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[Silveralen]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

The thing is, we are started trying to find out why the ending bothered us so bad, and in the end we find additional flaws, like the above, we didn't even consider at first.

[Demarco09]

tomcplotts wrote...


But that's why they make those promises. To sell the game. Too many gamers for whatever reason are still not sufficiently defended against marketing practices. Every game is oversold early now; it's a standard business practice. And the OP is hitting on one of the most central themes of this whole debacle. The complete disconnect between creative ambition and business ambition.

I've believed strongly in a gamers union for years now, to combat precisely this problem. But getting gamers to act collectively is like herding cats--on fire.

The co-founders letter was, in effect, an extension of the marketing practices that the OP is pointing out. I think they're shocked that their ability to make people believe what they want them to believe failed them this time.

^ Nicely put!  Seeing the OPs post is quite disturbing.  I think companies are starting to feel more and more confident in selling white lies because it is going unchecked.  This is scary to say the least.
 Thank you for pointing this out.

[nevar00]

Silveralen wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

The thing is, we are started trying to find out why the ending bothered us so bad, and in the end we find additional flaws, like the above, we didn't even consider at first.

And I don't see why this is something we should just get used to either.  Is it so bad that gamers are finally finished with being lied to?  How about content that is removed from the disk and sold as DLC (not saying it happened here but it has in the past)?  Gamers have been taken advantage of because we're a bunch of dumb sheep and if something happens that we don't like, he mumble about it, buy it, and move on our way.  I've had enough of Peter Molyneux and this kind of "16* different endings!"  *really 1 in three colors.  This **** should not be acceptable just because it's the "norm" or not and I'm glad to see some others are finally fed up with it.

[IhateEA-Mask]

JohnnyG wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

You forgot the review with Walters where he says that game won't have magic in space when asked about plausibility of science in Mass Effect.

Provide me a link and I will add it to my original post.

http://social.biowar...10241600-1.html

[OntologicalShock]

OP, your post made me think that the FTC complain guy might actually have honest motivations. Good show, putting all those broken promises together in one place! Lets hope they try to do something about it.

[flip240]

This is the problem loyal fans to the Mass Effect series have with the ending provided. We've been waiting years for this game to come out, have read every news article ever published, the week it was published, and believed in the hype. This is something that critics to the negative uproar don't seem to understand.

[spirosz]

tomcplotts wrote...


But that's why they make those promises. To sell the game. Too many gamers for whatever reason are still not sufficiently defended against marketing practices. Every game is oversold early now; it's a standard business practice. And the OP is hitting on one of the most central themes of this whole debacle. The complete disconnect between creative ambition and business ambition.

I've believed strongly in a gamers union for years now, to combat precisely this problem. But getting gamers to act collectively is like herding cats--on fire.

The co-founders letter was, in effect, an extension of the marketing practices that the OP is pointing out. I think they're shocked that their ability to make people believe what they want them to believe failed them this time.

Sad, but true. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Darkeus wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

Yeah, but it seems like this was the wrong fan base to mess with this time.

You mean the new Call of Duty crowd? 

[Chuvvy]

Biowares approach to game development.

Pre launch.

We're a business, and we need to make money. It's our obligation, that's why we're implementing features almost no one has asked for, like auto dialog, multiplayer, and kinect.

Post launch

lol we're artist, this was our artistic vision, you can't ask us to change because we lied during marketing.

[Militarized]

Slidell505 wrote...

Biowares approach to game development.

Pre launch.

We're a business, and we need to make money. It's our obligation, that's why we're implementing features almost no one has asked for, like auto dialog, multiplayer, and kinect.

Post launch

lol we're artist, this was our artistic vision, you can't ask us to change because we lied during marketing.

The autodialogue doesn't bother me to much, most if it was just filler stuff anyway so you're not saying the same thing over and over. 

Wasting time on multiplayer and kinect was obviously... a mistake... possibly. I don't know. They really fudged up though.

[babelcarlota]

amen

[Darkeus]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

Yeah, but it seems like this was the wrong fan base to mess with this time.

You mean the new Call of Duty crowd? 

No, this fan base.  Those "inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders" are not working here this time.

As for the Call of Duty crowd, I couldn't tell you.  But the fact that they buy the same game with different maps over and over again may say that they are still hooked right into the hype machine....

[LegendaryBlade]

I think the chances of Bioware addressing this are zero. There is literally no way to explain or spin this outside of 'We're sorry we mislead you' and I would be damn surprised if they ever said something like that.

[Primalrose]

Felene wrote...

Fully support OP. We are not idiots BioWare, FALSE ADVERTISING is not "artistic integrity! "

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[MrLee95]

Wow so many... lies!! It stings!!

[ashley_actually]

Seeing all those broken promises lined up one after the other really made me a bit sad. Especially since many were made after the game went gold and the endings were already set.

[DGuyton]

I agree with the OP whole-heartedly but we're never going to see any of this answered. It would require Bioware to go back and change everything in the ending and beyond. They won't. I know I've said this before, but, they can't go back and change the ending because it's hard-coded into the game now. All we're going to get is DLC that continues one of their already made endings and plugs up holes.

In order to fix it, they'd have to cut out everything from when the citadel got stolen to the battle on Earth. They can't do that because it's already in the game. So, at best we're just going to get DLC based after one of the endings as they planned from the beginning. Most likely the 'Red' ending at least for starters.

[BeLana]

agree

[Abram730]

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Sometimes contrasts between extremes can make something bad into a trip over the edge.

Also it's bad to promise what you can't deliver... It's false advertising.. Intent isn't going to matter and salvaging it still will not erase the memories.

Modifié par Abram730, 22 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[KeldorKatarn]

Keep it up folks, hold the line! Make them appologize for their lies, make them stick to their promises.

If we let them get away with this you can kiss this industry goodbye already.

@Bioware: You can honestly read this and talk about "integrity" without blushing? That's even WORSE than lying to us before. Have you no shame at all?

I want to hear THIS thread adressed in April folks, if you don't do that you can stuff all the rest you have to say where no sun shines.

[Levi1988]

The ending is definite proof that they lied to us, and that they falsely advertised this product.

[Darksaber2]

That's the problem with the internet age for big companies. No one accepts PR double talk when hyping a game, and when you post specifics, everyone will have it once your lies come to light. I was talking to a friend exactly about this earlier today, saying this exactly, that Bioware shot itself in the foot here, taking their blurbs to extraordinarily specific levels. There's not even room for ambiguous interpretation in these things. Someone really needs to teach these guys on twitter how to CYA, lol.

[Ravax]

Bap-um-bump

[blurryhunter]

Darkeus wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The OP's more than a few years late. These are the same sort of inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders that have been industry standard since well before ME1.

Yeah, but it seems like this was the wrong fan base to mess with this time.

You mean the new Call of Duty crowd? 

No, this fan base.  Those "inflated, marginally true advertising hybe-builders" are not working here this time.

As for the Call of Duty crowd, I couldn't tell you.  But the fact that they buy the same game with different maps over and over again may say that they are still hooked right into the hype machine....

The difference between the COD crowd and this group is that when the next COD came out, they bought it, and almost all got exactly what they expected. Another COD.

When ME3 was bought, we got, at least as far as the ending was concerned, nothing like what we expected.

Remember the backlash the guy that made Fable got? When he mentioned something on order of it 'being the best RPG since ever' or some statement sadly not far off? It's like that now, except he admitted he jumped the gun and didn't know what he was talking about.

BioWare told us we were going to get endings fitting their descriptions in ME3. We got endings that, in some cases, went completely counter to what they said. It's so against their word that they might as well have said we'd get Superman and it ended with a Batman ending. Same universe, but wouldn't make sense. That's not even taking into account the sheer lack of choices that defined the difference between the ME series and any other trilogy of games; of which they said we'd have.

[HooblaDGN]

Reading this... makes me very sad for what should have been. THAT is the sort of ending diversity that Mass Effect 3 deserves. We were told that it would be in. Now...