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#151
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Gill Kaiser wrote...

Sorry to add to the furor, but I think this is the first time that I have been legitimately heartbroken by the way that a story has ended in any entertainment medium.

So let me get this straight. Assuming you import a perfect save and play ME3 perfectly, accumulating the maximum war assets, playing multiplayer up to maximum galactic readiness, and making all the decisions necessary to save as many people as possible (uniting the Krogan and the Turians, getting the Salarians on-side as well, making peace with the Geth and the Quarians, and saving the maximum possible number of ME2 characters), this is the ultimate fate for the characters we fell in love with throughout the trilogy, IRRESPECTIVE of the ending chosen:

Commander Shepard - Dies
Admiral Anderson - Dies
Conrad Verner - On the Citadel; almost certainly dead
Matriarch Atheyta - On the Citadel; almost certainly dead
Kelly Chambers - On the Citadel; almost certainly dead
Commander Bailey - On the Citadel; almost certainly dead
Doctor Michel - On the Citadel; almost certainly dead
Urdnot Wrex - Stranded in the Sol system/Local cluster; will never see Tuchanka or Eve again, nor his unborn children

The Krogan - Large numbers stranded in the Local cluster; the rest stranded on Tuchanka, a post-apocalyptic wasteland, with no galactic trade to sustain them. Without Wrex, there is a good chance they will fall back into barbarism.

The Quarian Migrant Fleet - The majority stranded in the Local cluster, literally on the other side of the galaxy from Rannoch. Are unlikely to ever see their home again. Unable to eat the food that Earth can provide, and are likely to starve to death.

The Turian fleet - Stranded in the Local cluster, unlikely to ever see Palaven again. Unable to eat the food that Earth could provide, and are likely to starve to death.

The Normandy's crew - Trapped on an unknown garden world. With the mass relay network destroyed, there is almost no chance of rescue. Either Garrus and Tali or everyone else will starve to death, depending on the chirality of the planet's ecosystem.

Inhabitants of all the minor colonies in the galaxy that are unable to sustain themselves will starve to death.

Inhabitants of overpopulated worlds that were dependant on galactic trade will run out of resources and either starve or kill each other, as happened on the Drell homeworld.

...and all of this as a result of the nonsensical logic of a ghostly AI that we are unable even to question or defy and which the previous events of the game itself have already proven wrong.

a) Control - which proves Shepard a horrific hypocrite and maintains the status quo.
B) Synthesis - in which Shepard forces a fundamental change upon all life in the galaxy, against their will, and homogenises everyone, depriving them of the diversity which the series had lauded up until this moment.
c) Destroy - in which Shepard commits genocide of an innocent race, and kills a friend.

I simply don't understand what Bioware were thinking. I just don't! After the brilliance of 99% of ME3, the way they managed to destroy it all in the final 10 minutes is almost physically painful to think about.



And we're being insulted for asking for a happier ending. I think it's safe to say that we've already seen enough evil and trouble in the Mass Effect galaxy. 

I simply don't understand why Bioware would want to end it like this. 

Bioware, please, from a heartbroken fan - don't make all that we've done in this game series be ignored. Let us end on a happy note

#152
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Well at least in the blue ending hivemind-Shepard could order the Reapers to immediately begin reconstructing the relays.  Who knows how many eons that would take though.

-edit- I suppose in the green ending they could do that too but I think it would have to be voluntary?

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Still better than the ME3 ending.

Modifié par Mighty_BOB_cnc, 23 mars 2012 - 03:31 .


#153
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You put the lime in the coconut. Drank 'em both up.

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Don't know if anyone mentioned this but I'm pretty sure Kelly Chambers died when Cerebus attacked the Citadel. So that's one less death you can put at the feet of the ME3 ending.

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No matter what you do, you force the evolved cultures in the ME universe to death ultimately achieving the reapers goal. YAY for progress.

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This is the ending they think the series is worth. This is what they tell us is the conclusion. This is why I will personally never give a dollar more to Bioware. I will probably also try to avoid EA at all costs. And I will stop anyone I can from buying Bioware. This is what unhappy customers do, this is market economy and this is the future of gaming. "rejoice".

Modifié par Njald, 24 mars 2012 - 04:00 .


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I'm gonna bump this.

#158
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I know that feeling bro/sis.

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Darthlawsuit wrote...

Don't forget Mass Relays go supernova and destroy everything in the system. So every populated sector with a mass relay is now gone.


Which, if you paid attention, is practically every system with a homeworld in it. Thessia? Check. Palaven? Check. Earth? Check. Rannoch? Check. Tuchanka? Check.

Yeah, everyone's dead.

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Egonne wrote...

Don't know if anyone mentioned this but I'm pretty sure Kelly Chambers died when Cerebus attacked the Citadel. So that's one less death you can put at the feet of the ME3 ending.


You can tell her to change her identity so Cerberus can't find her. After she thanks you and gives you a war asset.Posted Image

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Madecologist wrote...

I remember you OP. You are the one that I used a save file from when I made the hop from XBox to PC for ME2.

Which means, I made your Shepard... go through the ending again... I am so sorry. If I knew...

In all seriousness, yeah... the more you think what could happen the more bleak it seems. At least we stopped the Reapers! As nihilistic as it sounds... maybe it would be better this cycle lost and the next cycle has a better chance with Liara's Black Box idea.


Hey that just occured to me - why didn't they put in a Reapers "win" ending as well? The black box would have even provided a meagre amount of hope for those who wound up with that hypothetical ending, huh... yeah sorry off topic but just something I wanted to share, and to OP, join the club we have plenty of speculation to go round. 

I for one go for space magic :wizard:

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I just linked this post to the #masseffect twitter. I can't believe how many people I've seen that said they liked the ending. It's practically illogical.

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goose2989 wrote...

And we're being insulted for asking for a happier ending. I think it's safe to say that we've already seen enough evil and trouble in the Mass Effect galaxy.

 

Those who say happy endings don't happen in ME are either full of themselves or they never played ME1 and ME2. Shepard survives in the most cliche kind of way in ME1. In ME2, by working for it, you can save your squad AND the Normandy Crew. So the idea that ME is a dark universe... isn't conveyed in the two previous role models. 

I simply don't understand why Bioware would want to end it like this. 


I'd bet that they weren't, you're just looking from the outside in. We wont know for sure.

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Welcome to the party. We have speculation for everyone.

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alx119 wrote...

I just linked this post to the #masseffect twitter. I can't believe how many people I've seen that said they liked the ending. It's practically illogical.


Because they never played ME1 or ME2, that or they're easily entertained by things that don't make sense. AKA A summer action flick. To say the ending of ME3 is great boggled my mind when I heard it from a friend, because it made absolutely no sense. Unfortunately this was a guy  who played ME1 and ME2 which made it more mind boggling. 

If people liked the ME3 ending, it just goes to show they can't tell the difference between a good story and a bad one. ME3 isn't bad but that ending is pretty awful without the closure it needs.

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Chipaway111 wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

I remember you OP. You are the one that I used a save file from when I made the hop from XBox to PC for ME2.

Which means, I made your Shepard... go through the ending again... I am so sorry. If I knew...

In all seriousness, yeah... the more you think what could happen the more bleak it seems. At least we stopped the Reapers! As nihilistic as it sounds... maybe it would be better this cycle lost and the next cycle has a better chance with Liara's Black Box idea.


Hey that just occured to me - why didn't they put in a Reapers "win" ending as well? The black box would have even provided a meagre amount of hope for those who wound up with that hypothetical ending, huh... yeah sorry off topic but just something I wanted to share, and to OP, join the club we have plenty of speculation to go round. 

I for one go for space magic :wizard:


We were promised an ending where the reapers could win.  But if you look at it from another angle they win with all these endings. 

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You put da lime in da coconut and drink dem bot' up

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Hunter_Wolf wrote...

alx119 wrote...

I just linked this post to the #masseffect twitter. I can't believe how many people I've seen that said they liked the ending. It's practically illogical.


Because they never played ME1 or ME2, that or they're easily entertained by things that don't make sense. AKA A summer action flick. To say the ending of ME3 is great boggled my mind when I heard it from a friend, because it made absolutely no sense. Unfortunately this was a guy  who played ME1 and ME2 which made it more mind boggling. 

If people liked the ME3 ending, it just goes to show they can't tell the difference between a good story and a bad one. ME3 isn't bad but that ending is pretty awful without the closure it needs.

Your comment provided me some relief =) 
I was starting to feel really disappointed in people in general. 

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Beta-Breech wrote...

Chipaway111 wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

I remember you OP. You are the one that I used a save file from when I made the hop from XBox to PC for ME2.

Which means, I made your Shepard... go through the ending again... I am so sorry. If I knew...

In all seriousness, yeah... the more you think what could happen the more bleak it seems. At least we stopped the Reapers! As nihilistic as it sounds... maybe it would be better this cycle lost and the next cycle has a better chance with Liara's Black Box idea.


Hey that just occured to me - why didn't they put in a Reapers "win" ending as well? The black box would have even provided a meagre amount of hope for those who wound up with that hypothetical ending, huh... yeah sorry off topic but just something I wanted to share, and to OP, join the club we have plenty of speculation to go round. 

I for one go for space magic :wizard:


We were promised an ending where the reapers could win.  But if you look at it from another angle they win with all these endings. 


Or, you know, Shepard does it all for them... typical <_<

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In a word...

Yes

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JeffZero wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

Victorious and uplifting.


Yeah, that's the kind of lingo from the devs that has me convinced they just didn't think things through at all and when they send the game code in to the publishers they thought they were conveying the fleets being capable of getting back to their homeworlds, the blasts from the Relays not killing anyone, etc.

Logic be damned and all that lovely nonsense.


Hi Jeff, haven't seen you here in quite a while (or are the forums just moving too fast?).
Will be interesting to read your posts on the matter.

To the OP: Welcome to the line. It's just horrible isn't it?

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Welcome to the force. We are all in the same boat together. Now it's all about rowing at the same pace in the same direction, so we don't just spin on the same spot. We have a goal, and we have to work all together to get to it ;)

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Don't forget Mass Relays go supernova and destroy everything in the system. So every populated sector with a mass relay is now gone.


Which, if you paid attention, is practically every system with a homeworld in it. Thessia? Check. Palaven? Check. Earth? Check. Rannoch? Check. Tuchanka? Check.

Yeah, everyone's dead.


Actually, I think there's a speck of good news there. I don't think Thessia had a mass relay in-system. It doesn't say on the wiki, but I recall having to travel between systems to get there. But it WAS pretty much levelled.

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you're forgetting the most important element to the Mass Effect conclusion....

pretty colors... ooooh, ahhhhhhh...