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[The Angry One]

I'm sick and tired of BioWare hiding behind this, it seems they've taken the views of hack journalists to heart and are running around calling this ending "art".
No, Mass Effect 3 was art. The ending was like taking a beautiful painting and covering it with tar.
You're not defending art, BioWare, you're defending the tar that covers it.

I don't want to be talked down to and have it explained to me in game just why this ending is deep. It is n ot. It is mean spirited, malicious and cruel. It is thoughtless, hateful and without hope.
It violates the theme of Mass Effect and ruins the characters.

Take a lesson from Bethesda and admit when you're wrong, BioWare. The game is the artistic integrity you must preserve, not this slapdash failure of an ending.

Now, some of you may disagree. Fine, you can keep your ending and I hope you enjoy it, but I will keep fighting for mine. I will not "settle".

[Rhyth]

When I finished the game, and I saw the galaxy's network of Mass Relays supernova.
I imagined the most beautiful painting possible, then someone putting it down on the ground and taking a dump on it.

I sat in awe of the ending...I could not believe they ruined a whole trilogy in 10 minutes flat.

[superwampa]

The Angry One wrote...



Take a lesson from Bethesda and admit when you're wrong, BioWare. The game is the artistic integrity you must preserve, not this slapdash failure of an ending.

Can someone enlighten me on what Bethesda did? 

[noob25]

So you want it changed to what you want?

[Grasich]

superwampa wrote...

The Angry One wrote...



Take a lesson from Bethesda and admit when you're wrong, BioWare. The game is the artistic integrity you must preserve, not this slapdash failure of an ending.

Can someone enlighten me on what Bethesda did? 

They screwed up FO3's ending, then went and created Broken Steel to fix it, even admitting "We made a mistake"

[The Angry One]

noob25 wrote...

So you want it changed to what you want?

I want it changed to what we were promised.
The arthouse crowd can keep their grimdark endings. I want other options, again, as promised.

[Melchiah109]

It's a normal PR tactic. Poke the people complaining until they finally rage and you can then write their arguments off.

[asyntheticdesign]

Its just what their PR people are telling them to say. Since they think those types of statements will come across more sincere than just telling the fans to eff off. OWAIT

[LordHelfort]

Games are not art, will never be art and should not be art.

They are a product and entertainment, and should be constrained by the rules regulating those categories.

[Daedalus1773]

As far as the "artistic integrity" argument goes, I get what BioWare is saying. Artistically, the story has only ever been shown from Shepard's point of view. To my knowledge, we've never seen a single cutscene of anything happening anywhere in this universe that Shepard wasn't directly involved in (correction: except the foreshadowing fleet of Reapers flying towards the Milky Way at the end of ME1). So ... I can guess that's why they didn't do epilogues? Shepard dies, end of story, insert lame cutscene about the Normandy crashing. Unless their plan all along was to have the DLC be the epilogues & make us pay to find out what happens to them.

And it was established in ME1 that the Mass Relay network was created & left in place by the Reapers to guide the technological advancement of species in predictable ways. So destroying the relay network would be "true" to "freeing" the galaxy from the Reapers influence. For those inclined to be artistically married to that theme anyway.

I agree with you, the ending is crap. But I "get" the artistic arguments. As someone else so eloquently put it on these forums - their "artistic" ending is like slapping a duck face on the Mona Lisa.

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 21 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[The Angry One]

Oh I can see what they're doing, even dedicating a whole paragraph to accusations of barely-existant abuse (fringe elements always exist, and the have nothing to do with the rest of us).

We just have to remain strong and not settle for some sort of cynical explanation for nonsensical events.

[ArkkAngel007]

Melchiah109 wrote...

It's a normal PR tactic. Poke the people complaining until they finally rage and you can then write their arguments off.

How were our arguments getting written off?  Just because they didn't explain to us, who know already, what our issues are with the ending?

They conceded they made a mistake without declaring that they did with PR talk.  Until they make the official announcement, hopefully in 2 weeks, we will continue to be given the PR responses.

[Lugaidster]

*sigh* So you want them to kiss your ass and lick your feet? You want them to say "You're right, our endings suck balls"? It seems pretty unrealistic to me that they won't try and defend their own product. I think your nickname is pretty appropriate, given the circumstances.

[noob25]

The Angry One wrote...

noob25 wrote...

So you want it changed to what you want?

I want it changed to what we were promised.
The arthouse crowd can keep their grimdark endings. I want other options, again, as promised.

We were promised something other than the end of Shepard's story?

[Mcjon01]

superwampa wrote...

The Angry One wrote...



Take a lesson from Bethesda and admit when you're wrong, BioWare. The game is the artistic integrity you must preserve, not this slapdash failure of an ending.

Can someone enlighten me on what Bethesda did? 

People thought it was stupid that you were forced to sacrifice yourself or another character to death by radiation at the end of Fallout 3, when by that time you had a bunch of people immune to radiation willing to fight with you.  So they released an expansion that let you choose one of them instead, and added a bunch of post-game content to boot.

[The Angry One]

Daedalus1773 wrote...
And it was established in ME1 that the Mass Relay network was created & left in place by the Reapers to guide the technological advancement of species in predictable ways. So destroying the relay network would be "true" to "freeing" the galaxy from the Reapers influence. For those inclined to be artistically married to that theme anyway.

This just doesn't work, the universe they created needs the mass relays to survive.
It also doesn't work thematically. They're still using the technology, they were still "guided". Now that the Reapers are gone, their influence is too. The mass relays are merely tools.
Destroying them betrays every single character you have ever helped across the entire trilogy.

[ArkkAngel007]

noob25 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

noob25 wrote...

So you want it changed to what you want?

I want it changed to what we were promised.
The arthouse crowd can keep their grimdark endings. I want other options, again, as promised.

We were promised something other than the end of Shepard's story?

Interviews were done that described the endings being more than a, b, and c, and that we would see the result of our choices in said endings.

It wasn't a promise, but it was information that gave us a false impression.

[Melchiah109]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

It's a normal PR tactic. Poke the people complaining until they finally rage and you can then write their arguments off.

How were our arguments getting written off?  Just because they didn't explain to us, who know already, what our issues are with the ending?

They conceded they made a mistake without declaring that they did with PR talk.  Until they make the official announcement, hopefully in 2 weeks, we will continue to be given the PR responses.

I suggest you reread what I wrote. Unless you're raging and calling up Bioware devs to talk about their mums, then I doubt you have to worry about it.

[Generic Name]

There's no artistic integrity in a choose your own adventure game.

[The Angry One]

noob25 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

noob25 wrote...

So you want it changed to what you want?

I want it changed to what we were promised.
The arthouse crowd can keep their grimdark endings. I want other options, again, as promised.

We were promised something other than the end of Shepard's story?

Don't be a troll. We were promised multiple endings that reflected our actions, endings that didn't end in A, B or C.
You should be well aware of this, if you aren't I suggest you take the time to learn.

[JrSlackin]

It's a defense that is used when any sort of medium is disliked.

Bad X = You're not respecting the artistic vision.

[TheRealMithril]

It's the players story. Sure, they wrote the lines, built the settings. But in the end it is the literary equivalent of handing us a canvas, and a limited set of brushes and colors. Then telling us to "draw something about a geth getting killed" etc.. While they set the stage, we as players actually painted the picture. So not only is there  "tar" on my painting, they refuse to remove it.

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 21 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[d-boy15]

noob25 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

noob25 wrote...

So you want it changed to what you want?

I want it changed to what we were promised.
The arthouse crowd can keep their grimdark endings. I want other options, again, as promised.

We were promised something other than the end of Shepard's story?

-16 different endings not a,b,c (in fact, we got R,G,.

-Endings that reflect with choice we made.

-Every questions will be answered. no thing left for 'speculation'

[Daedalus1773]

The Angry One wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...
And it was established in ME1 that the Mass Relay network was created & left in place by the Reapers to guide the technological advancement of species in predictable ways. So destroying the relay network would be "true" to "freeing" the galaxy from the Reapers influence. For those inclined to be artistically married to that theme anyway.

This just doesn't work, the universe they created needs the mass relays to survive.
It also doesn't work thematically. They're still using the technology, they were still "guided". Now that the Reapers are gone, their influence is too. The mass relays are merely tools.
Destroying them betrays every single character you have ever helped across the entire trilogy.

I agree completely. It's not my argument, it's just how I imagine the discussion going in the BioWare offices when the writing team decided that in EVERY ending they HAD to destroy the Relay network.  That's the one piece of the ending that guts me as well.  Utterly destroyed galactic civilization, and undoes everything you worked so hard to accomplish. It's utterly arbitrary.

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 21 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[noob25]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

noob25 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

noob25 wrote...

So you want it changed to what you want?

I want it changed to what we were promised.
The arthouse crowd can keep their grimdark endings. I want other options, again, as promised.

We were promised something other than the end of Shepard's story?

Interviews were done that described the endings being more than a, b, and c, and that we would see the result of our choices in said endings.

It wasn't a promise, but it was information that gave us a false impression.

Ah ok, thanks for the reply.