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[Nykara]

There is a lot of them around, I always saw them as just mini stories of what was going on around the universe due to the war really, most of them pretty sad too. Wasn't there also an asari in the hospital who was scared to death of humans? And another soldier who lost his leg which was also sad.

[Han Shot First]

Xilizhra wrote...

dgcatanisiri wrote...

Okay, am I the only one who wanted Shepard to have a reaction to the woman who was leaving her soldier husband? Because I can't imagine that Shepard, who reiterates that s/he's 'just a soldier' at several points, wouldn't have some choice words for this woman.

Because it's automatically morally condemnable to fall out of love with a soldier?

In any case, I imagine that the asari gets over her cold feet after a while.

Its not that she's no longer in love with her husband.

Its that she's carrying on an affair behind his back, while he's out on the front lines someplace risking his life to potentially save hers. While all forms of infidelity are bad, that sort of falls somewhere on the scale near cheating on a spouse who has a terminal illness. Its just morally repugnant.

That doesn't mean she should have stayed with him, mind you. Just that she should have broken it off at some point before she started having an affair behind his back.

[Xilizhra]

Han Shot First wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

dgcatanisiri wrote...

Okay, am I the only one who wanted Shepard to have a reaction to the woman who was leaving her soldier husband? Because I can't imagine that Shepard, who reiterates that s/he's 'just a soldier' at several points, wouldn't have some choice words for this woman.

Because it's automatically morally condemnable to fall out of love with a soldier?

In any case, I imagine that the asari gets over her cold feet after a while.

Its not that she's no longer in love with her husband.

Its that she's carrying on an affair behind his back, while he's out on the front lines someplace risking his life to potentially save hers. While all forms of infidelity are bad, that sort of falls somewhere on the scale near cheating on a spouse who has a terminal illness. Its just morally repugnant.

That doesn't mean she should have stayed with him, mind you. Just that she should have broken it off at some point before she started having an affair behind his back.

If she breaks up with him without revealing the affair, the net effect is the same. The only problem would come if she tried staying with him and he found out about it.

[Han Shot First]

Sure, the effect on him would probably be the same.

But in one scenario she's selfish, dishonest, and guilty of a betrayal. In the other she isn't. That she wasn't honest makes her a less sympathetic character. The fact that her husband was off on the front lines someplace, also brings her close to John Edwards levels of sleeziness. Its not far behind cheating on a spouse who is terminally ill.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 avril 2013 - 03:14 .

[Xilizhra]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sure, the effect on him would probably be the same.

But in one scenario she's selfish, dishonest, and guilty of a betrayal. In the other she isn't. That she wasn't honest makes her a less sympathetic character. The fact that her husband was off on the front lines someplace, also brings her close to John Edwards levels of sleeziness. Its not far behind cheating on a spouse who is terminally ill.

It's too minor for me to actually wish ill on her, especially since it happening to her wouldn't help anyone else.

[Wolfva2]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sure, the effect on him would probably be the same.

But in one scenario she's selfish, dishonest, and guilty of a betrayal. In the other she isn't. That she wasn't honest makes her a less sympathetic character. The fact that her husband was off on the front lines someplace, also brings her close to John Edwards levels of sleeziness. Its not far behind cheating on a spouse who is terminally ill.

+10 points.  As if fighting on the front lines, watching friends get ripped to pieces, having to kill other friends who've been huskified, never knowing if you're going to die, finding out your wife is banging behind your back in a dear john letter would probably be the last straw.   What I find sad, especially in responces to Han, is how some people seem to have no concept of honor anymore.  You take a vow, you keep the vow.  Otherwise, don't take it.  


Howabout the datadisc you find on the dead Krogan in the Rachni mission?  You deliver it to his Asari wife, who plays it, and it's....Charr.  The Poetic Krogan.  That scene floored me.  I was sitting there going, "But...but...but I got them together!  Ran into them on Tuchanka!  WTF?!? NOOOOOO!!!"
"Let my broken bones build a wall around your garden; so you and the flower we planted together can grow safe and strong."  Man.  It just gets me, ya know?

[Xilizhra]

+10 points. As if fighting on the front lines, watching friends get ripped to pieces, having to kill other friends who've been huskified, never knowing if you're going to die, finding out your wife is banging behind your back in a dear john letter would probably be the last straw. What I find sad, especially in responces to Han, is how some people seem to have no concept of honor anymore. You take a vow, you keep the vow. Otherwise, don't take it.

This is reliant on people being omniscient and/or clairvoyant when they make said vow. Circumstances and feelings can change.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

I loved (and hated this particular story because of crying) all the background ambient dialog in ME3, it just made it seem more real, there was a small amount in ME1, almost none in ME2, but in ME3, it completed the scene. I just wouldn't believe there was a war on without hearing "we have to cut off your leg above the knee".

So realism, it's cool.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

I really love the one where the human and batarian are sitting in the Docks: Holding Area and the human is telling his experience with the reaper attack and the batarian gets more and more annoyed.

The conclusion to it where they bond and become friendly to each toher was pretty heartwarming.

[Dieb]

Xilizhra wrote...

+10 points. As if fighting on the front lines, watching friends get ripped to pieces, having to kill other friends who've been huskified, never knowing if you're going to die, finding out your wife is banging behind your back in a dear john letter would probably be the last straw. What I find sad, especially in responces to Han, is how some people seem to have no concept of honor anymore. You take a vow, you keep the vow. Otherwise, don't take it.

This is reliant on people being omniscient and/or clairvoyant when they make said vow. Circumstances and feelings can change.

The sole purpose of a vow is a commitment not reliant on any of those factors, actually. Otherwise, it would merely be an acknowledgment of currently being comfortable with something.

Regardlessly, I like those scenes. Both of their behaviour might seem morally questionable, but it's also ever so comprehensible. At the end, when the Asari realizes she's in for too much, I couldn't help but think "Ouch, reality."

[Wolfva2]

Xilizhra wrote...

+10 points. As if fighting on the front lines, watching friends get ripped to pieces, having to kill other friends who've been huskified, never knowing if you're going to die, finding out your wife is banging behind your back in a dear john letter would probably be the last straw. What I find sad, especially in responces to Han, is how some people seem to have no concept of honor anymore. You take a vow, you keep the vow. Otherwise, don't take it.

This is reliant on people being omniscient and/or clairvoyant when they make said vow. Circumstances and feelings can change.

BZZZZ  I am sorry, but that is an incorrect answer.  But thank you for playing, and here's your consolation prize! <audience cheers> <no, don't ask me what the consolation prize is, I'm winging it>

If you vow to do something, you do it.  Period.  Personally, I think marriage vows are extremely idiotic.  HOW can one possibly swear to maintain an emotion in the future?  It's ludicrous.  Well, that explains why I'm not married I suppose.  That, and my face, but I digress (and since this in itself is a digression.....).

There are exigent circumstances which may explain failure to fullfill one's vow.  Swearing you'll make it to your son's baseball game but missing it because you died in a fiery car wreck would be one.  Waking up and saying, "Huh.  I just realized I hate baseball.  Screw seeing my son play!" isn't valid.

If you don't want to stay with a person through sickness and health, good times and bad, until death do you part then don't swear to do so. 

[Dieb]

Wolfva2 wrote...
If you vow to do something, you do it.  Period.  Personally, I think marriage vows are extremely idiotic.  HOW can one possibly swear to maintain an emotion in the future?  It's ludicrous.

I absolutely agree with you here...

Wolfva2 wrote...

BZZZZ  I am sorry, but that is an incorrect answer.  But thank you for playing, and here's your consolation prize! <audience cheers> <no, don't ask me what the consolation prize is, I'm winging it>

...but there are nicer ways to get your point across, don't you think?

Modifié par Baelrahn, 26 avril 2013 - 09:16 .

[Xilizhra]

Regardlessly, I like those scenes. Both of their behaviour might seem morally questionable, but it's also ever so comprehensible. At the end, when the Asari realizes she's in for too much, I couldn't help but think "Ouch, reality."

Eh. There's still plenty of time for her to change her mind.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Sure, the effect on him would probably be the same.

But in one scenario she's selfish, dishonest, and guilty of a betrayal. In the other she isn't. That she wasn't honest makes her a less sympathetic character. The fact that her husband was off on the front lines someplace, also brings her close to John Edwards levels of sleeziness. Its not far behind cheating on a spouse who is terminally ill.

It's too minor for me to actually wish ill on her, especially since it happening to her wouldn't help anyone else.

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

[christrek1982]

whats this thing about the Asari being the old woman's daughter in law? she just works their? and the old woman has shock or dimensha or something.

that little girl waiting for her parent was the story that made me wanna kill destroy the reaper also the woman trying to get her daughter to thesia is kinda sad when you see what happens to the place.

[Dieb]

Xilizhra wrote...

Regardlessly, I like those scenes. Both of their behaviour might seem morally questionable, but it's also ever so comprehensible. At the end, when the Asari realizes she's in for too much, I couldn't help but think "Ouch, reality."

Eh. There's still plenty of time for her to change her mind.

Uhm... I suppose?

Don't mean to be overly intrusive, but you seem to be unusually strongly affected by this scene.

[Xilizhra]

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

And I never will, if I'm lucky. Regardless, it cannot be said to be morally worse than any other falling out of love.

Uhm... I suppose?

Don't mean to be overly intrusive, but you seem to be unusually strongly affected by this scene.

It's one of the few background lesbian relationships in the series, and Bioware has a track record of handling the background ones poorly. I tend to invest easily in hoping these turn out well.

[Dieb]

Xilizhra wrote...

Uhm... I suppose?

Don't mean to be overly intrusive, but you seem to be unusually strongly affected by this scene.

It's one of the few background lesbian relationships in the series, and Bioware has a track record of handling the background ones poorly. I tend to invest easily in hoping these turn out well.

You mean the whole "gays-change-partners-like-underpants"-clichée? Embarassingly, that never even occured to me. I understand what you mean now.

Maybe it's because they still insist that the Asari are clearly in no way remotely female. Like, no way. At all.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 26 avril 2013 - 02:12 .

[Xilizhra]

Baelrahn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Uhm... I suppose?

Don't mean to be overly intrusive, but you seem to be unusually strongly affected by this scene.

It's one of the few background lesbian relationships in the series, and Bioware has a track record of handling the background ones poorly. I tend to invest easily in hoping these turn out well.

You mean the whole "gays-change-partners-like-underpants"-clichée? Embarassingly, that never even occured to me. I understand what you mean now.

Maybe it's because they still insist that the Asari are clearly in no way remotely female. Like, no way. At all.

Something like that, yes. I've had one for about three years now, and it's gone very well so far.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

And I never will, if I'm lucky. Regardless, it cannot be said to be morally worse than any other falling out of love.

Uh, yeah. It can. The conduct and context of a breakup can be incredibly important to how it affects the other party: it's one thing to reach an amicabble understanding and a velvet divorce, and it's another to unilaterally yank away a pillar of support from underneath someone in a high-stress environment while they're still there.

A betrayal of trust and commitment can certainly be said to be much, much worse morally and practically than simply ending love.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

And I never will, if I'm lucky. Regardless, it cannot be said to be morally worse than any other falling out of love.

Uh, yeah. It can. The conduct and context of a breakup can be incredibly important to how it affects the other party: it's one thing to reach an amicabble understanding and a velvet divorce, and it's another to unilaterally yank away a pillar of support from underneath someone in a high-stress environment while they're still there.

A betrayal of trust and commitment can certainly be said to be much, much worse morally and practically than simply ending love.

So you're saying she shouldn't say anything unless he makes it back alive?

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

And I never will, if I'm lucky. Regardless, it cannot be said to be morally worse than any other falling out of love.

Uh, yeah. It can. The conduct and context of a breakup can be incredibly important to how it affects the other party: it's one thing to reach an amicabble understanding and a velvet divorce, and it's another to unilaterally yank away a pillar of support from underneath someone in a high-stress environment while they're still there.

A betrayal of trust and commitment can certainly be said to be much, much worse morally and practically than simply ending love.

So you're saying she shouldn't say anything unless he makes it back alive?

I'm saying she should have broken up with him before beginning the new relationship: either giving him a chance to salvage the relationship (if there was a problem from his actions), or communicating her own issues and problems in advance so as not to spring a surprise. Likewise, breaking up with him in person is far superior than a breakup letter: it would hurt, no doubt, but it's far more respectful and honest than a long-distance breakup.

Both of these are morally superior to what she is actually proposing doing.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 26 avril 2013 - 03:10 .

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

And I never will, if I'm lucky. Regardless, it cannot be said to be morally worse than any other falling out of love.

Uh, yeah. It can. The conduct and context of a breakup can be incredibly important to how it affects the other party: it's one thing to reach an amicabble understanding and a velvet divorce, and it's another to unilaterally yank away a pillar of support from underneath someone in a high-stress environment while they're still there.

A betrayal of trust and commitment can certainly be said to be much, much worse morally and practically than simply ending love.

So you're saying she shouldn't say anything unless he makes it back alive?

I'm saying she should have broken up with him before beginning the new relationship. Likewise, breaking up with him in person is far superior than a breakup letter.

Both of these are morally superior to a long-distance breakup simultaneous to the affair.

The dialogue implies that she didn't know it had gotten so bad until after he'd left, so I doubt that was really an option.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Spoken like someone who's never seen a soldier destroyed by a Dear John letter.

And I never will, if I'm lucky. Regardless, it cannot be said to be morally worse than any other falling out of love.

Uh, yeah. It can. The conduct and context of a breakup can be incredibly important to how it affects the other party: it's one thing to reach an amicabble understanding and a velvet divorce, and it's another to unilaterally yank away a pillar of support from underneath someone in a high-stress environment while they're still there.

A betrayal of trust and commitment can certainly be said to be much, much worse morally and practically than simply ending love.

So you're saying she shouldn't say anything unless he makes it back alive?

I'm saying she should have broken up with him before beginning the new relationship. Likewise, breaking up with him in person is far superior than a breakup letter.

Both of these are morally superior to a long-distance breakup simultaneous to the affair.

The dialogue implies that she didn't know it had gotten so bad until after he'd left, so I doubt that was really an option.

Breaking up before beginning the affair? That could be done long distance, even if a long-distance breakup under such conditions is contemptable (though less so than what she proposes). Or waiting for him to come back on leave (or in a casket) before ending the relationship? She is not in a context where waiting would be unreasonable.

Both were possible: there is no false delimma, nor any obligation for her to go with the affair. You are entertaining a false delimma when there is none: it was in her power to decide to decide when to break up, how to communicate the breakup, and even to engage in the affair when she was already in a committed relationship.

[Xilizhra]

Both were possible: there is no false delimma, nor any obligation for her to go with the affair. You are entertaining a false delimma when there is none: it was in her power to decide to decide when to break up, how to communicate the breakup, and even to engage in the affair when she was already in a committed relationship.

Dilemma.

Yes, the whole set of circumstances was ultimately something of a mistake, but in the current situation, there's not a great deal else she can do except not tell him unless he comes back alive.