Bioware, you're obviously still on the forums, right?), what makes you think you deserve any of this? A lot of you sound like whiny little children, one of those Sweet 16 girls that aren't satisfied that their red Escalade isn't blue or that their elephant isn't a unicorn. Do you deserve ANYTHING that you're given with the way you act, and if you believe your words and actions are justified, explain why!

Always been polite and constructive myself and i'll take up your last challenge and justify why some people are still upset.

While more posts from Bioware regarding trying to act on fan feedback and strike a balance are welcome, fans are still doubtful because of two key reasons.

Reason One- their responses are still to vague and open to interpretation. To be fair i can understand why given the backlash. Whats needed is a clear statement that says exactly what their plan is.

Reason Two- Bioware lied to their fanbase to sell this game. Regardless of wether people like the ending or not, several key statements made by the development team of this game regarding the games ending were lies. Thats not an opinion its a fact.

Playing the artistic card, praising the team, telling us about 75 perfect reviews doesnt change the fact that THEY LIED to us.

All that said im still giving them the benefit of the doubt myself. I do take a lot of positivity from Dr Ray's post today I posted a rather lengthy response in that thread, but April will be crunch time for me.

Thanks for your respectful response. I've said before that I didn't spend the last few monts pre-release watching videos and looking at promises as far as the ending is concerned. If you ask me, promising what the ending will be like might as well be a spoiler. If Bioware did lie to their consumers, the consumer has every right to be angry and upset, but at the same time, they have to at least let Bioware fix the problem. If they can fix it, fine, but consumers can't expect a quick fix to it, because from what it seems like, Bioware wasn't even half prepared for this backlash.

If you want to be clear and concise about your future plans, you have to at least have future plans. From what I read, most everything is still up in the air, but it's not like there's nothing at all. If after Dr. Ray's blog post Bioward doesn't come up with something by the end of April, I expect more backlash, but that will be the result of a small, yet definite response when it comes to an ETA. It's not precise, but April is always better to hear than Spring.

[kbct]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

FUTURE CONTENT /=/ A NEW ENDING

FUTURE CONTENT WILL NOT FIX UNDERLYING ISSUES WITH THE GAME AS A WHOLE.

Agreed. At least it doesn't sound like it from Ray's statement. It sounds like they are gonna describe the colors and god-child in more detail, not change the ending. Even that sounds like a major concession:

"Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility."

Sounds like his first instinct was to tell us to go fly a kite.

[Rafe34]

MaestroX101 wrote...

For those that are upset at the ending but have waited patiently for Bioware to come up with a solution, continue supporting them, because everything they do is for the best interest of us.

Do you have a pony over there in your nice little fantasy world? Everything Bioware does is in the best interest for their bottom line. Hopefully, that also coincides with what makes their fans happy- it usually does. But don't spin it like the corporate head gives a crap about its playerbase except how best to make money off of them. That's just how businesses work- at least the really big ones.

[bleachorange]

Responding to the OP, I think you should keep your comments and insinuations at the most classy level possible. Otherwise, it's a feast for trolls. I understand what you're trying to say, but no lasting forgiveness occurs through words alone. It takes actions, and results.

Those are what I'm waiting for.

If the DLC suffers from similar faults as the existing ending, can you blame me for leaving? Maybe, but ti shouldn't matter to you personally. If it's merely good, or a "smoothing over" of the existing ending, I'll probably be extremely wary of Bioware for some time to come. It will take an EPIC ending for me to forgive (not forget) this. I don't need to be a genius to know Bioware won't forget.

[Stanley Woo]

Complaining about complaint threads is unproductive.

End of line.