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[kingonthewall]

I'll pay for it we wanted a change they are doing one it's not like they have backup plan 403B on a USB with the real ending on it.

[Zenoctilles]

Gilric wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

Aweus wrote...

I hate to make waves in own ranks but I have to disagree. Bioware did a mistake with this ending but it is simply not reasonable to demand a DLC for free. Sometimes people are pushing this too far. If you hate them so much just stop buying their games and move on. Do you want your Mass Effect series to be "fixed" or not? Or 10 bucks is more important than that? Negotiation is an art and what we try to do here is to negatiote with Bioware a proper ending for ME series which lots of us believe original version did not deliver. We are not terrorists who keep a gun at Bioware's head and keep demanding stuff. At least I hope we are not since that is not a movement I would like to associate myself with. That being said, keep holding the line!

agreed

This.  So many times this.  If you want Bioware to give you something different, give them feedback and let them know how you feel.  Do it in a way that is civil and befitting of a gamer/developer relationship.  This sense of entitlement and "they owe us" is absolutely ridiculous and out of control.  Get a grip on yourselves and act like adults.

What makes you think that EA won't pull off this same stunt in the future? To milk off of the emotions of fans such as yourself? No. The DLC should be free. Otherwise, BioWare should continue to be boycotted. The line shall continue to be held. 

[Slymandro]

Asking for free dlc is selfish. I'd be overjoyed to receive a new game end with some level of hope and to know they listened to us. Why do you gotta keep rocking the boat?

[Oilking72]

You know full well if they do what everyone wants and "fix" the ending everyone's going to buy it. The ones that don't will miss out. Those are the only two options that I see out of this.

[savionen]

Hey... hey..... hey..... hey.......... Calm down.

[AlexXIV]

Well they are not going to change it. Just clarify on it. As far as Bioware is concerned I think their ending is fine, just not to the satisfaction of all their customers. So they offer something extra that will cost extra. Pretty sure will.

[Zenoctilles]

Slymandro wrote...

Asking for free dlc is selfish. I'd be overjoyed to receive a new game end with some level of hope and to know they listened to us. Why do you gotta keep rocking the boat?

Because free DLC does justice to the agony of the past two weeks.

What if one of your loved ones was murdered? What if courts find the killer guilty of only manslaughter? There can be no half-justice, it must be full justice. 

[ShepnTali]

How do people not online get this free? They ARE out there.

[wrdnshprd]

Zenoctilles wrote...

Slymandro wrote...

Asking for free dlc is selfish. I'd be overjoyed to receive a new game end with some level of hope and to know they listened to us. Why do you gotta keep rocking the boat?

Because free DLC does justice to the agony of the past two weeks.

What if one of your loved ones was murdered? What if courts find the killer guilty of only manslaughter? There can be no half-justice, it must be full justice. 

ok.. this is going to far.. just stop please.. your giving the retakME supporters a bad name at this point.

[Kitimandiri]

I'd pay for it. They are under no obligation to end the game one way or the other. I just feel that they did a very poor job of it, and it has made me much less inclined to purchase their products in the future. However, if they release something more substantial and rewarding I am willing to spend my money on that. The likelyhood of me pre-ordering something from them again in the future though...is ify.

[Zenoctilles]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Zenoctilles wrote...

Slymandro wrote...

Asking for free dlc is selfish. I'd be overjoyed to receive a new game end with some level of hope and to know they listened to us. Why do you gotta keep rocking the boat?

Because free DLC does justice to the agony of the past two weeks.

What if one of your loved ones was murdered? What if courts find the killer guilty of only manslaughter? There can be no half-justice, it must be full justice. 

ok.. this is going to far.. just stop please.. your giving the retakME supporters a bad name at this point.

So what? Most of them already think we are whiny brats. Let them think that way. It doesn't matter what others think.

[Ampliment]

wrdnshprd wrote...

IMO, if people are actually in favor of paid ending DLC, then they have no right to complain that it wasnt there in the first place.

you reap what you sew as far as im concerned.. and you are naive if you think this kind of practice wont continue in the future - i.e. release a $60 game with a crappy ending, and then charge $10 more for the real one.

I don't understand this because I firmly believe that those at Bioware truly believed that they had put a good ending on Mass Effect 3 and the series as a whole.  I don't believe they just thought up a way to milk money from the fans.  That being said releasing a game with a bad ending intentionally with plans to add another ending later doesn't factor in to this because new ending plans came after the fan outrage.  Any company who intentionally practices in this manner will be torn down by fans, media, and every outlet they have for publicity.  This was not planned, therefore them asking payment for an ending DLC doesn't follow this principle and will not influence a future principle like this.  Now this is my opinion based on my own knowledge, I am not saying it is truth but if you could further explain to me this whole concept I would appreciate it and respect your opinion whether or not it persuedes me to change mine. 

[ShepardMyFriend]

Are you people kidding me? I can see now why we got the label "entitled." Just be happy with for once, damn.

[Stegoceras]

I got an ending, it wasn't to my taste, doesn't mean I deserve a new one, so if they stick time and effort into making me a new one, I'll pay for it. I'll stick with asking for a new ending, not demanding one.

Also in my opinion the whole argument if you pay now for an ending you will pay more often in the future is wrong, you will remember, thus next time you'll already be less inclined to buy a game concluding in hurting their business if they (or others) continuously do this (a good PR is very important to a company).

[Negix]

Seriously, this is just plain unrealistic. To behave if this was the opinion of the retake movement is really childish.

[mrderp27]

ShepnTali wrote...

How do people not online get this free? They ARE out there.

space magic will upload it to their hard drive

anyways, i'd guess they'd release a disc version

[Turtlicious]

Vromrig wrote...

Requesting too much. Unreasonable. Even if unreasonable, also illogical.

Won't happen. To ask discredits entire movement. Makes us seem like moose who love muffins.

Don't even like muffins.

This.

[Zenoctilles]

Negix wrote...

Seriously, this is just plain unrealistic. To behave if this was the opinion of the retake movement is really childish.

Ah, but you are mistaken. There are Retakers who believe that it should be free. Including myself, of course. 

[shamE12]

I held the line for the ending DLC not to get it for free. I will pay for it. Asking them to make another ending is one thing but to do it for free? Wont happen and its asking to much of bioware to do so. I will be happy to get the endings but will be willing to pay for it.

Modifié par shamE12, 21 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[blooregard]

Zenoctilles wrote...

Slymandro wrote...

Asking for free dlc is selfish. I'd be overjoyed to receive a new game end with some level of hope and to know they listened to us. Why do you gotta keep rocking the boat?

Because free DLC does justice to the agony of the past two weeks.

What if one of your loved ones was murdered? What if courts find the killer guilty of only manslaughter? There can be no half-justice, it must be full justice. 

Maybe we deserve free DLC maybe we don't. right now lets focus on having them actually announce them making ending DLC BEFORE we negotiate a price.

[Spectre-00N7]

I'll pay if it is worth it. Saying that there isn't a compromise just sounds... on second thought, I shouldn't go there.

[Zenoctilles]

blooregard wrote...

Zenoctilles wrote...

Slymandro wrote...

Asking for free dlc is selfish. I'd be overjoyed to receive a new game end with some level of hope and to know they listened to us. Why do you gotta keep rocking the boat?

Because free DLC does justice to the agony of the past two weeks.

What if one of your loved ones was murdered? What if courts find the killer guilty of only manslaughter? There can be no half-justice, it must be full justice. 

Maybe we deserve free DLC maybe we don't. right now lets focus on having them actually announce them making ending DLC BEFORE we negotiate a price.

Good point. I suppose we can wait until we start screaming Bloody Mary.

[JulienJaden]

Master Che wrote...

Zenoctilles wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Zenoctilles: ever read the articles about how people were depressed after Avatar because real life seemed so...blah? No kidding!

I actually have.

But no one asked for anything more from Mr. Cameron, though. 

Cameron never said "We listen.  We care".  LOL

I see your point though.

The main differences were that Avatar was
1) entirely open after the ending yet conclusive in every way that mattered, and
2) YOU DIDN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS REGARDING THE STORY.

The ending was not only inconclusive and, since my goodwill is slowly fading, I'll say it bluntly, abysmally badly written, it also disregarded three games full of decisions, some of which would have substantial impacts on the future of the galaxy. The ending just negates all that. And that's not okay.

There's two outcomes for me:
1) BioWare gives us the endings they promised we'd get, adds an epilogue, makes our choices matter and all is great, or
2) they don't, I get a refund on Mass Effect 3 and the DLC, move on to other games like Diablo 3, never buy a BioWare product again and my headcanon will forever be something I come up with myself because that ending is so bad I will not accept it as the one I remember.

Either way, I will not accept the ending as it stands.

Hell, BioWare, if input's the problem: Guarantee that whatever input I give will be added to the game, give me two days, a couple of Mass Effect nerds like myself, a few of your writers to get things done, free access to all your scraped idea, canon, concepts etc. and I will give you an ending that makes sense, has no plotholes, is satisfying and fulfills your promise. By my honor as a writer, if I come up with an idea that makes everybody else point out that it's crap because it doesn't make sense or negates canon, I will scrap it, no matter how much I like it. Because that's what you do when you have established canon. You don't just throw it all out the window. And you don't spit in the face of your fanbase either.

I'm not even asking for a salary. I'd work my ass off for free to give this series the ending it deserves.

Modifié par JulienJaden, 21 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Aweus]

Zenoctilles wrote...


You are free to disagree, good sir. I can see where you are coming from. 

But wait until BioWare actually succumbs to this demand. You will be $15 richer and have closure with ME. Sometimes you need to push hard to get what you want. 

Or you may risk to ridicule yourself by confirming claims about false entitlement. Some people who are abusive are not helping our cause. By asking Bioware to make a DLC we are trying to convince them that it would be a win-win decission. More happy customers and more revenue for Bioware. By sending a message that you will NOT be satisfied by non-free DLC what you really do is making them further consider if this whole thing is worth it. Is that 10 or 15 bucks worth it? My intention is to have Mass Effect in a state where I would be able to score it 10/10. My intention is not to humiliate Bioware or "teach them a lesson". I am sure they already learned what was needed by now.

[Zenoctilles]

Aweus wrote...

Zenoctilles wrote...


You are free to disagree, good sir. I can see where you are coming from. 

But wait until BioWare actually succumbs to this demand. You will be $15 richer and have closure with ME. Sometimes you need to push hard to get what you want. 

Or you may risk to ridicule yourself by confirming claims about false entitlement. Some people who are abusive are not helping our cause. By asking Bioware to make a DLC we are trying to convince them that it would be a win-win decission. More happy customers and more revenue for Bioware. By sending a message that you will NOT be satisfied by non-free DLC what you really do is making them further consider if this whole thing is worth it. Is that 10 or 15 bucks worth it? My intention is to have Mass Effect in a state where I would be able to score it 10/10. My intention is not to humiliate Bioware or "teach them a lesson". I am sure they already learned what was needed by now.

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