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[Malaia]

 So first play through I was an elf, totally enamored of Alistair. I twinkled down to my little toes every time he kissed me. I marveled at his rose, I got goosebumps during our romantic ---ahem---night. I giggled at his talks with everyone.. and made him king and he DUMPED ME!!!

The racist jerk DUMPED ME!!!


So I made a human noble, romanced him again, romanced zevran, DUMPED AListair, slept with Zev, did the deed with him like 80 times in one night, right next to Alistair! (secretly hoping his disapproval went down with every roll in the hay). Then I went to Denerim, recruited Loghain, made Anora queen, gave the finger to Alistair as he threw his tantrum and ran off, giggled in delight while I ran off with Zevran to live happily ever after.

Take that you prig!

[Riona45]

Malaia wrote...

 So first play through I was an elf, totally enamored of Alistair. I twinkled down to my little toes every time he kissed me. I marveled at his rose, I got goosebumps during our romantic ---ahem---night. I giggled at his talks with everyone.. and made him king and he DUMPED ME!!!

The racist jerk DUMPED ME!!!

He wouldn't have dumped you if you just made Anora the queen.  Aside from the fact that he'll only take a human noble as queen, he doesn't even want to be king in the first place.

[eschilde]

You can persuade him not to dump you.. but that's got repercussions too.

[Valmy]

Make Anora queen and live happily ever after with him.

[Bhatair]

Or harden his personality and he'll keep you on the side if you aren't a noble.

[Malaia]

And what? He gets to be a racist secretly? After all he told me about how being an elf made no difference!



OMG I broke me "!" button.



No no, dumping him (getting -37 approval) was so worth it! Sleeping with Zev, then topping the Loghan recruitment and Anora as queen... oh yes I feel much better now.



I think I'd only feel best if I could find him in that bar where he's drunk and kick him in the you know whats!

[Recidiva]

Preachin' to the choir. Amen.

Stupid racist classist bastard. Too bad about the voice though. What a waste of a voice. Damn.

[Maria Caliban]

Malaia wrote...

 So first play through I was an elf, totally enamored of Alistair. I twinkled down to my little toes every time he kissed me. I marveled at his rose, I got goosebumps during our romantic ---ahem---night. I giggled at his talks with everyone.. and made him king and he DUMPED ME!!!

The racist jerk DUMPED ME!!!

Yeah. You showed him you didn't care about his feelings and that you valued him more as a tactical asset than a lover or friend. And then he dumped you for the exact same reasons.

Shock.

[Bhatair]

Malaia wrote...

And what? He gets to be a racist secretly? After all he told me about how being an elf made no difference!

It's not he who is racist, blame the society that would never accept an Elven queen. No matter how charismatic and well liked the King was.

[Riona45]

Is it him being racist, or being realistic about the fact that the king has to answer to the nobles in Ferelden, and the nobles wouldn't accept an elf as the queen?



I'd be the first to agree that it'd be nice if the game let you topple that kind of institutionalized racism, but it doesn't.

[syllogi]

You guys just barely averted a civil war right before he dumps your PC...he knows the nobles won't accept an elf queen at the moment, so he makes a sacrifice. He's trying to be a good king, even if it sucks and hurts himself and the PC.



You're entitled to your revenge, but choosing Anora -- who will lock up the Alienage and make life worse for elves if she rules alone -- over Alistair -- who won't marry his elf/mage/dwarf lover, but puts an Elven councilor in his court and generally makes life better for elves -- is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Recidiva]

Riona45 wrote...

Is it him being racist, or being realistic about the fact that the king has to answer to the nobles in Ferelden, and the nobles wouldn't accept an elf as the queen?

I'd be the first to agree that it'd be nice if the game let you topple that kind of institutionalized racism, but it doesn't.

Either way, he's the KING.  King Maric gave Loghain a royal title because of his service to the nation.  Once he's KING, he could MAKE you noble and then keep that **** Anora from screwing everything up the secone we turn our backs.

Racist...too stupid to have spent an entire game seeing how politics works and learning nothing from it, unwilling to be a leader when it's required for the good of everyone...at a certain point, who cares, they're the same thing.  All adds up to stupid and reckless and selfish.

[Bali_of_Terenas]

I don't think he's racist. Through all his personal interactions he's never implied it and during the end story for my first play through with him as king it has the Alienage leader brought in as an adviser and a dwarf as a war leader, plus he gives the Dalish a new homeland. All undoubtedly unpopular (with the humans) decisions he undertakes to improve the lives of non-humans.



If he thinks having an elven queen is more then the nobility would put up with then better to let that go and be able to do these other things then stick to his guns and lose any progress.

[GmanFresh]

you cant be queen as a elf.

[Recidiva]

Bali_of_Terenas wrote...

I don't think he's racist. Through all his personal interactions he's never implied it and during the end story for my first play through with him as king it has the Alienage leader brought in as an adviser and a dwarf as a war leader, plus he gives the Dalish a new homeland. All undoubtedly unpopular (with the humans) decisions he undertakes to improve the lives of non-humans.

If he thinks having an elven queen is more then the nobility would put up with then better to let that go and be able to do these other things then stick to his guns and lose any progress.

So HE picks this moment in time to back down in the face of moral attitudes for expediency's sake?  Really?  After having made or broken dwarven kings and wiped out large swaths of the population one way or the other making exactly the same decisions and changing politics all over Ferelden, THIS Is when he decides not to even ask or consider alternatives?

Biggest cop-out ever.  

[Recidiva]

GmanFresh wrote...

you cant be queen as a elf.

*draws her bow and gestures to Shale and Dog to stand by her*  Really?  You sure?  Totally sure?  Not going to even consider it? 

[Frozenmojo]

Well I had him do the killing blow on the archdemon because he dumped my elf. Too bad Anora became queen after that, would have expected Arl Eamon to take the throne.

[Lianaar]

He didn't mind my char being an elf at all, my char asked if he has a problem with it and he was quite boggled by the question. No, he isn't a racist.

If you can not be a queen as an elf, that is due to the people of the land, not a single person.

[Original182]

The only one you're hurting is yourself.

[Recidiva]

Lianaar wrote...

He didn't mind my char being an elf at all, my char asked if he has a problem with it and he was quite boggled by the question. No, he isn't a racist.
If you can not be a queen as an elf, that is due to the people of the land, not a single person.

No, he doesn't mind sleeping with you.  But asking other people to be polite to you?  Or say...making a law about because he's...say...KING?  Too much to ask.  Not willing to fight for you in any way.  

They want me to decide who is going to rule, but I'm entirely disqualiified because I have...pointy ears?  And he's nodding?  REALLY?

Ohhhh no.  I don't think so.  Nobody's getting out of that hall alive.

[ReubenLiew]

Heh, that'll show those elves, thinking they can be queen of a human nation.

Silly xenos scum.

[Recidiva]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Heh, that'll show those elves, thinking they can be queen of a human nation.
Silly xenos scum.

I couldn't go through the Elven Origin story as a female and then try to shake that off.  The Alienage being part of that human nation and all.  I swear, most of the time that character just wanted to start stabbing and never stop whenever encountering humans of any sort.  

I did, mostly.  Worked out okay. 

Being excruciatingly politically correct with a PTSD victim doesn't have the best outcome.  Oh well.

Modifié par Recidiva, 30 novembre 2009 - 04:57 .

[Lianaar]

You really are taking this too seriously. This is a game. A game in which elves are second class citizens. Your character might fight it, should too in a way, yes. But heck, this is still just a game



Ferelden is not a tyranny. It is much like medieval Germany, the high nobles decide who rules. If they can not accept you, they won't. You are an elf. Everything you say is half value. How long did it take US to have an african american as president? Why do you think Ferelden is any more tolerant? It is not. it would be more valid to be displeased about not being able to become Dalish Keeper for that matter.

[ReubenLiew]

Well let's put this in perspective then.

Would a Dalish Elf EVER let a mere shemlem become their leader/whateveritscalled?

Would a Dwarf ever let an elf become it's King?

These aren't races we're talking about. We humans have the excuse that we're all still humans, but an elf and a dwarf and a human and a qunari, they're almost a different species (except for the fact that somehow humans and elves share the same amount of chromosomes to reproduce, who'da thunk?) to each other.

Demanding to be queen (they wouldn't even let a human commoner become queen except for extreme cases like Loghain being a teryn, which is the equivalent of a Baron or Count) much less allow a second class citizen to be queen. It's not a democracy it's Feudalism.

[Recidiva]

Lianaar wrote...

You really are taking this too seriously. This is a game. A game in which elves are second class citizens. Your character might fight it, should too in a way, yes. But heck, this is still just a game

Ferelden is not a tyranny. It is much like medieval Germany, the high nobles decide who rules. If they can not accept you, they won't. You are an elf. Everything you say is half value. How long did it take US to have an african american as president? Why do you think Ferelden is any more tolerant? It is not. it would be more valid to be displeased about not being able to become Dalish Keeper for that matter.

You're taking me taking this too seriously, too seriously.  Yes, it's a game.  However, it has analogs to reality.  Those analogs to reality give me cues as to how a character would respond within a game in order to create a real character, with flaws, prejudices and hopes and dreams and particularly generating a response to being rejected publicly because of having pointy ears.  At that point, my character would have gone on a killing spree and tried to kill as many humans as possible, Alistair first, as he was the only person giving my character any hope that humans had any redeeming value, that he was "different" somehow than the brutal ****s I knew my whole life.  Wynne didn't count because she was mostly dead and Morrigan was par for the course in my experience of humans.  If you can't see how someone would react negatively if not homicidally and vengefully to being betrayed in such a manner, perhaps you do not take real life seriously enough in order to portray it in a game.  Either way, it's not something I'm losing sleep over.  It's just a roleplay.

In reality, no blood was spilled.  Alistair isn't  the knight in shining armor he wanted to be and neither was my character in that instance.  My mage just sort of cried quietly and went on being all noble and stuff.  Different characters respond differently.  But it is a huge speed bump in the game to experience in certain contexts and try to accept as if "Oh, okay.  No problem, sure.  I get it."  BORING.

Modifié par Recidiva, 30 novembre 2009 - 05:16 .