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[Lucy Glitter]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Malaia wrote...

 So first play through I was an elf, totally enamored of Alistair. I twinkled down to my little toes every time he kissed me. I marveled at his rose, I got goosebumps during our romantic ---ahem---night. I giggled at his talks with everyone.. and made him king and he DUMPED ME!!!

The racist jerk DUMPED ME!!!

Yeah. You showed him you didn't care about his feelings and that you valued him more as a tactical asset than a lover or friend. And then he dumped you for the exact same reasons.

Shock.

 I do so love you, Maria.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 01 décembre 2009 - 07:51 .

[Maria Caliban]

Malaia wrote...

You know what ticks me off the most? After I sacrificed myself because he was a jerkoff, he didn't even live miserably ever after mourning my loss until the end of his days!

WHY DIDN'T HE MOURN MY LOSS THE REST OF HIS DAYS?

He should suffer horribly for his lousy timing. I mean suffer like balls of fire enveloping his pp and hot pokers in the eyes kinda suffering.

 

Okay, I get it now. I'll admit, you totally had me fooled with the original post. Well played, Madam.

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I do so love you, Maria.

Yet you run when I offer you snuggles.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 01 décembre 2009 - 07:55 .

[Walina]

Malaia wrote...

 So first play through I was an elf, totally enamored of Alistair. I twinkled down to my little toes every time he kissed me. I marveled at his rose, I got goosebumps during our romantic ---ahem---night. I giggled at his talks with everyone.. and made him king and he DUMPED ME!!!

The racist jerk DUMPED ME!!!


So I made a human noble, romanced him again, romanced zevran, DUMPED AListair, slept with Zev, did the deed with him like 80 times in one night, right next to Alistair! (secretly hoping his disapproval went down with every roll in the hay). Then I went to Denerim, recruited Loghain, made Anora queen, gave the finger to Alistair as he threw his tantrum and ran off, giggled in delight while I ran off with Zevran to live happily ever after.

Take that you prig!

I wonder why there is so much people who want to make him king ?
You can get a happy life with him if you do not put him on throne and that's what Aistair is saying al the time unless you hardened him.

[Kinaori]

Walina wrote...

I wonder why there is so much people who want to make him king ?
You can get a happy life with him if you do not put him on throne and that's what Aistair is saying al the time unless you hardened him.

Yeah, I think it's more fitting for him not to be made King myself.  Even though I worry about Anora going bad like pops.

[Mesecina]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's possible to get a good outcome with Anora and the alienage (I did so) without sticking Alistiar on the throne. However, that's your elf's choice. I assume your elf doesn't like Anora and wants Alistiar on the throne. That doesn't change the fact that to put Alistiar on the throne, you have to disregard his feelings.

Disregarding his feelings for what you view as the good of the nation isn't bad, but then getting pissy because he disregards the PC's feelings for the good of the nation is hypocritical.

You reap what you sow with Alistiar.

Well I don't know in this playthrough I focused a bit more on what Alistair wants and after talking to Anora in Arl Eamon's estate if you ask him "And what do you want?" he is totally nervous about the idea of him being king but far from being totally resentful. I also need to mention this was an unhardened Alistair.
Also note that I never called him names or anything regarding the decision to dump the PC - because yeah in a way it's his duty and as we all know unhardened Alistair is a man of duty and honor, like it or not.

I'm sorry, but the above is completely based on the idea that there's only a single way to play through an origin. My human noble PC could spare Loghian despite his actions. My dwarven noble is able to care about humans and elves, even if she sees them as inferior. My dalish elf will likely take the blood mage's offer in exchange for the life of the elven slaves.

Of course you can RP however you like to but some of the motivations are in a way laid for you in origins, so those were more or less your average PC generalisations but of course there will always be specimens on this or the other side of Gaussian curve.

Modifié par Mesecina, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:34 .

[Malaia]

Knowing who Alistair is and who Anora is, how can you not make him king? She's a cut throat nightmare of a biotch that didn't even bring up the fact of marrying Alistair, ~I~ had to do that! Regardless, Alistair said he didn't want to be king, yet he threw some pretty good arguments at me after Loghain had died. Some were wishy-washy, but most were I'd make a better king because...so, while he didn't technically want to be king, he did, in fact, want it in a small way.
The whole game we're pushed towards that goal anyway. They make us hate Anora, and adore Alistair. They make him do what's right nearly every time we come across a choice and yet he still can consider doing something awful for the greater good. Case in point, he is for killing Connor before he is against it. I couldn't justify putting Anora as queen in any way shape or form.

And to top it all of he couldn't wait to dump me until after the Blight had killed me or been won? Days before my death is much better timing? <--I'm very shrill here, so you can get into the mood.

Thank you for the throne, here is a hot poker up YOUR bum and let me twist it a teensy bit. Oh and if you die, btw, I'll never mention how I watched you sleep or kissed you a thousand times during my speech about how special you are! I'll also, conveniently, not mention the fact that just before you got a dragon up your hoohoo that I dumped your elf butt because I wasn't a man!

He deserved the crown, he had politician down pat, it turns out. And I say again: Rot in the Black City you cad.

PS: Can I please have a hot poker mod? I imagine you can use the rack from Howe's dungeon with Alistair on it yes?

Modifié par Malaia, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:43 .

[Riona45]

Walina wrote...

[I wonder why there is so much people who want to make him king ?
You can get a happy life with him if you do not put him on throne and that's what Aistair is saying al the time unless you hardened him.

I have to admit I'm rather baffled by it as well.  Is respecting Alistair's clearly stated wishes such a novel concept?  Especially if he's your friend/lover?

Even if or when I play a human noble, I have the feeling I'll still just give Anora the throne, not because I like her, but because I think it might be more fitting for Alistair NOT to be on the throne.*



*Mind you, I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to "harden" him.

Modifié par Riona45, 02 décembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[Riona45]

Malaia wrote...

Knowing who Alistair is and who Anora is, how can you not make him king? She's a cut throat nightmare of a biotch that didn't even bring up the fact of marrying Alistair, ~I~ had to do that!

Why does that bother you?  If you dislike her so much, why is it a good idea for Alistair to be married to her?

[Malaia]

It's not that she won't marry him, but it's just smart of her to bring up. But she's so power hungry that she doesn't, and that, I think, says loads about her as Queen. Power hungry means catering to whims, not doing what might be difficult and right for the country.She'll never give equal rights or thumb her nose at tradition, but I had hoped and wished Alistair would. He seemed like such a good person, and yet he couldn't find it in his heart to create equality for elves BEFORE he rejected his elf?



In the end I found Zevran to be a much more worthwhile love story. His history is truly horrific and it's much more satisfying to have him find himself in love with you than Alistair. Alistair is all too easy and while it's easy to get Zev into bed, getting him to love you is a whole other story; especially when you have to disapprove of his murderous ways.



By far though, since I've actually written fanfiction about it, I'm totally enamored of shy, repressed Cullen.



What I'm saying is that it's super easy to fall in love with Alistair, but it's so much more rewarding to be loved by Zevran.

[SnakeStrike8]

Wow. I find this a very interesting read!

I think I'm going to enjoy playing a female character. Yes, very much so indeed...

[Ravauviel]

Riona45 wrote...

Walina wrote...

[I wonder why there is so much people who want to make him king ?
You can get a happy life with him if you do not put him on throne and that's what Aistair is saying al the time unless you hardened him.

I have to admit I'm rather baffled by it as well.  Is respecting Alistair's clearly stated wishes such a novel concept?  Especially if he's your friend/lover?

Even if or when I play a human noble, I have the feeling I'll still just give Anora the throne, not because I like her, but because I think it might be more fitting for Alistair NOT to be on the throne.*



*Mind you, I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to "harden" him.

If you actually confer with the unhardened Alistair (after Logain's execution) as to whether Anora should be made queen, he adamantly and expressively states his opinion in the negative. Even though he does not want to be king (arguable since you get the idea that he's somewhat ambivalent about the whole thing) he still does not want Anora to be made Queen; hence he indirectly alludes to himself as the better candidate.

[Leg_lamp]

Alistair might not have wanted to be king, and your character might not have wanted to give up Alistair, however there is a definite argument that having Alistair and Anora marry would be one of the cleanest solutions to avoiding civil war in Ferelden. I also thought that making Loghain a grey warden would have been the easiest way to bring peace between Ferelden and the Grey Wardens.



You know, the whole making sacrifices to save the world thing again. Too bad about his hissy fit though. The happiest ending for the non-human female is the one where she makes the most selfish choices.



(P.S. I also think Alistair was a great character, and am glad he wasn't written to be perfect. But just maybe I also kept reloading until I got the happy Alistair grey warden ending too).

[Malaia]

Yeah, I'll admit I got the happy ending as well, Leg_lamp, but damn if it didn't feel bittersweet.All the while I kept thinking about he he treated my elf and then I just wanted to kick him in the shins.



A girl can only take so much and I watch movies and read fluff to be happy, not miserable! *cry*



Btw, does anyone have Steve Valentine's number. *whistles innocently*

[Drunkencelt]

It could be worse, you could still have Lt Kaiden Alenko as a love interest instead of Allistar.

[Kuravid]

Drunkencelt wrote...

It could be worse, you could still have Lt Kaiden Alenko as a love interest instead of Allistar.

*shudder* I still want to punch that voice actor in the face.

[Taleroth]

At least your romance has the option of a happy ending. :'(

[Kuravid]

Taleroth wrote...

At least your romance has the option of a happy ending. :'(

It's not happy if you have to get him to bang Morrigan in order to stay alive! And also I'm really surprised by how more women aren't ticked off about becoming hardened Alistair's ho in the end.

Morrigan is also a narcissist. Narcissists are like cats. They sit in your lap because it's warm, not because they love you. Therefore it makes sense that she acts like a narcissist and abandons you in the end when she doesn't get her way.

[Taleroth]

Kuravid wrote...

Morrigan is also a narcissist. Narcissists are like cats. They sit in your lap because it's warm, not because they love you.

But.. but... why does my cat rub against my head when I sit on the couch.  He's trying to hug me, I tell you!

[RunCDFirst]

Taleroth wrote...

Kuravid wrote...

Morrigan is also a narcissist. Narcissists are like cats. They sit in your lap because it's warm, not because they love you.

But.. but... why does my cat rub against my head when I sit on the couch.  He's trying to hug me, I tell you!

My cat will freakin' jump off a heater, leap into my lap then rub it's drooling oversized head all over my crouch.

Stupid animal.

[KCFender]

TeenZombie wrote...

You guys just barely averted a civil war right before he dumps your PC...he knows the nobles won't accept an elf queen at the moment, so he makes a sacrifice. He's trying to be a good king, even if it sucks and hurts himself and the PC.

The problem with this in my eyes is that throughout the game we're told - often by Alistair himself - that the political strife is small potatoes compared to what you guys are really fighting: the Blight.
So as an elven female in romance with Alistair, you might find yourself in the position where you now know that you're likely to die in battle, soon - either you or Alistair will have to sacrifice themselves to kill the Archdemon, and since Alistair is King, that's likely to be you - and he can't.... STICK AROUND FOR A WHILE? He doesn't even take any immediate political responsibilities, he continues to follow your lead. He just holds the love.
He needs to end any relationship with you pronto, because it'd be improper otherwise. Even though the relationship has already happenedand fully underway. But people are going to be upset that he continued the romantic relationship with his fellow legendary Grey Warden in the days leading up to their joint victory over the greatest threat the world has ever seen for over four generations? Really? I think the citizens of Ferelden would understand and excuse such a relationship given the epic circumstances and whatnot.

And if he had any balls, he wouldn't care either way. Or if he had a brain, he'd know that he isn't the King of anything unless you plunge a sword into that Archdemon's head, so maybe he could and ought to be there for you and put you above everything else. But, alas, he is an emotionally-crippled little person who, even by the game writer's own standards, really isn't cut out for the whole leadership thing.

So I thought it was pretty lame of him, as was his whole "We must kill Loghain or else" tirade at the Landsmeet, but I've ranted on this myself plenty of times.

Modifié par KCFender, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:14 .

[themanynamed]

Malaia wrote...

 So first play through I was an elf, totally enamored of Alistair. I twinkled down to my little toes every time he kissed me. I marveled at his rose, I got goosebumps during our romantic ---ahem---night. I giggled at his talks with everyone.. and made him king and he DUMPED ME!!!

The racist jerk DUMPED ME!!!


So I made a human noble, romanced him again, romanced zevran, DUMPED AListair, slept with Zev, did the deed with him like 80 times in one night, right next to Alistair! (secretly hoping his disapproval went down with every roll in the hay). Then I went to Denerim, recruited Loghain, made Anora queen, gave the finger to Alistair as he threw his tantrum and ran off, giggled in delight while I ran off with Zevran to live happily ever after.

Take that you prig!

ROFL!  Yeah, I felt the same too.  I reloaded the Landsmeet and recruited Loghain instead and took smug satisfaction in Alistair's infantile tirade and exit.  For a man who preached about duty, honor etc. he's pretty happy to stomp off when he doesn't get his way.  I hate to say it but I lost all respect for him between the callous dumping and then his treasonous desertion.  Needless to say this was with an unhardened Alistair.  I will never play his romance again.  Even if Alistair is hardened, his outlook does not significantly mature and it is consistantly the PC that has to be the adult.  What kind of romance it is when one person has to constantly play mommy? *shudder*

 I'm going after the lady bard this playthrough.  Zevran is next on the list and yeah it is a pity Cullen isn't romanceable.

MN.

Modifié par themanynamed, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:13 .

[themanynamed]

Oops, double post

Modifié par themanynamed, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:19 .

[Walina]

anaea123 wrote...

Svest wrote...

If in the end the writers wanted Alistair to be the one to sacrifice himself in that situation that is fine.  Where they screwed up, at least in my opinion, was forcing the female PC to just stand there and accept it without the option to at least try to stop him.

You know, until you mentioned it I had completely forgotten about my "WTF where is hell the force field button?!?!" reaction to that ending. =P 

For Bioware, DAO is not a dating sim, so Alistair's fans or Morrigan fans can forever hope in vain > http://social.biowar...ssion/2064/&p=1

Everyone, your only hope for things to change is that a modder will be kind enough to change things, don't count on Bioware.

[Mesecina]

Walina wrote...

anaea123 wrote...

Svest wrote...

If in the end the writers wanted Alistair to be the one to sacrifice himself in that situation that is fine.  Where they screwed up, at least in my opinion, was forcing the female PC to just stand there and accept it without the option to at least try to stop him.

You know, until you mentioned it I had completely forgotten about my "WTF where is hell the force field button?!?!" reaction to that ending. =P 

For Bioware, DAO is not a dating sim, so Alistair's fans or Morrigan fans can forever hope in vain > http://social.biowar...ssion/2064/&p=1

Everyone, your only hope for things to change is that a modder will be kind enough to change things, don't count on Bioware.

You know, this might sound harsh but could you stop linking this thread continuously in anything distantly related to Alistair? It just really looks as a petty blackmailing attempt from your side "let's get together people and storm the castle errrr Bioware's headquarters".

Some people really need to realise Bioware is trying to tell a story - it's not Oblivion and you can't do whatever you desire because there is a reason behind it - the reason being the said story that for all we know is going to continue. Do you also complain to every book writer and movie director when your favourite character dies or relationship breaks? (heck Shakespeare I demand Romeo checks Juliette's pulse this time - that moron)

Would I like to have a word with Alistair after that night? Surely but I'd also like a word/cuddles with Zevran/Lelliana on that night or a less friendlike (Zevran) conversation before heading into city.
And I'm sure I could write you a long and comprehensive list of 20 additions my heart also desires and so could any other person on these forums, but expecting Bioware to hire back all the voiceactors and redo or include new cutscenes is to put it mildly silly.

So why would you assume your wishes come before say  wishes of people who want horses or bowstrings or naked Morrigan? Don't you think that's just a tad childish and egocentric?
Even if we'd assume Bioware had unlimited resources to upheld our every whim just how long do you think that would take? Personally I'd rather choose expansion/sequel or story expanding DLC.

Also David stated many times Morrigan's story is not yet complete but that no "instant soup" DLC with "chasing Morrigan" is coming out anytime soon which is imo great news as I wouldn't expect anything cheap like that from Bioware and for all we know Alistair's story ain't complete either, or PC's or Zevran's or Lelliana's... well you get the idea.

But luckily you have the toolset that lets YOU include any cutscene/dialogue/ending YOU could possibly think of. So for all I care someone could make an alternative ending mod where PC and Alistair after of course denying Morrigan's offer and calling her all sorts of bad bad names pick up the sword together and ram it into Archdemons head while passionately kissing eachother - the Archdemon's soul then trashes itself on rocks of love and sky explodes into all shades of pink and red while rose petals and pink bunnies flood the streets of Denerim

Modifié par Mesecina, 02 décembre 2009 - 08:51 .