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[Jackal7713]

Cyruge wrote...

The amount of lies almost makes me cry.

How are they not liable for false advertising?

[Carlthestrange]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Cyruge wrote...

The amount of lies almost makes me cry.

How are they not liable for false advertising?

Because their legal department is larger than the game development branch.

[xcomcmdr]

zarnk567 wrote...

(sigh) well.... Now I'm mad again.

[Jackal7713]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Cyruge wrote...

The amount of lies almost makes me cry.

How are they not liable for false advertising?

Because their legal department is larger than the game development branch.

Great so they lie and then hide behind a lawyer saying "its art. Tell them its art." What a bunch of "expletive deleted's."

[Carlthestrange]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Great so they lie and then hide behind a lawyer saying "its art. Tell them its art." What a bunch of "expletive deleted's."

Say hello to modern business. If you're rich enough, nothing can touch you.

[bearded prodigy]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Lets face it. If EA gave Bioware the time they needed to perfect this game, it would still only be about halfway through production.

i would have waited another year to get a better ending.

[Carlthestrange]

bearded prodigy wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Lets face it. If EA gave Bioware the time they needed to perfect this game, it would still only be about halfway through production.

i would have waited another year to get a better ending.

So would I.

[improperdancing]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Lets face it. If EA gave Bioware the time they needed to perfect this game, it would still only be about halfway through production.

There's a difference between releasing a perfect product (which isn't possible) and releasing a product that conforms to the expectations you spent quite a bit of time building up.

No one expected Mass Effect 3 to be perfect.  Neither of the first two games were perfect.  We did expect it to deliver what was promised.

[SovereignX6]

So many liesss.

[RafaelBRms]

And now, i am really pissed, god*****it

[SolidisusSnake1]

Don;t forget about Twitter lies.

From CaseyHudson

@N1ghtcrys How many choices in #ME3 ? Wow, we will need to count after we're done, but a lot. The endings alone branch out like crazy. 8:08 PM May 12th, 2011 from Twitter for iPad

[improperdancing]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

Don;t forget about Twitter lies.

From CaseyHudson

@N1ghtcrys How many choices in #ME3 ? Wow, we will need to count after we're done, but a lot. The endings alone branch out like crazy. 8:08 PM May 12th, 2011 from Twitter for iPad

I believe the answer is three, good sir.

[Kath]

Seeing the lies laid out like this makes the ending just that much worse. :/

[PrinceLionheart]

Katherine wrote...

Seeing the lies laid out like this makes the ending just that much worse. :/

I do have to ask though, how is it that people who hate the ending are entitled for wanting the ending Bioware promised.

[improperdancing]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Katherine wrote...

Seeing the lies laid out like this makes the ending just that much worse. :/

I do have to ask though, how is it that people who hate the ending are entitled for wanting the ending Bioware promised.

Space magic.

[Lookout1390]

Bump for you, OP.

[FataliTensei]

improperdancing wrote...

I think that what BioWare and the minority of fans who liked the ending need to realize is: THIS is why we are angry. We were promised something for months by BioWare and they completely and utterly failed to deliver on those promises. As a result, the fans felt betrayed.

As I said in another topic, trust is difficult to gain but easy to lose. BioWare built our trust over the past decade and a half by releasing plenty of great games, most recently Knights of the Old Republic and the original Mass Effect.

However, between Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3 (and apparently The Old Rebublic, although I can't speak to that one personally as I have no interest in MMOs), day-one DLC, and obviously rushed products, they are quickly losing all of the trust and good will that they garnered from us over the years.

That this trust began to erode after the acquisition of BioWare by EA is beside the point. I don't care who owns the company. All I care about is the quality of the games, and that quality seems to be going downhill.

I loved Mass Effect 2. It stripped away some of the RPG elements from the first game, but I was totally willing to forgive it that because the gameplay was so much more fun and fluid. And while the story wasn't quite as powerful as the one in the first game, the world felt so much bigger and more realized. The sidequests weren't just the same rooms over and over again cut and pasted, but instead were each fully realized. And, of course, the party members and their individual quests were spectacular.

Which brings us to Mass Effect 3. Up until Priority: Earth, the main quest did everything right. It was everything else that felt like it was lacking quality. There were only a handful of actual sidequests, each of which inexplicably brought back a character from Mass Effect 2. The party size was drastically reduced, leaving you with only about five people to choose from (and you could pretty much remove Vega since he was an awful character). The multi-player maps were cheaply re-used as out-of-place single-player missions with obviously strange level design. And the OCD scanning from ME2 was replaced with boring fetch quests that didn't really make a whole lot of sense. Really, the only positive note aside from the main quest was the combat, which was a step above that offered in ME2, which was already very good.

Basically, the main plot aside, the game felt incredibly rushed. I know the main focus is on the ending, and rightfully so, but I think that the other problems with the game need to quit being overlooked.

And as such, BioWare is quickly losing my trust. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another title from them, and that's a shame, as prior to the releases of Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3 they were one of my favorite developers. And it's truly sad to see another once-great developer cave in to nickle-and-diming their customers to the point of oblivion.

But hey, at least we've still got Valve (for now).

Marry me<3

[Kath]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Katherine wrote...

Seeing the lies laid out like this makes the ending just that much worse. :/

I do have to ask though, how is it that people who hate the ending are entitled for wanting the ending Bioware promised.

I know, right? They failed to deliver on their promises, and somehow WE are the wrong ones? It's madness.

[Oilking72]

Broken promises? More like broken record. Haven't we seen a hundred of these threads already? One slips off of the front page so lets make another one.

[bkp360]

Don't you know we are just a small vocal minority and 'the rest of the universe' loved the ending. The artistic integrity of the 'Star Child' and the just brilliant twist of the synthetics killing organics to keep synthetics from killing organics.

We (the poor unwashed masses) are just to stupid to realize these aren't lies. They are, ummmm, they're, ummmmm Oh who am I kidding it's a bunch of lies.

+1 for keeping this front and center. Keep this post on pages one baby

xxoo
The small vocal minority (or quite possible the large vocal majority)

[Bloodhound66]

JUSTICE BUMP!

[Element Zero]

I've copied and saved the OP, in case of deletion.

The saddest part is that I felt no doubt, before launch, that they'd deliver on these promises. Their track record with this series was so good.

I don't know what happened, but they didn't just let us down, they let themselves down. Bioware should be disappointed in themselves. ME3 was solid, minus the endings, but falls way short on all these promises, and far short of its potential.

Someday, down the road, I'd like to hear honest words from an insider on the team. (They can't talk now, of course.) There had to be dissenting voices amongst such an amazing assemblage of talent. It's incomprehensible that all of them would've supported the choices made.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 30 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[Element Zero]

From CaseyHudson

@N1ghtcrys How many choices in #ME3 ? Wow, we will need to count after we're done, but a lot. The endings alone branch out like crazy. 8:08 PM May 12th, 2011 from Twitter for 

I still struggle to wrap my mind around this crap. He knew it was BS as it left his mouth. I don't know when this comment was made (edit May 2011), but many similar comments were very recent. Were they describing the game they hoped to make? Did something happen in the eleventh hour to derail the ending (its quality suggests a resounding yes).

I hope, someday, Casey in particular will openly address this stuff. Right now, he (but not only he) looks really bad. I can't imagine anyone would be crazy enough to just flat out lie on the level he's being accused. Where's the pay off? What really happened to all of these promises?

EDIT: iPhone post fail.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 30 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[cutegigi]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Katherine wrote...

Seeing the lies laid out like this makes the ending just that much worse. :/

I do have to ask though, how is it that people who hate the ending are entitled for wanting the ending Bioware promised.

hummm....
1/10

[improperdancing]

Oilking72 wrote...

Broken promises? More like broken record. Haven't we seen a hundred of these threads already? One slips off of the front page so lets make another one.

I made this eight days ago.