204 réponses à ce sujet

[RiouHotaru]

Why would they "admit" to a mistake they clearly don't think they made? Because the fans are shouting very loudly that they did?

[Ville L]

Modifié par Ville L, 21 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[Narsilsword]

Be the better person!

http://social.biowar...406971#10406971

[Kanon777]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Why would they "admit" to a mistake they clearly don't think they made? Because the fans are shouting very loudly that they did?

[Ville L]

-

[Kataigida]

Lugaidster wrote...

There was an assh0le on twitter that literally threatened Jessica, that tweet later got deleted obviously. He later went on to apologize but still. Who knows how much hate mail they've been receiving. Besides, there are quite a few here on the forum that have no qualms in deriding or dismissing people at Bioware. I agree that many have been civil, but it sure as hell is true that there are a few vocal haters. If on top of that you add oversensitive people then it starts to get nervewrecking (at least for me). 

I understand that there are probably a lot of forms of media that people are using in order to harass members of BioWare, including e-mail, telephone, and tweets (though I just ignore tweets, good and bad, but I'll admit they are there are can be very offensive), and I am very sorry that people have to be this way. I do not think they should be rewarded or anything, and I think they should be banned from forums/have actions taken against them, even though that can't always happen.

However, the way that it problem was addressed in the statement made it sound as if there are a lot of people doing this, and for those that are not as 'in the loop' as people say...on the BioWare forums, would view this to mean that there aren't as many civilized people as they may have once thought, even though there are more people that are civilized about their views. It is unforunate that these people are less likely to get attention then those that go about their ideas in a very bad way.

[Diablos2525]

GBJ13 wrote...

I wouldn't be offended to be honest. The reason they point to critics is because it's one of the indicators of success. What critics look for and what fans look for is different in some areas, but I think critics still want their reviews to be valued by fans, and I would add that some video game critics are fans. You don't devote yourself to being a movie critic, if you don't love movies.

If you got criticized by your boss for a project, but his deputy said you did a great job, wouldn't you mention what the deputy said? That's what Bioware is doing here. I think sometimes we just see them as people who want $$. In truth, I imagine that while they are motivated by profits, they really want to make a great game first and foremost.

Don't be offended. They're showing you how they feel about the whole endeavor. It's just part of an honest discussion. Hopefully, we can get some progress.

Critics gave Dragon Age 2 a high score...lol.

[Lugaidster]

Zix13 wrote...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey." That sounds really really really bad. Like, not changing the godchild scene to make sense. Or changing the ending to match the quality of the rest of the game.

"Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it." Wow. He just ignored a large part of the problem: The fact that there was no player control over the ending. In fact, this guy had the gall to lie about it after we've seen the ending.

I appreciate hearing from bioware, but this still seems like a bit of a "**** you" to everyone annoyed about the ending.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think the ending will get completely scratched, meaning that the god-child/Deus Ex Machina will still be there. And be honest, were you really expecting them to do that? I want the ending changed, for it to make sense. That means, addressing the out of character Shepard, and Joker flying off, and providing closure (real closure). If they can add a bit more spice to the cutscenes before the battle (like showing the elcor or the geth, or really anyone you brought with you do something more) it'd be cool, but mostly, I want it to make sense. 

I don't expect them nor do I want them to change it completely. It would be empty effort, I already played the story before. Completely scratching it because "it's bad" would feel even emptier. That's probably why he tosses in the "artistic integrity" discourse. They won't rewrite Mass Effect 3 for us, that's just not happening. If you can't get past the Deus Ex Machina get ready for some big disappointment. 

And by the way, I disagree on the choice part. The game has a lot of choice right until the end. The fact that you don't see how those choices play it is my problem with it. 

Modifié par Lugaidster, 21 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Voidster]

We need an ending that makes sense.

We need closure, on our crew, our friends and the commander (or his/her future)

We dont need a "happy ending" (we are fighting reapers for petes sake) but many of us would like the "blue children" option or at least something to do with our LI.

Bioware wanted speculation, well you got it, and a bunch of upset players. No matter what label you toss on us. Hold the line, fix the ending. Once its fixed you can call us anything you want, rub it in our faces if thats what you think works. Let IGN troll people, last time i checked they didnt have any effect on my choices of games. If they want to waste that kind of time and resources, have fun.

Hold the line. Dont give up.

[Faunwea]

Eh. I'm sorry, but either way I will believe it (the changes) when I see it.

Hold the line! (with patience and decency!)

[Kataigida]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Oh, you're offended and insulted by them making a concession, and you think they have no right to want to keep the artistic integrity of their own work intact while trying to satisfy people like you. Well, my heart really bleeds for you. *sarcasm to the infinite power*

I believe that the fan feedback is a way of helping to preserve the artistic integrity of the series. Mass Effect 3 got a different writing team (or something to that degree) than the first two got. WIth this being said, there are going to be points where ME3 does not match up with ME2 or ME1.

As for the ending of ME3, there are a few points that ruin the 'artistic integrity' of the game, which I believe is a little different than the artistic integrity of the developers. I am not saying that they are not entitled (le gasp, that word has appeared) to end the series how they want to end it, but I am trying to say that the way in which they have ended the game, goes against the integrity of the series as a whole. That is why fans are in such an uproar.

[Bananables]

i know its been quoted a dozen times but its still the truth...

joe1852 wrote...

what aren't u guys offended by?

[Pheonix57]

Would you rather he hadn't said anything at all?

[alex13abc]

Everwarden wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

what aren't u guys offended by?

A lot of things, actually. A sincere message instead of a pile of PR garbage would have been a start. 

This.

[Helishorn]

Kataigida wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

What are you a virgin? Go get laid and chill out.. God. Offended... And you even put minority in quote marks when the word isn't even in the article, there's not even a word starting with "min".

Just because he did not use the word 'minority' it was implied in parts. But since you are annoyed by that bit, I will go back and change/reword/remove it.

And to answer your question in a civil manner. No, I am not.

"Minority" Let's see.

Global sales of the game as of March 10th = 2,398,027 sold (http://www.vgchartz.com/)

Retake mass effect estimated number =50,000

Percentage of fans voicing their anger at the game = 2%

Regardless of the fact he never said the word I am curious what your definition of minority is and why your think you're not it?

[Lucy Glitter]

This entire movement is devolving into hating against the man for no reason.

I see nothing wrong with what Muzyka said. He was fair.

[CarGryph]

I think I can support what the OP said, although I didn't really feel offended.

Critics are a minority who were paid to review a yet to be released game mostly spoiler-free - which is also symptomatic for not including the ending into their reviews.

Also the integrity of the game as it is could easily be maintained by simply adapting the Indoctrination Theory, because that conclusion jumpstarts AFTER the short Shep breathing scene and could still retain the Stargazer epilogue after giving the game a proper finish.

Hold the Line.

Edit: FYI, I also support what Erik Kain says:

http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/

Modifié par CarGryph, 21 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Lugaidster]

alex13abc wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

what aren't u guys offended by?

A lot of things, actually. A sincere message instead of a pile of PR garbage would have been a start. 

This.

Some people just need to drink a cup of "realistic expectations". The guy won't abandon PR just because the fans want to. If you are offended by PR, you have bigger issues. It's not like the company blew up a nuclear reactor. 

If you can get past the PR and read the message, there's a small but tangible victory right there. The war's not over, not by a long shot, but to be offended by it is being overly sensitive.

[Stanley Woo]

Some inappropriate material removed. This is a reminder that disrespect towards our developers or executives will not be tolerated. You can disagree all you like, you can hate all you like, but if you can't do it with maturity and respect, then you have no place here and will quickly find your posting privileges--and don't mistake me, your participation in this community is a privilege--removed.

Be excellent to each other.

[Vandalisme]

AttaBoyTroy wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

what aren't u guys offended by?

If they're silent, you're offended. If they answer, you're offended because it doesn't say exactly what you want. If you have enough faith in Bioware to STILL be here, then have a little faith they're going to make this right and stop being so damn cynical about everything they post.

If you don't have faith they'll fix it, then why the hell are you still here?

Good point. I think even though we dont say it , we all have hope that somehow news will reach us and we care about the franchise, else we wouldnt be here i think. I think that the dev team will try its very best to please as many as possible however possible, and that we should in fact be patient however hard it is!

[Lugaidster]

Helishorn wrote...

Kataigida wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

What are you a virgin? Go get laid and chill out.. God. Offended... And you even put minority in quote marks when the word isn't even in the article, there's not even a word starting with "min".

Just because he did not use the word 'minority' it was implied in parts. But since you are annoyed by that bit, I will go back and change/reword/remove it.

And to answer your question in a civil manner. No, I am not.

"Minority" Let's see.

Global sales of the game as of March 10th = 2,398,027 sold (http://www.vgchartz.com/)

Retake mass effect estimated number =50,000

Percentage of fans voicing their anger at the game = 2%

Regardless of the fact he never said the word I am curious what your definition of minority is and why your think you're not it?

If you had more than two fingers of brain and actually knew one bit of socilogy you'd realize that there's no direct relation between the fans angry at the endings an the number of sales. For starters, you can't know for sure how many people actually have finished the game, and secondly, you can't know how many don't like it. Silence can add to both parts. There are a few ways to analyze the number none of which is "50000 is 2% so, herp derp, minority".

[cinderburster]

I think we need to stop shouting PR whenever someone at Bioware tries to say something. This letter he wrote says in MORE THAN ONE PLACE that they are addressing the issue. I think Dr. Muzyka is wise enough not to say something he doesn't mean, repeatedly, to be cited all over the internet.

"[...]most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better."

First bolded segment: isn't that what most of the reviews and critiques we fans have been giving have said? Most of the game is excellent, except the last ten minutes?

Second bolded segment: he's admitting that there's room to grow. That's not the admission of a man wrapped up in his own ego that can't see what we're saying. Cut him a little slack, guys.

[Hudathan]

When you make entertainment, it's impossible to please everybody and Bioware knows this just as well as anyone. There have been plenty of reasonable criticisms of the ending to ME3 that Bioware can easily address with time by providing content that would preserve their initial vision while still giving players more closure in the process, which again is all anyone REASONABLE would ever ask of a creator in these circumstances. They are NOT required to please every single person out there who has their own ideas about what constitutes their 'perfect' story because it's obvious by now that there are people who just love to complain simply for the sake of doing it.

[j78]

We have to remember EA was not pleased with the sales of ME2 . ME3 had a huge heap of money behind it to make sure EA got their super mass market AAA C.O.D type block buster success. The doc’s got to please EA , stock holder’s ,fan,s ,media this statement was major on many different levels. We had more then a small victory but we must still be cautions.

[pschill97]

Stan Woo doing his usual thing