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[Kumekerion]

What does it mean for all of this now that a real announcement has been made?

[TudorWolf]

anedorivan wrote...

Its amazing how everything ended up being the complete opposite of what they said.

This is the big one really. It's one thing for a scene (a la the Rachni on Earth) to just get cut due to time/tech constraints, but when stuff is completely contrary to what they were talking about pre-release, red flags start going up.

[tomcplotts]

Lisa_H wrote...

Great post. Yes, we bought the game based on the promises they had given us. Artistic integrity is improtant, but it doesn't mean you can go against everything you promised your customers.

But that's why they make those promises. To sell the game. Too many gamers for whatever reason are still not sufficiently defended against marketing practices. Every game is oversold early now; it's a standard business practice. And the OP is hitting on one of the most central themes of this whole debacle. The complete disconnect between creative ambition and business ambition.

I've believed strongly in a gamers union for years now, to combat precisely this problem. But getting gamers to act collectively is like herding cats--on fire.

The co-founders letter was, in effect, an extension of the marketing practices that the OP is pointing out. I think they're shocked that their ability to make people believe what they want them to believe failed them this time.

[Oakenshield1]

BioWare=nuked. Well done, OP. Well done.

[InfiniteDemise]

This is pertinent to my interests.

[erikage]

Bravo OP. I think that may be the largest issue with the endings.

[QuarianHIV]

15 pages and no sign of the zombie accounts/trolling posters/KotorEffect

This is good.

[Jackal7713]

^bump good post OP.

[MustacheManatee]

It really boils down to one major problem we alll have. There are only three major consequences to your decision at the end. Shepard dies, mass relays are destroyed(presumably stranding the victory fleet), and the Normandy crashes on a jungle planet.
These three MAJOR consequences all go down the same way no matter what we do in the previous two games, or in this one. The only variation on those three consequences is the gasping breath scene which you get if you are maxed out on EMS and choose destroy.
This is the heart of the problem, and the most constructive criticism I can give. Shepard dies, mass relays are destroyed, Normandy crashes. Shouldn't are decisions as Shepard over the last 90 hours reflect how these three consequences play out? I can live with the God child, and you can keep your "artistic integrity", just give me an ending in which the consequences are a reflection of my actions. Thank you for reading. I believe in you Bioware. You can fix this.

[Hydralisk]

If only half these things had been realized... IF ONLY!

[Dean_the_Young]

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

[WilliamDracul88]

Hydralisk wrote...

If only half these things had been realized... IF ONLY!

If only, indeed...

[RamilVenoard]

Just to reiterate, excellent post OP. Indeed one of the major, if not THE major difficulty in accepting the ending. Per Ray Muzyka's post on the ending, it really does seem like they ran out of time to make it right before launch. Otherwise I really can't see the benefit to hyping something just to let customers down. They definitely initially intended to fulfill all the promises made in the quotes listed in the original post.

In the meantime, I, like most, am willing to forgive and move on from this considering that BioWare appears to be in the process of rebuilding their customer-company trust that was so long standing.

Here's to hoping it will all turn out for the best.

[Xelar1979]

While I can certainly agree that the marketing hype for most AAA titles has grown somewhat obscene over the last few years, I see these promises in a somewhat different light than, say, Molyneux's attempts at making us believe that Fable 3 would both cure cancer and open a can of tuna (concurrently). The fact that they are targeted so specifically at the last .1% of the trilogy is the important distinction that I see.

While I won't go so far as to say that we were "lied" to, I am certainly seeing a disconnect between the developers and their fanbase when it comes to the interpretation of those promises. It's sad, really.

[Darkeus]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

Yeah, but it seems like this was the wrong fan base to mess with this time.

[Twistedfaith]

Wellp. Atleast we've gotten something. Though, each and every mod/dev and anyone related to the creation of this game should take a long read over this list; that would enliten them to why there was so much..- So much anger.

[Kumekerion]

Hold the line!

[flyferrari02]

Well said OP.

Hold the Line!

[Blarghonk]

TremulantOne wrote...

I absolutely hate the fact that I was lied to. That alone should have pushed me past the edge. However, after seeing them handle the criticism of DA2 and then repeat the same pony show again for ME3 has basically put the most sour taste in my mouth. I really really want to believe that there was a plan or that something like indoctrination theory was intended but the harsh reality is that it was not and the ending we got was something they were okay with.

At this point I don't even know if them retconning the ending would undo what has been done for me. Suffice to say I'm no longer a fan of Bioware. I will not preorder anything from them EVER AGAIN, and I may never purchase a single thing they release in the future.

Unlike our choices in ME3, yours have consequences BioWare.

Yea I really wished that they were doing it on purpose or were holding something back, even the indoc theory, but everything is pointing towards this being the ending they intended.

In bold is probably my favorite quote in this thread.

[t_i_e_]

Sorry this is to important not to bump.

[Foxcat]

 I agree.

Hold the line

[jinxter69]

This has been posted before...I wish I could remember which thread...but it needs to be said again. Just look at this image Bioware...realize that the complexity you gave us in ME2 set the bar so high, that when you gave us, what you gave us in ME3, we were dumbfounded. How could the devs that gave us the masterpiece ending that was ME2, thoroughly screw up the ending for ME3 by not only giving us ZERO complexity and devaluing and making irrelevant any/all choices we made throughout the games. you changed Shepard's very character. S/He was no longer what the fans created, but we were forced to watch Shepard give up.

[Looper128]

I still have hope for the indoctrination theory =)

atleast the last thing we lose is.. hope.

[Thatguyky]

So many lies...

[HALO_Project]

JohnnyG wrote...


If a painter has agreed to paint a wilderness scene for me, and I have paid them based on that promise, are you saying they have the right to give me a painting of a cityscape instead, and that I simply have to accept it because their "artistic integrity" is at stake?  I didn't think so.  So while your argument for artistic choices is understandable, unfortunately the moment you began making promises to your consumers you became bound to them.

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That is exactly what I've been thinking each time they throw out that "Artistic Integrity" line. Well done. I only hope they really are listening and that they get this post. It's all any of us really want. We want what we were promised. If they had said that this is what they would be doing all along and we bought it anyway then we'd have no cause to be upset. They deliberately misinformed us to ensure sales. And it's not too late to atone and become once more that company that listens and understands their fans, that isn't in it solely for the bottom line.

This is how Forbes took the statement and I tend to agree.

http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/  

Holding out Hope and Holding The Line.