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[Dreogan]

Darth Howie wrote...

I'm all for a new ending, but if people have to work to make it then they deserve to be paid for it.

Agreed. But there's a balance between paying and not paying. $20 for a text-based outro simply isn't worth it. $20 for a fully cinematic voiced-over outro would be awesome. $10 for the same would be better. $5 would be spectacular. $0 would be... very difficult to justify, but would earn them some respect.

Respect, unfortunately, isn't the end-all of decisions. Money is.

[Hydralysk]

If the ending DLC wasn't planned then they didn't plan for the costs it'd take to make a new one. Did we deserve an ending that met our expectations the first time? Yes we did, but it's not only the people who failed to deliever who's salary we are paying and who's work it would take to create it. Bioware did screw up the ending, but I'd be willing to pay for the DLC as an olive branch simply because it's a lot harder to convince a business to do something without SOME kind of revenue involved.

[DS Monkfish]

I hate the current ending. But it was an ending, just a really bad one. If Bioware are going to fix it (which they don't have to do), it will cost to make it, and I will pay for it.

All this capslock screaming for free stuff makes us look like a bunch of children throwing a tantrum, and that's not the stereotype we should want to live up to.

And you don't speak for all of us.

Modifié par dmath2, 22 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Mushufasa1512]

Good lord enough with the free dlc crap already. Bioware wanted the game to end as it is. By demanding a change they would have to shift a significant number of resources to accommodate. it is 100 percent reasonable that we meet them halfway and pay 15 or 20 bucks or whatever is needed for them to cover costs.

[Shaoken]

Gah, I hate the capslock title. I hate that it is trying to order people around too.

I would pay for ending DLC, unless it really sucked. The amount I would pay is dependent on how good the DLC is. If it was DLC that was pure brilliance and awesome condesened into video game form and set the bar for storytelling in every medium ever (including those yet to be created), I would gladly pay for the game all over again. Since that's probably not going to happen it'll depend on the context to cost ratio.

[Impulse and Compulse]

I don't get where this whole "I'd pay $15 for the ending just get it to me already" mentality is coming from. That's a complete ripoff, the only way they would be able to justify that is with an absurd amount of content. And considering how the momentum leads everything to end right there on the citadel, it would be mentally exhausting and overly drawn-out to go any further. And it's not like they have to hire the entire voice cast back, if they made a way for Shepard to possibly live in some endings and modified the cinematics to give more closure, they'd make a lot of people happy without breaking the bank.

[LadyofRivendell]

Expecting it for free is pretty arrogant of you guys.

[ericjdev]

I don't expect anything for free and I'm not making any demands of Bioware, that's not how I hold the line. Making demands is the kind of thing that gets us labeled as entitled.

[stwu]

agathokakological wrote...

While your concern and arguments are valid, take a moment to consider how difficult this would be for Bioware to just make at the last minute. Paying voice actors, animators, writers... even if it is to cover up a massive mistake, they have bills to pay and families. I would be grateful for a $10 DLC.

I'd like to think I'm a reasonable person but if they manage to fix this (not just the ending) it should be free.
I find it hard to believe they thought releasing the game the way it is, would be a fitting end to such a beloved series. Instead it shows an arrogant, "You'll like what we give you attitude." I would be willing to pay but, it would help them regain my trust if they did it for free.

[DemGeth]

yay caps

[sistersafetypin]

I'm not holding the line for a free ending. I'm holding the line for a great ending

[mass_zotz]

How about we wait and see what they plan on changing and so lets give feedback on what we want change and if the endings have enough content then I will gladly pay because then atleast I have reason to keep the all Mass Effect games because they unplayable right now for me.

[Tequila Man]

Sigh.

[mass_zotz]

sistersafetypin wrote...

I'm not holding the line for a free ending. I'm holding the line for a great ending

I Agree

[RDSFirebane]

Well one can we chill a bit nothing is set in stone we have no clue what we are/are not getting.

2nd. if it is a big full and well done DLC that covers/fix's the issues with the end then I am in favor of paying for it however if I pay for it and find it lackluster that will be the last DLC I buy for this game.

[Hanabii]

You people expect something for nothing. You expect time, money, extreme effort put into making a good ending but you aren't even willing to shell out less cash then the cost of a Large Pizza in Kansas.

As Primarch of this point. I feel OBLIGATED to send you to my thread. MY WHOLE POINT.

http://social.biowar.../index/10428625

Read it well. It makes a very good point about the Company/Player Base Relationship and tells exactly WHY unreasonable demands like this undermine the whole movement we have.

[Tyrzun]

Right there with you OP.  I'm not going away and I'll keep on debunking the side track threads when I check in.

HOLDING THE LINE!

[Tyrzun]

Hanabii wrote...

You people expect something for nothing. You expect time, money, extreme effort put into making a good ending but you aren't even willing to shell out less cash then the cost of a Large Pizza in Kansas.

As Primarch of this point. I feel OBLIGATED to send you to my thread. MY WHOLE POINT.

http://social.biowar.../index/10428625

Read it well. It makes a very good point about the Company/Player Base Relationship and tells exactly WHY unreasonable demands like this undermine the whole movement we have.

Well, just to show you how wrong you are. 

FALSE advertising is unethical and some would say illegal.  THAT is what Bioware did.  THAT is why smart companies like Amazon are giving full refunds, they want no part of possible legal action some people are after.

They advertised giving us one thing and gave us another, knowing full well we weren't getting what they said we would.  What were we promised?  ALL OF this in Bioware's own words.  WE demand what we PAID FOR.  Not something for free!  Educate yourself on what is really going on.

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”

^ That is not what ME 3 provided, in fact it provided the opposite.

[BULLETWASTER]

recentio wrote...

I'll pay for it. That way they can do something really substantial rather than whipping out the minimum necessary to satisfy. Without profit for BW, we are guaranteed a minimum. I'd like more than that.

Plus they know if they screw up like this in the future it will be the last straw for most of their fans. You don't need to worry about this happening again.

[Spectre Hal Jordan]

Unless IT is legit and Bioware was already working on the true ending dlc, they have to bring everyone back in to write more script, program, test, voice act etc. That all costs money that Bioware probably wasn't expecting to spend. Let's be clear; no matter what we feel, or the backlash it will create, Bioware doesn't HAVE to do anything. If they do, it is clearly a concession to the desire of their fans, and proof that they care about our opinions. To say that you want all of that for free and now strikes me as arrogant and asking for disappointment.

[Ender99]

I'll pay for the ending as long as it's good. Until then I'm not going anywhere.

Holding the line for as long as it takes.

[wintermaul55]

The way i see it. Bioware Pulled a Blizzard (entertainment) They sold out for a quick $$$ and it back fired.
I WILL HOLD THE LINE STRONGER THEN MARAUDER SHIELDS!
This being MY 1st Collectors edition because i believed bioware that my shepard would go out in a blaze of glory and not a poof, it will be my last bioware game, unless i see that blaze of glory happen. 

[Kidroz]

Ill definitly pay for it. But the rest.. Yes i agree

[Impulse and Compulse]

Hanabii wrote...

You people expect something for nothing. You expect time, money, extreme effort put into making a good ending but you aren't even willing to shell out less cash then the cost of a Large Pizza in Kansas.

As Primarch of this point. I feel OBLIGATED to send you to my thread. MY WHOLE POINT.

http://social.biowar.../index/10428625

Read it well. It makes a very good point about the Company/Player Base Relationship and tells exactly WHY unreasonable demands like this undermine the whole movement we have.

It's less that we can't afford it; that's never been the issue. It's the principle that EA would have profited over holding one of our favorite game franchises over the fire that sets such a horrendous example. They don't deserve to profit for screwing us over, they should fix their faulty product and let everyone go on with their lives.

[cerberus1701]

You WILL NOT get it for free.

Accept it now.

I have and I'm ok with it because I simply CANNOT stomach the fact that one of my favorit game series ended as it did.

I will HAPPILY pay. And, no, this is not a slippery slope for other games becausethere are almost no games made that I care enough about to pay for a "proper" ending.

Played Rage. Rage just stopped.

Don't care.

Played Final Fantasy XIII-2. It said, "To be continued."

Don't give a rodent's posterior. Put up all the end DLC you want. Zero interest.

ME3? I'll pay.