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[Shaun72]

Sorry....double post.

Modifié par Shaun72, 21 mars 2012 - 09:38 .

[Shaun72]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Shaun72 wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

Shaun72 wrote...

The link to the Twitter statment regarding the lead writer being responsible for the ending:

https://twitter.com/...386782042324992

(Just confirming the part of the OP that is actual fact)


And for the record....They should have given the ending to Patrick Weekes and John Dombrow (Garrus, Genophage plot) to write. It would have been epic.

I thought Mac Walters wrote Garrus.

I thought Patrick wrote him in ME1 and 2 but John Dombrow definitely wrote him in ME3.

So what did Walters write?

All I can confirm is that he wrote the end.....I have no idea what else. I guess he 'supervised' the other writers......although it's obvious now that they should have been supervising him instead.

[Radwar]

Problem is, you would expect Bioware to deny this, so back to square one.

[Fulgrim88]

jumpingkaede wrote...


So what did Walters write?

Probably the frame narrative (We need to build that huge ancient superweapon that nobody knows anything about) and the ending.

Those two strike me as being borne out of the same ingenious mind

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 21 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[SmellyMetal]

Chris Priestly can say what he wants, some video game site mentioned:

"That being said, the text in question does seem to have some insider knowledge of Mass Effect 3's development process, and subsequent responses on the Penny Arcade forums, as well as one trusted firsthand source, have indicated to us that the text in question did, in fact, originate with the Takyris account. That's obviously not solid proof that Weekes penned the post himself, but it's quite clear that the situation isn't cut and dry either way. "

So you can never be too sure...if it was real, they would act like it's fake anyway lol

[Vap0ur_Snake]

I knew that was too good to be true.

He would have been well sacked if it was real the IMHO.

[gao gao]

it's fake because some goon from bioware says so? fact is, that post was originally posted from that dude's account. sounds like he just got scared for his crappy job at bioware.

it's not like this is the first time bioware has straight up lied to us.

[jmarkows]

It wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true that the ending was not peer-reviewed. It just ends, and there is no cohesion. It's a series of disjointed cutscenes with no explanation, and then credits.

[FemmeShep]

I feel torn on this guys. I mean, I updated the OP with the info that it was fake, because Chris said it was fake. I would like to think, BioWare would not lie. They addressed it head on, and I respect that. What's more, they allowed this conversation to even happen, when other companies would rage out and lock threads, ban people.

But at the same time, there is a lot of people saying that it is real. We know for a fact that Patrick posts on Penny Arcade. And the account that is his, was said to be seen to have posted this. The 2nd pastebin was in fact proven to be from Patrick (but this was just about his work on the game). The first pastebin allegedly came from the post on the forum.

And that will neve be found. It's been deleted. So basically, you have people that know Patrick posts on PA forum, saying it came from him. And we know that he does in fact post on there. But no 100% proof that it was posted (no physical proof, witness accounts aren't 100% reliable).

Like I said, Chris also denies it. And I really would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Why would he need to deny it? Why not just ignore it, and let it be. I doubt this was going to blow up anyways. And it was always going to lack evidence, as I said the post was deleted.

So I dunno. Just how I feel. I can't see an outcome where this is ever 100% proven real without someone stepping forward and posting a screenshot taken from the forum. And even then, there could be some doubt. Maybe someone else was using his account etc. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Malanek]

SmellyMetal wrote...

Chris Priestly can say what he wants, some video game site mentioned:

"That being said, the text in question does seem to have some insider knowledge of Mass Effect 3's development process, and subsequent responses on the Penny Arcade forums, as well as one trusted firsthand source, have indicated to us that the text in question did, in fact, originate with the Takyris account. That's obviously not solid proof that Weekes penned the post himself, but it's quite clear that the situation isn't cut and dry either way. "

So you can never be too sure...if it was real, they would act like it's fake anyway lol

It's taking some public knowledge about one of the writers to gain some believability and then adding a whole lot on top. What would the writers motivation for writing such a piece be? To have a rant? Any decent person would do that behind closed doors.

[FemmeShep]

Malanek999 wrote...

SmellyMetal wrote...

Chris Priestly can say what he wants, some video game site mentioned:

"That being said, the text in question does seem to have some insider knowledge of Mass Effect 3's development process, and subsequent responses on the Penny Arcade forums, as well as one trusted firsthand source, have indicated to us that the text in question did, in fact, originate with the Takyris account. That's obviously not solid proof that Weekes penned the post himself, but it's quite clear that the situation isn't cut and dry either way. "

So you can never be too sure...if it was real, they would act like it's fake anyway lol

It's taking some public knowledge about one of the writers to gain some believability and then adding a whole lot on top. What would the writers motivation for writing such a piece be? To have a rant? Any decent person would do that behind closed doors.

Well, Patrick does discuss things on that forum. He usually posts them, then deletes after an hour. They have an understanding there, where they are not to screencap or repeat what he says. Something someone obviously would have had to of broken.

I don't see why writers can't write about their feelings. Especially among friends. Anyways, you bring up a good point. Someone could easily take info they already have, and make this up based on other things he's said. Would be easy enough to do. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[bryan12112]

Hm...

Interesting.

[Fulgrim88]

FemmeShep wrote...

I feel torn on this guys. I mean, I updated the OP with the info that it was fake, because Chris said it was fake. I would like to think, BioWare would not lie. They addressed it head on, and I respect that. What's more, they allowed this conversation to even happen, when other companies would rage out and lock threads, ban people.

But at the same time, there is a lot of people saying that it is real. We know for a fact that Patrick posts on Penny Arcade. And the account that is his, was said to be seen to have posted this. The 2nd pastebin was in fact proven to be from Patrick (but this was just about his work on the game). The first pastebin allegedly came from the post on the forum.

And that will neve be found. It's been deleted. So basically, you have people that know Patrick posts on PA forum, saying it came from him. And we know that he does in fact post on there. But no 100% proof that it was posted (no physical proof, witness accounts aren't 100% reliable).

Like I said, Chris also denies it. And I really would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Why would he need to deny it? Why not just ignore it, and let it be. I doubt this was going to blow up anyways. And it was always going to lack evidence, as I said the post was deleted.

So I dunno. Just how I feel. I can't see an outcome where this is ever 100% proven real without someone stepping forward and posting a screenshot taken from the forum. And even then, there could be some doubt. Maybe someone else was using his account etc. 

Just drop it.

What would confirming that it was Patrick accomplish? Why does it matter?

The guy who wrote the stuff quoted in the OP has a point, whoever it was. And it's safe to assume that there are people at Bioware who feel the same about the ending as we do. So yeah, rest assured, they aren't all out of their minds. (But the rest of the game being great as it was, should have already told us that)

It's also safe to assume that it was not Patrick, because 1. he knows better than to risk his job like that and 2. he said he didn't, and heck, why not simply believe him.
It's almost like you're deliberately trying to get him in trouble  <_<


Bottom line: Discuss the post, for it is valid and interesting, but for gods sake, let's all stop trying to pin this on somebody

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 21 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[John Epler]

gao gao wrote...

it's fake because some goon from bioware says so? fact is, that post was originally posted from that dude's account. sounds like he just got scared for his crappy job at bioware.

it's not like this is the first time bioware has straight up lied to us.

Once again, personal attacks are unacceptable.

User banned. Let's stay civil.

[FemmeShep]

John Epler wrote...

gao gao wrote...

it's fake because some goon from bioware says so? fact is, that post was originally posted from that dude's account. sounds like he just got scared for his crappy job at bioware.

it's not like this is the first time bioware has straight up lied to us.

Once again, personal attacks are unacceptable.

User banned. Let's stay civil.

Agreed, calling someone names is uncalled for. As a side note, I think the mods should get more recognition. They've allowed really sensitive conversations to happen, and have been really fair and calm.

I don't know how anyone could be a mod on a board like this (during this time). They IMO have done a great job. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 21 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[pb1285n]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I feel torn on this guys. I mean, I updated the OP with the info that it was fake, because Chris said it was fake. I would like to think, BioWare would not lie. They addressed it head on, and I respect that. What's more, they allowed this conversation to even happen, when other companies would rage out and lock threads, ban people.

But at the same time, there is a lot of people saying that it is real. We know for a fact that Patrick posts on Penny Arcade. And the account that is his, was said to be seen to have posted this. The 2nd pastebin was in fact proven to be from Patrick (but this was just about his work on the game). The first pastebin allegedly came from the post on the forum.

And that will neve be found. It's been deleted. So basically, you have people that know Patrick posts on PA forum, saying it came from him. And we know that he does in fact post on there. But no 100% proof that it was posted (no physical proof, witness accounts aren't 100% reliable).

Like I said, Chris also denies it. And I really would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Why would he need to deny it? Why not just ignore it, and let it be. I doubt this was going to blow up anyways. And it was always going to lack evidence, as I said the post was deleted.

So I dunno. Just how I feel. I can't see an outcome where this is ever 100% proven real without someone stepping forward and posting a screenshot taken from the forum. And even then, there could be some doubt. Maybe someone else was using his account etc. 

Just drop it.

What would confirming that it was Patrick accomplish? Why does it matter?

The guy who wrote the stuff quoted in the OP has a point, whoever it was. And it's safe to assume that there are people at Bioware who feel the same about the ending as we do. So yeah, rest assured, they aren't all out of their minds. (But the rest of the game being great as it was, should have already told us that)

It's also safe to assume that it was not Patrick, because 1. he knows better than to risk his job like that and 2. he said he didn't, and heck, why not simply believe him.
It's almost like you're deliberately trying to get him in troube here <_<

Because it throws the 'artistic integrity' argument out the window. No, we'll never know if it is true or not. If it turns out to be true, it had to be infuriating not having a say in the ending to a story you've been working on for years because some higher up decided he wanted a pseudo intellectual ending void or any emotion at all.

[anexanhume]

John Epler wrote...

gao gao wrote...

it's fake because some goon from bioware says so? fact is, that post was originally posted from that dude's account. sounds like he just got scared for his crappy job at bioware.

it's not like this is the first time bioware has straight up lied to us.

Once again, personal attacks are unacceptable.

User banned. Let's stay civil.

Thank you.

[Fulgrim88]

pb1285n wrote...

Because it throws the 'artistic integrity' argument out the window. No, we'll never know if it is true or not. If it turns out to be true, it had to be infuriating not having a say in the ending to a story you've been working on for years because some higher up decided he wanted a pseudo intellectual ending void or any emotion at all.

Yeah that's why the post in itself warrants discussion.

But again, point in getting somebody fired because of it is...?

And it's not like this is all such a shocking revelation anyway. Just looking at the stark difference between the ending and the writing in the rest of the game is reason enough to assume that it was either written by someone else than the rest of the game, not properly peer reviewed, or both.
No need to have a Dev confirm it, especially not at such a high cost.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 21 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[Midarenkov]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

pb1285n wrote...

Because it throws the 'artistic integrity' argument out the window. No, we'll never know if it is true or not. If it turns out to be true, it had to be infuriating not having a say in the ending to a story you've been working on for years because some higher up decided he wanted a pseudo intellectual ending void or any emotion at all.

Yeah that's why the post in itself warrants discussion.

But again, point in getting somebody fired because of it is...?

And it's not like this is all such a shocking revelation anyway. Just looking at the stark difference between the ending and the writing in the rest of the game is reason enough to assume that it was either written by someone else than the rest of the game, not properly peer reviewed, or both.
No need to have a Dev confirm it, especially not at such a high cost.

I agree, it would help no one for him to be fired for something he may or may not have said. That being said, regardless of whether he wrote this or not, the post does bring up many good points.

[Asuka Bianchini]

Mac Walters wrote Garrus in ME1....

[CavScout]

It's sad how much this RetakeME3 and Indoctrination Theory crowd will fake and edit material to support their positions. Kinda of shows how weak their positions are.

[SoraStrife]

As an aside, is not one of the first reactions people have to the ending is that "It felt like it was written by an entirely different team than the rest of Mass Effect?"

Real or fake, the post does give good speculation (for everyone!) on why that feeling was evoked

[jess05]

Locking or deleting the topic would cause more of a problem.

So long as everyone is being civil, locking or deleting would be admitting it was all true. (or would give the impression they were trying to hide something)


Stating its fake and allowing the thread to continue is the only logical choice, regardless if its fake or true.

[Shaun72]

CavScout wrote...

It's sad how much this RetakeME3 and Indoctrination Theory crowd will fake and edit material to support their positions. Kinda of shows how weak their positions are.

It's also kind of sad that you never have anything to add to a discussion except to bash others in every thread you show up in. Do you have any thoughts of your own or are you always on auto-troll?

[Scoob]

After Bioware lied to our us about the From Ashed DLC not being on the disk, i have absolutely no reason to trust them. No offense, but after everything that has happened i am going to take anything coming out of that general direction with a bag of salt. Bioware has not been very honest with us lately.

Modifié par Scoob, 21 mars 2012 - 11:08 .