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[Aesieru]

BioWare released a product that wasn't even complete or anything like they promised by interviews and advertisements.

[safrrr]

there are three endings. a red explosion that blows up the reapers, the stargates, and any last hope for civilizations to be in space as it destroys all technologie.
a blue explosion that makes you control the reapers, blow up the stargate and therefor any last hope for civilizations to be near their homeworld anytime quick with the exeption for the quarians and their migrant fleet who wandered arround the galaxy for 2000 years.
then there is a green explosion that makes the reapers leave (maybe they dont like the color green or think its so evil, time to safe our own asses instead of the ones of mankind by destroying them over and over rather than waiting a cycle and see how it goes) destroys the mass relays and therefor making everyone but the quarians find their way home.

[Fidget6]

BigNastE wrote...

I am for a free epilogue download that details the results of all your choices just like Dragon Age.

This is what I'd like as well. I don't want them to change anything, but an epilogue with a bit more closure would be nice. I wonder if fans would still be so upset if we got one? 

[BigNastE]

What would you guys think of Dragon Age style epilogues. It would be a sweet, inexpensive, time efficient way to do it I think.

Modifié par BigNastE, 21 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Salis777]

naughty99 wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

we don't want a different ending, we want one that makes sense, but that ship is long gone

The synthesis ending made sense to me.

It might have been improved a bit with a couple more scenes showing the result of your choices along the way, but it was better than the endings of a lot of other games.

It made the most sense of the 3 (17?) endings, which isn't saying much.  But no epilogue is really un-Bioware in a single game, never mind a trilogy.  It just seems easy to fix/improve to me, and I think we'll see that but it takes time to get the gears turning. 

Still not sure why they are trying to defend it though, it's nowhere near the standard people are used to from them.  Hurt feelings aside, it's time for them to man up!

[BigNastE]

Fidget6 could we get a post started with a poll. This may be helpful and I think this would appeal to everyone.

[Tazzmission]

Salis777 wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

we don't want a different ending, we want one that makes sense, but that ship is long gone

The synthesis ending made sense to me.

It might have been improved a bit with a couple more scenes showing the result of your choices along the way, but it was better than the endings of a lot of other games.

Still not sure why they are trying to defend it though, it's nowhere near the standard people are used to from them.  Hurt feelings aside, it's time for them to man up!

or maybe its time fans moved on and accept new ideas without always sticking to what they already know and assume will be similar

[Aesieru]

Fidget6 wrote...

BigNastE wrote...

I am for a free epilogue download that details the results of all your choices just like Dragon Age.

This is what I'd like as well. I don't want them to change anything, but an epilogue with a bit more closure would be nice. I wonder if fans would still be so upset if we got one? 

Assets don't matter, your forces and fleet are replaced by a generic type that dies miserably, doesn't use the technology advances established in the series and can't even check their own firing solutions.

That needs to be fixed majorly or the game is incomplete and false advertisement, granted it will still have a lot of false advertisement if it doesn't.

The FTC doesn't just investigate everything, they only do things that are reasonable and they've confirmed they are INVESTIGATING BioWare's recent product called "Mass Effect 3", an electronic-entertainment medium with substantial promises in interviews and advertisement mediums.

[PaulSX]

He should be, because he might also be hold by his audience against his will.

[naughty99]

daftPirate wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

"If computer games are art than I fully endorse the author of the artwork to have a statement about what they believe should happen," Barnett said. "Just as J.K. Rowling can end her books and say that is the end of Harry Potter. I don't think she should be forced to make another one."

if J.K. Rowling ended her series by blwing up Harry Potter, the outrage would be the same if not worse.

Perhaps, but regardless of fan reaction, JK Rowling is not going to rewrite the ending of a book that has already been published.

And Spielberg is not going to go out and re-shoot the ending of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, etc.

The existing ME3 ending is already out there, the game has already been released. Are you guys hoping to use some kind of mental gymnastics to pretend that the ending you already played didn't happen? 

Modifié par naughty99, 21 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Dridengx wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

TheChosen0ne wrote...

The dude should be saddened because all true fans were saddened by the disgusting ending

 im a true fan and i agree with the man in the article


you dont speak for me when you say all mass effect fans feel the same as you do


i seriously am getting annoyed you think every fan agrees

This

+1


Plus,the dude is right.

[whiteraider]

I cannot help myself laughing at this, most authors submit their work to an editor, who sometimes hacks sections out, suggests possible expansion or clarification on some characters/plot/plotholes and the overall polish of the work.
Also many well known authors tinkered with their stories for most of their lifetime, to the extent that serveral editions of a book are revised (The Hobbit) or never released in the authors lifetime!
(Tolkien/Frank Herbert)

Writing a game that gets your customers mad at you doesnt make any sense! Making them think about an idea is one thing, if that idea is well thought through and consistant!

Bioware can make their own choice about what they do, but, for me, some of those choices will heavily weigh my descisions on any future purchases from them or EA.

And I'm a Bioware fan, have been since Baldur's Gate, but the last few games have not been up to the extremely high standard that Bioware have lived up to until then.

Modifié par whiteraider, 21 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[sistersafetypin]

Also, Ken Levine hates cut scenes... He wouldn't have liked ME3 anyway

[bushes289]

The problem with his opinion about bioware changing the endings will disappoint fans is that Fallout 3's DLC Broken Steel has already proven him completely and utterly wrong.

Also Harry Potter is a book not a video game, you cannot compare them.

Modifié par bushes289, 21 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[Rockworm503]

Tazzmission wrote...


both sides insult eachother it isnt just the we like ending crowd

we try to have a civil convorsation until a pro take back me poster comes in and hijacks it

they even spam the hell out of areas of the furms where it dosent belong

you ask me there looking for a fight

my attitude is if your gona pick a fight you better be ready to get hit and hit hard because they started the situation not us

I don't care what side your on.
If you're here to start something than you don't belong here.
Anyone "looking for a fight" just demeans whatever side their on and you don't need to hit back because this is a forum not a WWE ring 

[Rockworm503]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Also, Ken Levine hates cut scenes... He wouldn't have liked ME3 anyway

Indeed thats part of why I like him.  He's proving you don't need them to have a good story in your game.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 21 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[Voidlight]

The Harry Potter analogy would work if the books were interactive stories that depended on the reader's moral choices.

They're not.

Modifié par Voidlight, 21 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[SmellyMetal]

Well, for myself I'm "saddened" by Ken Levine, because he always seemed to care about great narration and good stories in games. How can he possibly endorse this mess of a trilogy conclusion??? And all the false advertising, lies we were fed etc. I'm sick of the video game industry right now

Modifié par SmellyMetal, 21 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[daftPirate]

naughty99 wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

"If computer games are art than I fully endorse the author of the artwork to have a statement about what they believe should happen," Barnett said. "Just as J.K. Rowling can end her books and say that is the end of Harry Potter. I don't think she should be forced to make another one."

if J.K. Rowling ended her series by blowing up Harry Potter, the outrage would be the same if not worse.

Perhaps, but regardless of fan reaction, JK Rowling is not going to rewrite the ending of a book that has already been published.

And Spielberg is not going to go out and re-shoot the ending of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, etc.

The existing ME3 ending is already out there, the game has already been released. Are you guys hoping to use some kind of mental gymnastics to pretend that the ending you already played didn't happen? 

You'd be surprised. I think people have already cited Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes ending, which was changed due to public outcry. Heck, a VERY recent Mass Effect Novel is being changed in future editions because of the fan outcry. Maybe I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the majority of ME fans read the novels. Spielberg isn't the best example because Indiana Jones isn't something people really get invested in. All the Movement damage has been done, BioWare are addressing the ending, changing their story to accomodate fans. People should start showing some respect now, instead of acting like they need to be signed on as heads of the project.

Either way, naughty99 has a good point. You're never gonna unsee that first ending.

[Tazzmission]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


both sides insult eachother it isnt just the we like ending crowd

we try to have a civil convorsation until a pro take back me poster comes in and hijacks it

they even spam the hell out of areas of the furms where it dosent belong

you ask me there looking for a fight

my attitude is if your gona pick a fight you better be ready to get hit and hit hard because they started the situation not us

I don't care what side your on.
If you're here to start something than you don't belong here.
Anyone "looking for a fight" just demeans whatever side their on and you don't need to hit back because this is a forum not a WWE ring 

hey the only reason why im even involved in the first place is because when i see someone post saying they speak for me im going to address it. if they dont like it tough because they opened that door to be see whats on the other side

i can care less how people feel on the ending but i do find it very annoying people spam the heck out of the forums everywhere because they cant grow a pair and act like civil adults


i also find it insulting as a gamer that these people will say im a mark for bioware when they dont even know the first thing about me

why should my opinion on what i like matter to them? and who are they to tell me im wrong for how i feel my money was spent on?

i admit at times i would just love to slap each one of them because they think they can talk to other posters the same way they do the devs and expect us to take it

well guess what im not that nice enough to let anyone go out of there way and basicly insult me

Modifié par Tazzmission, 21 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[Salis777]

Tazzmission wrote...

or maybe its time fans moved on and accept new ideas without always sticking to what they already know and assume will be similar

That being your opinion, but thats not what is happening.  Execs are dealing with facts, and the facts are that people are unhappy and want more.

[TheBlackBaron]

Wise man, Ken Levine.

[WizenSlinky0]

I can understand his concerns and I agree that this could be a massive turning point in the industry. It could set a very dangerous precedent. However, the idea that a choice based game could ever be considered a single definitive artwork boggles my mind. You think the developers agree with every choice they give you? Of course not. So, he is basically saying that those choices are crafted without love or attention. I think, regardless of our opinions on that, Bioware would dispute that.

In a choice based game each branch, each potential movement through the story, is its own unique experience. You cannot experience all of them in one play through. In that way each would be considered a separate, individual piece of art. It's like if an artist made 10 paintings. You start with one painting and have to choose which one to view next out of two (never getting to see the second one).

When you reach the end your experience, the way you piece together the paintings under a "theme" will differ depending on which path you took. Each experience is unique.

Therefore, adding new "unique" experiences or endings in this case cannot possibly detract from the original unless Bioware took the unprecedented step of bypassing their original ending COMPLETELY.

[daftPirate]

Voidlight wrote...

The Harry Potter analogy would work if the books were interactive stories that depended on the reader's moral choices.

They're not.

 

What matters is really the degree to which people have involved themselves in that universe. Interactivity is a large part of ME/BioWare's stories, and adds to the player immersion, while Rowlings story has simply had a very long time to involve people in its story. Interactivity, though, is not the only way to become heavily invested in something, whether it be just your time or your very emotions.

Modifié par daftPirate, 21 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[Salis777]

daftPirate wrote...

You'd be surprised. I think people have already cited Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes ending, which was changed due to public outcry. Heck, a VERY recent Mass Effect Novel is being changed in future editions because of the fan outcry. Maybe I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the majority of ME fans read the novels. Spielberg isn't the best example because Indiana Jones isn't something people really get invested in. All the Movement damage has been done, BioWare are addressing the ending, changing their story to accomodate fans. People should start showing some respect now, instead of acting like they need to be signed on as heads of the project.

Either way, naughty99 has a good point. You're never gonna unsee that first ending.

Another major point to remember is, re-writing a book and printing 100,000 copies is a huge endevour.  Same with changing a movie.  Issuing additional content for game with a PRE-EXISTING DLC system, is cake.  Completely different situations. 

And yeah you're never going to unsee that first ending, but at least there'd be a point to play the damned series again lol.