To everyone that doesn't understand:
Ray only repeated what Casey said, which was simply comprised of touting the critic reviews and labeling everyone averse to the ending as occupying the minority, which isn't the case at all. Not only that, but Ray identified our thoughts as a whole as destructive criticism. He generalized us and as such, made us seem insignificant. I can't support a company that misconstrues the situation so badly. We aren't children, so don't treat us that way.
A little offended by what Co-Founder has said
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#27
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:28
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Everwarden wrote...
joe1852 wrote...
what aren't u guys offended by?
A lot of things, actually. A sincere message instead of a pile of PR garbage would have been a start.
Want them to kiss your ass while they're at it? PR is standard in any public address. I'd actually lose respect for the guy if he dropped it, and I want a better ending. Some guys need to take the chillpill. He hasn't even said how they're going to address the ending.
To me, some people are just looking for reasons to be mad at Bioware.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:29
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Kataigida wrote...
If anything, the fans are more likely to start 'attacking' each other as they try to say why their view is 'correct' then they are to attack a member of the BioWare team.
Well at least part of what I said has started to show up... Despite my attempt to be civil, I am instead being abased by my fellows.
Forgive me for trying to be civil and put my opinion out there.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:29
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Basically our movement got addressed by not the just project lead of Mass Effect, but by the company's co-founder, and you guys aren't happy?
He's not gonna come right out and say the ending sucked, what exactly do you expect of these people. There a company, not the messiah.
He's not gonna come right out and say the ending sucked, what exactly do you expect of these people. There a company, not the messiah.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:29
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You know, he mentioned the critics opinions in the beginning to say how that would be foolish of them to defend their product in that manner solely?
There are also many different fans with different ways in how they responded to the endings. Just because he didn't praise all in Jesus' name about the ReTake movement doesn't mean that the destructive behavior mentioned is on that group (ReTake wasn't mentioned at all, so members getting upset at it are just jumping at shadows).
We also don't have access to personal BioWare emails and messaging over all forms of public domains. To say that there is hardly any personal attacks because we don't see any on one forum is naive. Most of those messages people would send, they wouldn't want public more-than-likely. So keep in mind that nothing is happening outside of your personal scope.
It still is PR talk to help pacify both fans and shareholders, which is why that little advertisement was added in.
BioWare does need to recognize what TakeBack is doing, and should put in a word to the media to not be so negative towards disgruntled fans and they will retain the same access as they normally would. When BioWare makes the official announcement, they should talk about specifically where they went wrong and why their intentions didn't successfully please the audience.
We gained a decent amount of ground today. BioWare admitted that what they did needs to be worked on, and we were given a timetable on when we can hear more on what that work entails. Let's take that as we continue to hold the line.
There are also many different fans with different ways in how they responded to the endings. Just because he didn't praise all in Jesus' name about the ReTake movement doesn't mean that the destructive behavior mentioned is on that group (ReTake wasn't mentioned at all, so members getting upset at it are just jumping at shadows).
We also don't have access to personal BioWare emails and messaging over all forms of public domains. To say that there is hardly any personal attacks because we don't see any on one forum is naive. Most of those messages people would send, they wouldn't want public more-than-likely. So keep in mind that nothing is happening outside of your personal scope.
It still is PR talk to help pacify both fans and shareholders, which is why that little advertisement was added in.
BioWare does need to recognize what TakeBack is doing, and should put in a word to the media to not be so negative towards disgruntled fans and they will retain the same access as they normally would. When BioWare makes the official announcement, they should talk about specifically where they went wrong and why their intentions didn't successfully please the audience.
We gained a decent amount of ground today. BioWare admitted that what they did needs to be worked on, and we were given a timetable on when we can hear more on what that work entails. Let's take that as we continue to hold the line.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:29
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Lugaidster wrote...
To me, some people are just looking for reasons to be mad at Bioware.
I agree. I'm really hoping we can just take a deep collective breath.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:30
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AllergevKev wrote...
Basically our movement got addressed by not the just project lead of Mass Effect, but by the company's co-founder, and you guys aren't happy?
He's not gonna come right out and say the ending sucked, what exactly do you expect of these people. There a company, not the messiah.
Seriously, some folks need to learn to manage their expectations. They are perpetuating the whiny, entitled stereotype and need to get a grip on themselves.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:30
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Seriously?
After the lashing they took from the fans and giviing us what we asked for, I firmly believe that they are allowed to vent and maybe slip in a little f*** you to the ones that harassed their employees (hell we should do that for them). I'm fine with what was said.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:30
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The fact that he said it was minority of people is insulting. On this dang site we know that not to be the case. When people who did like the ending raise 70 K for sick kids come talk to me .
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:30
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AllergevKev wrote...
Basically our movement got addressed by not the just project lead of Mass Effect, but by the company's co-founder, and you guys aren't happy?
He's not gonna come right out and say the ending sucked, what exactly do you expect of these people. There a company, not the messiah.
And why not? Todd Howard admitted the ending to Fallout 3 sucked. Game developers aren't deities that are devoid of admitting mistakes. They're people, just like you and me. Sometimes you have to admit failure, there's just no excuse.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:31
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I have to agree, you're all getting a little more paranoid then what's needed.
And this is coming from someone who's been critical to about everything being said and even written on other news sites.
This entire ordeal is straining on both us and the Bioware staff, and it shows on both parts
Does this mean we should break the line?. No, but trying to find hidden agendas all the time isn't the way to go.
Calm down, we got good news today.
Trying to pour gasoline on a fire will only have it flare up again which would be counter productive.
We'll wait and see what happens onwards now and in April.
And this is coming from someone who's been critical to about everything being said and even written on other news sites.
This entire ordeal is straining on both us and the Bioware staff, and it shows on both parts
Does this mean we should break the line?. No, but trying to find hidden agendas all the time isn't the way to go.
Calm down, we got good news today.
Trying to pour gasoline on a fire will only have it flare up again which would be counter productive.
We'll wait and see what happens onwards now and in April.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:31
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He basically said the critics all think it's great and only the fans are complaining.
Other than that, it was a standard PR statement and the only thing you should take away from it is that if the CEO and co counder needs to come out and make a statement, you're getting to them.
Hold the line.
Other than that, it was a standard PR statement and the only thing you should take away from it is that if the CEO and co counder needs to come out and make a statement, you're getting to them.
Hold the line.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:32
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The Almighty Ali wrote...
This entire ordeal is straining on both us and the Bioware staff, and it shows on both parts
Does this mean we should break the line?. No, but trying to find hidden agendas all the time isn't the way to go.
Well-put, sir!
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:33
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Joeybsmooth4 wrote...
The fact that he said it was minority of people is insulting. On this dang site we know that not to be the case. When people who did like the ending raise 70 K for sick kids come talk to me .
I dare you to quote me where in that letter says we are a minority. I double dare you m0ther**** (a little reference to Pulp Fiction
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:33
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Journalists don't know a Mako from a Hammerhead why should their opinion be above fans who love the Mass Effect universe?
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:33
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The Almighty Ali wrote...
I have to agree, you're all getting a little more paranoid then what's needed.
And this is coming from someone who's been critical to about everything being said and even written on other news sites.
This entire ordeal is straining on both us and the Bioware staff, and it shows on both parts
Does this mean we should break the line?. No, but trying to find hidden agendas all the time isn't the way to go.
Calm down, we got good news today.
Trying to pour gasoline on a fire will only have it flare up again which would be counter productive.
We'll wait and see what happens onwards now and in April.
Yes
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:33
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Who cares if he may or may not have made a small dig at Retake Mass Effect 3? Stay civil yet firm, trying to play the "I'm offended" card with something so nebulous won't work.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:34
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It was the best and most informative response we have had so far.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:34
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Lugaidster wrote...
What are you a virgin? Go get laid and chill out.. God. Offended... And you even put minority in quote marks when the word isn't even in the article, there's not even a word starting with "min".
Just because he did not use the word 'minority' it was implied in parts. But since you are annoyed by that bit, I will go back and change/reword/remove it.
And to answer your question in a civil manner. No, I am not.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:34
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The Almighty Ali wrote...
I have to agree, you're all getting a little more paranoid then what's needed.
And this is coming from someone who's been critical to about everything being said and even written on other news sites.
This entire ordeal is straining on both us and the Bioware staff, and it shows on both parts
Does this mean we should break the line?. No, but trying to find hidden agendas all the time isn't the way to go.
Calm down, we got good news today.
Trying to pour gasoline on a fire will only have it flare up again which would be counter productive.
We'll wait and see what happens onwards now and in April.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:36
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My response to the letter is here if anyone is interested... It's a long read though. I've tried to cover everything.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10395811/1
http://social.biowar...ndex/10395811/1
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:37
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Deithmarez wrote...
To everyone that doesn't understand:
Ray only repeated what Casey said, which was simply comprised of touting the critic reviews and labeling everyone averse to the ending as occupying the minority, which isn't the case at all. Not only that, but Ray identified our thoughts as a whole as destructive criticism. He generalized us and as such, made us seem insignificant. I can't support a company that misconstrues the situation so badly. We aren't children, so don't treat us that way.
No he didn't. He states at the beginning that they shouldn't use that as a defense to block out the player's opinion. He uses it later to demonstrate the quality of the overall product is, which is fair (yes, I know about "it ruined the franchise").
And our thoughts as a whole weren't put in that light. He was just addressing that there are certain actions they will not take into account, such as threats and hate mail (again, just because we don't see it on the forum doesn't mean their messeges and emails aren't full of the rage-machine). Stop being so sensitive where any little thing said about any number of people, in this case probably relatively few, automatically involves the whole movement.
I do agree that the minority thing needs to be killed off. I understand the implications, but I don't think the stockholders are all that dense to not be able to recognize it on their own if they follow their company properly.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:37
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OP well thought out and typed post. He went out of his way to accuse the fans of attacking staff of Bioware to make us look like thugs. I in fact have never once attacked a staff member of Bioware. I have pointed out that the entire team of ME and the entirety of Bioware and EA have known about the leaked endings for some time and could have fixed them or had a day one DLC ready to fix the issues but did nothing about it.
This to me seems a way to de-humanize us and to make us seem like the bad guys. Further more his telling us to support the game and then give constructive feed back is a load of bull and many know this. Many have played the game and hated the endings. Those that have seen the endings on youtube before even purchasing the game won't buy it because the endings suck.
Why should we support Bioware and it's game if they are going to do this to us? I see no reason to and this is why I refuse to buy DLC or any future games and it is also why I tell anyone I know that buying any games from Bioware after this is just plain wrong and not to do it. To spend their money on better games and different game companies worthy of their money. Game companies like Bethesda who aren't going to lie to you about their games. They are going to be straight up and honest. Yeah maybe a game mechanic is bugged, that tends to happen but over all they aren't going to hype up a game and then fail to deliver.
That is what Bioware did. They hyped up the game, promised 16 very different endings, promise no auto-dialogue in the story and RPG modes. Promised us better and deeper romances and so on and so forth and failed to deliver.
This is why I'm upset and many others too.
This to me seems a way to de-humanize us and to make us seem like the bad guys. Further more his telling us to support the game and then give constructive feed back is a load of bull and many know this. Many have played the game and hated the endings. Those that have seen the endings on youtube before even purchasing the game won't buy it because the endings suck.
Why should we support Bioware and it's game if they are going to do this to us? I see no reason to and this is why I refuse to buy DLC or any future games and it is also why I tell anyone I know that buying any games from Bioware after this is just plain wrong and not to do it. To spend their money on better games and different game companies worthy of their money. Game companies like Bethesda who aren't going to lie to you about their games. They are going to be straight up and honest. Yeah maybe a game mechanic is bugged, that tends to happen but over all they aren't going to hype up a game and then fail to deliver.
That is what Bioware did. They hyped up the game, promised 16 very different endings, promise no auto-dialogue in the story and RPG modes. Promised us better and deeper romances and so on and so forth and failed to deliver.
This is why I'm upset and many others too.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 09:38
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Joeybsmooth4 wrote...
The fact that he said it was minority of people is insulting. On this dang site we know that not to be the case. When people who did like the ending raise 70 K for sick kids come talk to me .
Can you please quote where he said minority?
