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[Fulgrim88]

gecko360 wrote...

We need these promises on the front page of Bioware.com for all to see

Even though they were happy to shout all of these quotes out to the world even weeks before release,
I somehow doubt that they'd be happy to see them on their frontpage now

[wotmaniac]

They have to see we remember what they said because we love the game so much. Its not just because we got excited over a feature, we were looking forward to seeing those parts of the story play out.

Also people who don't see our reasons for being dissapointed with the ending (for the record, I liked the idea of the endings, however execution was...horrible), these broken promises are one of many reasons. These are not gameplay features which got canned cause of lack of resources, these are storyline features which got canned for what? time, laziness? lack of ideas?

It would have been better for them to just say: "You'll see at the end" and kept their mouth shut.

maybe they release some as DLC (want rachni!)....

Modifié par wotmaniac, 28 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[improperdancing]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

gecko360 wrote...

We need these promises on the front page of Bioware.com for all to see

Even though they were happy to shout all of these quotes out to the world even weeks before release,
I somehow doubt that they'd be happy to see them on their frontpage now

That's what happens when you break almost every promise you made prior to a game's release.  It's easier to ignore the fact that you made all those promises than it is to own up to your dishonesty.

[Rickin10]

The sheer magnitude of deception is quite breathtaking when you lay all those quotes out. You have to wonder how these same people who spout 'artistic integrity' can even look themselves in the mirror.

I also wonder if any gaming 'journalists' will ask them to respond to these promises.

[zarnk567]

(sigh) well.... Now I'm mad again.

[improperdancing]

Rickin10 wrote...

The sheer magnitude of deception is quite breathtaking when you lay all those quotes out. You have to wonder how these same people who spout 'artistic integrity' can even look themselves in the mirror.

I also wonder if any gaming 'journalists' will ask them to respond to these promises.

Doubtful.

The problem with gaming journalism is that 90% of the major sites receive most of their ad revenue from the big publishers like EA.  It doesn't benefit them to hit the developers those publishers own with the tough questions.  It's the same reason you're seeing so many gaming journalists being very condescending toward the Retake Mass Effect movement and the general anger over the endings.

Even if those journalists might agree with us, it's unlikely they'll put their jobs on the line by making BioWare look bad, and that's assuming any article they wrote on this issue would get published at all on any of the major sites.

Modifié par improperdancing, 29 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[LT21Titans27]

Its mind boggling to think all these are direct quotes from people working on the game, knowing they had their mark on the endings. What would possess you to push something out like this after saying the things they have said

[improperdancing]

LT21Titans27 wrote...

Its mind boggling to think all these are direct quotes from people working on the game, knowing they had their mark on the endings. What would possess you to push something out like this after saying the things they have said

I can't imagine everyone who worked on this game was happy with how the ending turned out.  If they were, BioWare has much bigger problems than we previously imagined.

The problem is, sticking your neck out in the videogame business is a great way to get your head chopped off.  No one will talk about this until they are safely working elsewhere.

[Lord Irvine]

Bioware has lost a lot of trust from many of us consumers. The fact they say they had no idea what they were going to do made that worse. You sold us an incomplete game just to meet a deadline?

[improperdancing]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Bioware has lost a lot of trust from many of us consumers. The fact they say they had no idea what they were going to do made that worse. You sold us an incomplete game just to meet a deadline?

It's going to begin affecting their business if they don't start responding to some of our very legitimate criticisms.

[Avalon Aurora]

Bioware should un-lie themselves and make these all true about the game. Hold the line!

Modifié par Avalon Aurora, 29 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[Szuli]

Thank you for collecting all those quotes and putting them up. These promises are why I just don't understand how BioWare can act all surprised and hurt by the fans' reaction to the ending. Did they seriously think that after making these promises fans would not mind the kind of ending they got? I pre-ordered the CE because I expected a fitting ending to Shepard's story based on the earlier games and these promises. One thing I learned from all this is never to do that again. Next time I will wait for actual gamers' reviews before buying a game.

I do think that some of the ending ideas are interesting (not considering the plot holes), but those should have been just 3 possible endings among the many. The fact that we got basically the same outcome no matter what might mean that they had some plan for what happens afterwards. Either as a DLC or a new game. But if that is the case, that was a huge risk to take and so far it doesn't seem that it was such a good idea. If there is a free DLC with better endings (they can keep these possible endings, too, I don't care, but give us some good endings also), that might placate a lot of us, though I don't know how long it would take for BW to get the trust of the fans back (if ever). If they charge for an ending DLC, that would not be fair to the fans who paid for an unfinished game. If the DLC was only about "clarifying" their ending, that would not be very satisfying either.

It's also possible that they just ran out of time and/or ideas in the end. I wish they had devoted the time and resources they spent on the multiplayer on the actual game instead. (They could have made a separate multiplayer game.) I think a lot of us would have loved to see all those allies we united in the final battle. And I think a lot of us would have liked to see Shepard and his/her allies triumph in the end (at least in one ending!) and to see the continuation of the ME universe with the different races rebuilding, finally getting along, etc. The ending we got means the destruction of the wonderful ME universe as we knew it, and that's very sad.

[Helmschmied]

All I have to say is this:
Todd Howard would be proud.

[zarnk567]

Helmschmied wrote...

All I have to say is this:
Todd Howard would be proud.

I think you mean Peter Molyneux would be proud

[improperdancing]

zarnk567 wrote...

Helmschmied wrote...

All I have to say is this:
Todd Howard would be proud.

I think you mean Peter Molyneux would be proud

I'm sure he would.  He's the king of videogame broken promises.  Maybe when he left EA he took a mentor position at BioWare.

[AntonioA9011]

Cyruge wrote...

The amount of lies almost makes me cry.

^^^^This 100%

[Lord Irvine]

zarnk567 wrote...

Helmschmied wrote...

All I have to say is this:
Todd Howard would be proud.

I think you mean Peter Molyneux would be proud

The Black & White games and the Fable series were good games. 

[frostajulie]

The ABC quote gets me the hardest followed by the "1 bespoke ending" quote. Its like a double whammy to my face if I was a guy a double whammy to my junk.

these are the lies that keep me raging.

[zarnk567]

Lord Irvine wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

Helmschmied wrote...

All I have to say is this:
Todd Howard would be proud.

I think you mean Peter Molyneux would be proud

The Black & White games and the Fable series were good games. 

Yes they are good, It's Just Molyneux always made promises he never kept in interviews and hyped the games to oblivion. But I never really hated the guy for it, I think he did try and at least the things he lied about were not major things gamewise

[CELL55]

Wow. Just wow. That's, uh, that's an awful lot.

[Menalaos1971]

improperdancing wrote...
It's actually really impressive how basically none of that is true.

Yep.  Just a great big stream of bold faced lies from Bioware since ME1, really.

improperdancing wrote...
And I realize that BioWare has just announced that a new ending was coming to Mass Effect 3, but as of yet details are scarce and the fact that they didn't already announce it was free is a bit foreboding, so I think all of the above still apply.

This is NOT true.  Dr. Muzyka has announced that they are looking at options to "clarify" the existing ending, and that they won't make an announcement until April.  Some think that means at PAX, but I doubt it will be that early in April.

[improperdancing]

CELL55 wrote...

Wow. Just wow. That's, uh, that's an awful lot.

Yeah, it's a lot to take in at once, especially after you've finished Mass Effect 3 and realized so much of it was completely false.

[Louis deGuerre]

Bump for great justice.

At least their artistic integrity is still intact trololol

[Carlthestrange]

Lets face it. If EA gave Bioware the time they needed to perfect this game, it would still only be about halfway through production.

[shnellegaming]

holy cow