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[Salis777]

Gigamantis wrote...

I didn't say anything about you being immoral.  I said you're not morally entitled to anything.  How's the GED working out for you?  

Apparently better than yours, because you're resorting to silly little insults.  Morality has nothing to do with it, it's a legal transaction within the bounds of the law.  You're entitled to feel how you want about it, but calling it morally anything is just ridiculous.

[Ghost Warrior]

Yeah it's ridiculous. Honestly,BSN has the weirdest and most spoiled group of fans I have seen in my entire life. Not to be offensive,I'm just being honest about my opinion here.

To buy and play through an entire game,only to ask for refund later...that's ridiculous. You already completed the game,you can't just ask for a refund if you didn't like. Everybody would be doing that then with every game.

[Guanxii]

My first playthrough I almost clocked 50 hours. Let alone multiplayer. If you were perfectly satisfied for over 50 hours in total you should owe BioWare a refund. Not ask for a refund you ungrateful b-tards.

Modifié par Guanxii, 21 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[Annora]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I...sort of have to disagree here with the majority. Maybe I shouldn't compare movies and video games but...if you went to see a movie and walked out (as the end credits roll) and demanded your money back because you didn't like it, you aren't getting your money back.

Actually, you can get your money back.

You can...if you moan enough and they give it to you just to shut you up. In which case, it's not really a refund. It's a "shut your mouth so I can get through my day" payment. If you simply didn't like your movie - tough. You sat and watched the entire thing. 

*Former theatre manager. 

Worked in theater too and people didn't even have to complain that much.

I, too, worked in a theatre, and we had a very clear line on refunds. If they walked out halfway through because it was just that bad, they got a refund. If they came out after the movie was finished, they got no refund. If you hated the movie so much, there was no reason for you to sit through the whole damn thing.

Modifié par Anastassia, 21 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[Gigamantis]

astheoceansblue wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Oh, so you're going to demand compensation over the definition of the word "wildly."  Well, that makes perfect sense.  And here I thought you were all just children who didn't know the first thing about consumer law. 

The crux of the entire arguement is the fact they used this word. "wildly different" denotes large variation. That we got three endings with the slightest changes bewtween them is miles away from the product that they explicitly promised we'd receive.

I'm not fussed about the fine points of consumer law, I'm merely stating that I think it's justified people would seek a refund based on these facts.

"Wildly" is just a buzz word used to create hype.  It's like when a UFC advertisement promises a night of INTENSE fights or a movie promises to be an ACTION PACKED THRILL RIDE.  If you end up thinking the fights are boring and the movie is bland, and try to claim false advertising you'll be laughed out of any lawyers office.  

[hex23]

Gigamantis wrote...

Bioware oversold the ending a bit.  It's called hype and it's not illegal.  If you were an adult you would realize this and still be able to enjoy what was a fantastic game. 

That better?  

Are you a retard that just likes to argue?

Regardless of how you feel, people are getting refunds for the game. Since you don't seem to understand, again....they are handing out refunds for this game.

Period. End of discussion. The sh*t you're saying has nothing to do with anything.

[Lycius]

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Of course it's ridiculous. There was no false advertising, everything about the game was delivered as promised, it works fine and on top of all of that it's a fantastic game. Children are just dumb and apparently don't understand how consumerism or the law work.

Amazon disagrees.

Any retailer can offer refunds for any reason.  Nobody is legally, or even morally, entitled to them, though. 

Only response I'm making to you in this, because you are such a blatant troll.

You are wrong, because legally refunds are required for numerous reasons, first and foremost, Lemon Laws. Go crawl back under your bridge.

[hex23]

Now that we got that out of the way, no I don't think it's ridiculous. For whatever reason they want a refund, if they can get one who am I to judge them, or the place they bought it from?

Having said that I have no plans to get a refund until I see how they handle this.

[streamlock]

Well, I'm patient enough to wait and see how this plays out. I'm holding out hope that it was some kind of masterful genius with a big reveal rather then literary suicide.

That being said, as shipped-I can sympathize with the feelings they have about being cheated, or jipped. Purchased a product on false pretenses.

Does that invalidate the 28 hours of entertainment before that? I won't pretend I can answer that for everyone.

[teh_619]

Nope.

[Gigamantis]

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I didn't say anything about you being immoral.  I said you're not morally entitled to anything.  How's the GED working out for you?  

Apparently better than yours, because you're resorting to silly little insults.  Morality has nothing to do with it, it's a legal transaction within the bounds of the law.  You're entitled to feel how you want about it, but calling it morally anything is just ridiculous.

You have absolutely no grounds for anything legally; none of you have made anything close to a legal case for fraud.  The lack of perspective generated by your general ignorance is what I'm pointing out.  Take it as an insult if you must.

The only case you have is a moral one, because you feel lied to when companies exaggerate elements of their products to hype you up.  Hype is normal, when you grow up you learn not to take it so abhorrently literal. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 21 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[darkshadow136]

Farbautisonn wrote...

I support anyone getting their money back. Go go go!

I suport their choice to do so also, Myself being a PC CE owner I can't do this, but I still hope Bioware adds a optional patch for the endings that is on the same level of quality as the rest of the series.

[astheoceansblue]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Yeah it's ridiculous. Honestly,BSN has the weirdest and most spoiled group of fans I have seen in my entire life. Not to be offensive,I'm just being honest about my opinion here.

To buy and play through an entire game,only to ask for refund later...that's ridiculous. You already completed the game,you can't just ask for a refund if you didn't like. Everybody would be doing that then with every game.

So what should we do instead? You don't think it's right to protest in some way when you feel disatisfied, and justly so when an expicit promise is made that we won't recieve X yet X is what we get?

It's not chilish, and it's not ridiculous. 

Their is a large amount of disatisfaction being voiced here, an while that's great in terms of getting attention the only real way to make companies of this stature take note is to start hitting them in the one place we know for sure they care about: their wallet. I'm pretty sure if the promise made was delivered upon, most of those who returned the game (or enough to count) would re-invest.

I'm not seeking a refund, but I compeltely understand those who are. 

[Gigamantis]

Lycius wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Of course it's ridiculous. There was no false advertising, everything about the game was delivered as promised, it works fine and on top of all of that it's a fantastic game. Children are just dumb and apparently don't understand how consumerism or the law work.

Amazon disagrees.

Any retailer can offer refunds for any reason.  Nobody is legally, or even morally, entitled to them, though. 

Only response I'm making to you in this, because you are such a blatant troll.

You are wrong, because legally refunds are required for numerous reasons, first and foremost, Lemon Laws. Go crawl back under your bridge.

I'm talking about this game, my sub-intelligent friend.  No one is morally or legally entitled to a refund for THIS GAME.  It's not a lemon by any legal standard.  You kids are ridiculous with your ignorance. 

[Ghost Warrior]

hex23 wrote...

Are you a retard that just likes to argue?

Regardless of how you feel, people are getting refunds for the game. Since you don't seem to understand, again....they are handing out refunds for this game.

Period. End of discussion. The sh*t you're saying has nothing to do with anything.

Actually,not everybody will give you a refund. Kinda depends on where you bought the game.

If I was working in a store and somebody asked me for refund,I'd be have a hard time not telling them to fu*k off.

[Pordis Shepard]

Guanxii wrote...
My first playthrough I almost clocked 50 hours. Let alone multiplayer. If you were perfectly satisfied for over 50 hours in total you should owe BioWare a refund. Not ask for a refund you ungrateful b-tards.

Well I guess that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.  For me, I invested much more than 50 hours in the previous games, and intended to in this one.   I'll admit to falling for the sales hype and my high expectations for this final product of the trilogy.

However, saying that we are ungrateful for complaining about the poorly integrated ending, is like saying someone who bought a new car and enjoyed the ride perfectly until they find the brakes don't work, has no right to complain and ask for satisfaction.

[HopelessAverage]

 :pinched:I am so sorry your version of MassEffect sucked but mine was awesome....People need to whine less and appreciate more:)
This game rocks and I'll replay it often.
If an individual can produce a better product I say go for it but untill then could people maybe turn the whining down so some of us can enjoy our Mass Effect experience.

[Salis777]

Gigamantis wrote...

You have absolutely no grounds for anything legally; none of you have made anything close to a legal case for fraud.  The lack of perspective generated by your general ignorance is what I'm pointing out.  Take it as an insult if you must.

The only case you have is a moral one because you feel lied to when companies exaggerate elements of their produce to hype you up.  Hype is normal, when you grow up you learn not to take so abhorrently literal. 

I don't own the game.  I certainly have a legal right to return a product I am unsatisfied with.  Perhaps you should read up on consumer rights?  You seem not to understand some basic principles of them.

Who is talking about fraud?  I certainly wasn't, are you just trying to make an argument against something I'm not saying?

And again it's nothing to do with morality.  If someone doesn't like a product they can return it.

And when you grow up you'll learn to debate without the foolish put downs, it'll make your arguments more forceful.

[Lycius]

Just stop responding to Gigamantis, he's nothing but a hijacking troll. I mean really? The constant, kids, children, namecalling is faily lame trolling to begin with but he's just being nonsensical to get a reaction.

[Gigamantis]

Pordis Shepard wrote...

Guanxii wrote...
My first playthrough I almost clocked 50 hours. Let alone multiplayer. If you were perfectly satisfied for over 50 hours in total you should owe BioWare a refund. Not ask for a refund you ungrateful b-tards.

Well I guess that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.  For me, I invested much more than 50 hours in the previous games, and intended to in this one.   I'll admit to falling for the sales hype and my high expectations for this final product of the trilogy.

However, saying that we are ungrateful for complaining about the poorly integrated ending, is like saying someone who bought a new car and enjoyed the ride perfectly until they find the brakes don't work, has no right to complain and ask for satisfaction.

Disliking the ending and giving constructive complaints are fine.  Demanding refunds, citing legal doctrine's you don't understand and being an invalid child aren't constructive things.  They're embarrassing for anyone over 10 years old.  You people need to conduct yourselves better.  

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

HopelessAverage wrote...

 :pinched:I am so sorry your version of MassEffect sucked but mine was awesome....People need to whine less and appreciate more:)
This game rocks and I'll replay it often.
If an individual can produce a better product I say go for it but untill then could people maybe turn the whining down so some of us can enjoy our Mass Effect experience.

Well if they're whining is interferring with your experience perhaps this is a bigger issue.

Like the concern over what others purchase. Someone buying and/or returning something they didn't like shouldn't have any bearing on you whatsoever unless you like to live vicariously through others.

[Salis777]

Lycius wrote...

Just stop responding to Gigamantis, he's nothing but a hijacking troll. I mean really? The constant, kids, children, namecalling is faily lame trolling to begin with but he's just being nonsensical to get a reaction.

Well obviously, he's just really bad at it.

[Ghost Warrior]

astheoceansblue wrote...

So what should we do instead? You don't think it's right to protest in some way when you feel disatisfied, and justly so when an expicit promise is made that we won't recieve X yet X is what we get?

It's not chilish, and it's not ridiculous. 

Their is a large amount of disatisfaction being voiced here, an while that's great in terms of getting attention the only real way to make companies of this stature take note is to start hitting them in the one place we know for sure they care about: their wallet. I'm pretty sure if the promise made was delivered upon, most of those who returned the game (or enough to count) would re-invest.

I'm not seeking a refund, but I compeltely understand those who are.

I just can't agree with that. You can't ask for refund after you beat the game. Nobody guarantees you're gonna like it,since it's completely subjective matter and differs from person to person. Like I said,if they were giving refunds for games from where I come,everybody would be rushing to the stores and yelling they are not satisfied.