Gigamantis wrote...
3 different endings. I repeat, what did they lie about?ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
They told you your decisions could result in various different endings. What did they lie about?nevar00 wrote...
Not at all. They flat out lied about their product. That's all there is to it.
....it didn't result in various different endings?
Guest_corpselover_*
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
corpselover wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
"Just because I don't feel like that" is no legal or ethical justification for forcing a business to change their practices for you. It's no legal or ethical justification to file complaints with the FTC and BBB and to file lawsuits against a company to try and put them out of business. I'm sorry, that's asinine.
And for the record, I thought the ending DID make sense. The ending gave me the satisfaction I wanted, it gave me sense of accomplishment I wanted, and I LIKED it. So, who's right in this situation? You, who says it doesn't make sense, or me, who says it does? How do you settle that dispute?
Oh, don't bother answering. I know your answer already.
Logic? Narrative consistency?
You can't throw out an argument that you can't defend and then support it by telling people not to respond. That is not a valid defense of your position.
I can defend the HELL out of it, don't accuse me of not being able to. I simply know that people on your side will always claim to be right, and will always claim me to be an idiot, simply because I liked something you don't.
Farbautisonn wrote...
nssBoB wrote...
cool, now go try return box of chocolate after you ate it.
If you eat most of the chocolate from a box only to find out it "did not live up to your expectations" most major chocolatiers will actually let you return it... hell they will send you a new and larger box if you are even half right about what you claim.
Guest_corpselover_*
corpselover wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
corpselover wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
"Just because I don't feel like that" is no legal or ethical justification for forcing a business to change their practices for you. It's no legal or ethical justification to file complaints with the FTC and BBB and to file lawsuits against a company to try and put them out of business. I'm sorry, that's asinine.
And for the record, I thought the ending DID make sense. The ending gave me the satisfaction I wanted, it gave me sense of accomplishment I wanted, and I LIKED it. So, who's right in this situation? You, who says it doesn't make sense, or me, who says it does? How do you settle that dispute?
Oh, don't bother answering. I know your answer already.
Logic? Narrative consistency?
You can't throw out an argument that you can't defend and then support it by telling people not to respond. That is not a valid defense of your position.
I can defend the HELL out of it, don't accuse me of not being able to. I simply know that people on your side will always claim to be right, and will always claim me to be an idiot, simply because I liked something you don't.
You can like the ending all you want. There is nothing wrong with that. Its is flawed though, and parts of it do not make sense. Some people can look past the flaws, and some can't. That does not mean they don't exist.
corpselover wrote...
And if you don't want to have the argument don't bring up the point. You can't just say your piece, not defend it, and then tell people not to argue it.
Gigamantis wrote...
3 different endings. I repeat, what did they lie about?ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
They told you your decisions could result in various different endings. What did they lie about?nevar00 wrote...
Not at all. They flat out lied about their product. That's all there is to it.
....it didn't result in various different endings?
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Guest_corpselover_*
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
corpselover wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
corpselover wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
"Just because I don't feel like that" is no legal or ethical justification for forcing a business to change their practices for you. It's no legal or ethical justification to file complaints with the FTC and BBB and to file lawsuits against a company to try and put them out of business. I'm sorry, that's asinine.
And for the record, I thought the ending DID make sense. The ending gave me the satisfaction I wanted, it gave me sense of accomplishment I wanted, and I LIKED it. So, who's right in this situation? You, who says it doesn't make sense, or me, who says it does? How do you settle that dispute?
Oh, don't bother answering. I know your answer already.
Logic? Narrative consistency?
You can't throw out an argument that you can't defend and then support it by telling people not to respond. That is not a valid defense of your position.
I can defend the HELL out of it, don't accuse me of not being able to. I simply know that people on your side will always claim to be right, and will always claim me to be an idiot, simply because I liked something you don't.
You can like the ending all you want. There is nothing wrong with that. Its is flawed though, and parts of it do not make sense. Some people can look past the flaws, and some can't. That does not mean they don't exist.
And I've NEVER tried saying it isn't flawed. I keep saying that despite it's flaws, I like it, and I like the feelings of satisfaction and accomplishment and hope that I get from the ending. Yet, in your eyes, that makes me an idiot, and somehow just LESS than you, and that's complete bull****.
ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
3 different endings. I repeat, what did they lie about?ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
They told you your decisions could result in various different endings. What did they lie about?nevar00 wrote...
Not at all. They flat out lied about their product. That's all there is to it.
....it didn't result in various different endings?
They promised various endings where the choices played a role in the outcome. That did not happen.
Look, for what it's worth, I honestly really don't care whether they lied or not. I'm actually pretty much okay with what we've got. However, I would like for them to spell out a few things about the aftermath of Shepard's decision at the end. Change the ending or not, it's still a great game.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Yawn.... Prove that interviews about products do not fall under advertising laws. Or better yet show me a case that was dismissed because of it. Or heck even a case that went to court on the premise. If there is no current law, and no previous case then it is a legal grey area.
Prove that there aren't multiple endings. You can't.
Prove that your choices don't matter. You can't.
Prove this. Prove that. Prove the other thing.
If you're complaining BioWare lied, IT'S ON YOU TO PROVE THAT THEY DID, AND VAGUE COMMENTS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT SIMPLY DO NOT LIVE UP TO YOUR STANDARDS ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF LIES. God DAMN.
There is ONE statement in that laundry list of complaints about what BioWare said that is quantifiably and factually a lie. ONE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND SPECULATION IF NOT OUTRIGHT FACTUALLY ACCURATE - EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
You want to make a case against them for lying about Multiplayer being required? HAVE AT IT. I won't even try defending that. Be my freaking guest.
But everything else, EVERYTHING, has no legal or factual leg to stand on.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
3 different endings. I repeat, what did they lie about?ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
They told you your decisions could result in various different endings. What did they lie about?nevar00 wrote...
Not at all. They flat out lied about their product. That's all there is to it.
....it didn't result in various different endings?
They promised various endings where the choices played a role in the outcome. That did not happen.
Look, for what it's worth, I honestly really don't care whether they lied or not. I'm actually pretty much okay with what we've got. However, I would like for them to spell out a few things about the aftermath of Shepard's decision at the end. Change the ending or not, it's still a great game.
If you don't have enough assets because of the choices you made, Shepard dies. If you do, he may die or may live, depending on the final decision you make.
How is that not endings where the choices you make play a role in the outcome? Ugh.
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Yawn.... Prove that interviews about products do not fall under advertising laws. Or better yet show me a case that was dismissed because of it. Or heck even a case that went to court on the premise. If there is no current law, and no previous case then it is a legal grey area.
Prove that there aren't multiple endings. You can't.
Prove that your choices don't matter. You can't.
Prove this. Prove that. Prove the other thing.
If you're complaining BioWare lied, IT'S ON YOU TO PROVE THAT THEY DID, AND VAGUE COMMENTS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT SIMPLY DO NOT LIVE UP TO YOUR STANDARDS ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF LIES. God DAMN.
There is ONE statement in that laundry list of complaints about what BioWare said that is quantifiably and factually a lie. ONE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND SPECULATION IF NOT OUTRIGHT FACTUALLY ACCURATE - EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
You want to make a case against them for lying about Multiplayer being required? HAVE AT IT. I won't even try defending that. Be my freaking guest.
But everything else, EVERYTHING, has no legal or factual leg to stand on.
Yawn.... Sure I can. The fact that they won't address their quotes is telling enough. So I say I own a burger joint. I advertise that I have a huge variety of burgers to offer. Only you can't see the menu until you pay $60 to enter my establishment. What I offer is 3 different burgers (bbq, hawaiian, and plain) with your choice of up to four topppings of lettuce, tomato, onion and pickles. That's 3 basic burgers with slight variations in toppings. That is not a huge selection. Slam dunk deceptive advertising case.
LOLandStuff wrote...
Besides the ending, I find the metal case for the CE to be lame. Unlike the one for ME2, this one is about to fall apart.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
3 different endings. I repeat, what did they lie about?ADelusiveMan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
They told you your decisions could result in various different endings. What did they lie about?nevar00 wrote...
Not at all. They flat out lied about their product. That's all there is to it.
....it didn't result in various different endings?
They promised various endings where the choices played a role in the outcome. That did not happen.
Look, for what it's worth, I honestly really don't care whether they lied or not. I'm actually pretty much okay with what we've got. However, I would like for them to spell out a few things about the aftermath of Shepard's decision at the end. Change the ending or not, it's still a great game.
If you don't have enough assets because of the choices you made, Shepard dies. If you do, he may die or may live, depending on the final decision you make.
How is that not endings where the choices you make play a role in the outcome? Ugh.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Yawn.... Prove that interviews about products do not fall under advertising laws. Or better yet show me a case that was dismissed because of it. Or heck even a case that went to court on the premise. If there is no current law, and no previous case then it is a legal grey area.
Prove that there aren't multiple endings. You can't.
Prove that your choices don't matter. You can't.
Prove this. Prove that. Prove the other thing.
If you're complaining BioWare lied, IT'S ON YOU TO PROVE THAT THEY DID, AND VAGUE COMMENTS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT SIMPLY DO NOT LIVE UP TO YOUR STANDARDS ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF LIES. God DAMN.
There is ONE statement in that laundry list of complaints about what BioWare said that is quantifiably and factually a lie. ONE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND SPECULATION IF NOT OUTRIGHT FACTUALLY ACCURATE - EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
You want to make a case against them for lying about Multiplayer being required? HAVE AT IT. I won't even try defending that. Be my freaking guest.
But everything else, EVERYTHING, has no legal or factual leg to stand on.
Yawn.... Sure I can. The fact that they won't address their quotes is telling enough. So I say I own a burger joint. I advertise that I have a huge variety of burgers to offer. Only you can't see the menu until you pay $60 to enter my establishment. What I offer is 3 different burgers (bbq, hawaiian, and plain) with your choice of up to four topppings of lettuce, tomato, onion and pickles. That's 3 basic burgers with slight variations in toppings. That is not a huge selection. Slam dunk deceptive advertising case.
Sigh. Done with you. You're being intellectually dishonest and deceitful. You have an agenda and are refusing to acknowledge the facts because they interfere with that agenda. I have no desire to interact with people like that.
ADelusiveMan wrote...
Love how you skipped the entire second part of the post. But you know what? You're right. I was among the few who expected a bigger payoff than what we got. I got put in my place for higher expectations. I'm over that now. Like I said, keep the ending. Just clarify what exactly happened after. Galactic civilization wasn't in an exactly good state when the game ended.
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highmofo wrote...
First and foremost, let's all agree that while ME3's ending did not live up to the epicness that it could have been, the gameplay leading up to the end was nothing short of pure brilliance and excellent gameplay mechanics. Now that BW has offically responded to everyone's outcry about changing the ending I think this whole thing should die down.
One thing however has me pretty disgusted with the mass effect community, and that is the fact that people are demanding a refund for the game (Amazon and origin reportedly are). To the people who are asking for refund: Tell me you did not enjoy the playing through ME3 up until the ending; it was pure gaming bliss. To ask for a refund after completing the game is a slap to the face of all the BW employees who gave you this amazing series.
This post might get flammed by the typical "Fan boy" response. To that i say, BW has provided me with the best trilogy of gaming that i have experienced in my life. So screw you guys
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