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[Voidster]

Patience is something you must have for any developer to fix something. It happened in fallout, it can happen here. Dont feed the trolls, keep the attitude and temper in check. It will take time.

Hold the line, remain positive. People will troll, let it go. Arguing with said types does nothing for Bioware or the movement.

[John Epler]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Why not just come out and say that nothing will be announced until PAX East? This typical Bioware PR vagueness and denial is doing nothing but pissing people off. Oh and the lie filled post by Jarett about MP not being required is effectively a salt box taped over an open wound.

Poor thing. Do you want mommy to kiss that booboo?

This is entirely inappropriate. If you can't be respectful, then don't post.

One and only warning.

[beefghost]

I actually haven't seen many personal attacks. Some, but not many. Where are they, exactly?

[recentio]

Totally agree, OP. Attacking BW is disgraceful.

[Aerevane]

VegaMendoza wrote...

If you want to see an honest response, look at Bethesda's response to FO3...

Which took them months to make and was not the first in their list of priority. There's no 'enemy' in this scenario, old boy. This isn't a battle and nor ought it be. It's a consumer / developer conflict that we'll see how will resort by petitioning and by being expressive in our grievances with the product.

Please, be more thoughtful about the issue and give up on idle anger - fuel that rather with the intent to express what you want them to do, rather than shouting about how '****' they are.

No, this is not correct. Only by polarizing and forcing the issue, can we achieve something. They're trying to pacify us, but we should not be pacified. The moment they succeed in pacifying us, is the moment this movement will die and be blown apart like dust in the wind.

Modifié par Aerevane, 21 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[SidNitzerglobin]

VegaMendoza wrote...

If you want to see an honest response, look at Bethesda's response to FO3...

Which took them months to make and was not the first in their list of priority. There's no 'enemy' in this scenario, old boy. This isn't a battle and nor ought it be. It's a consumer / developer conflict that we'll see how will resort by petitioning and by being expressive in our grievances with the product.

Please, be more thoughtful about the issue and give up on idle anger - fuel that rather with the intent to express what you want them to do, rather than shouting about how '****' they are.

That's kinda why I find the whole "Hold the line!" thing as supremely bad messaging if you actually want to have your concerns addressed.  Yeah, it's a cute referrence to Kirrhae's speech, but it sets this up as a war and locks you into a rigid and adversarial relationship w/ the devs which is not really conducive to expressing the issues we have w/ the endings or having BioWare be able to hear them over the inevitable attacks.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 21 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[DOYOURLABS]

People need to calm down, I don't get why people are even angry. Ray basically said we are getting what we wanted. I hope the media knows the angry personal attacks come from a very small splinter group of the movement.

[Timforsgren]

I'm more so furious on these people. So damn unrespectful and spoiled to attack Bioware's employees personally because you're pissed off by the ending. Hate it. Don't they get that it only lowers our chances for change? And remember all the joy that Bioware brought us, god I could go on and on.

[Anima3x3]

I'm losing faith in the line.. what happened to the solidarity and unity? Weren't we supposed to be constructive and civil?

We were never the bunch of whiny, entitled fanboy/girls that the media made us out to be before Ray's statements. Now I'm not so sure.

[Andur4]

Sure recent news has my hopes hanging by a thread, but I'm staying civil. Just sitting tight, holding the line.

[John Epler]

Aerevane wrote...

VegaMendoza wrote...

If you want to see an honest response, look at Bethesda's response to FO3...

Which took them months to make and was not the first in their list of priority. There's no 'enemy' in this scenario, old boy. This isn't a battle and nor ought it be. It's a consumer / developer conflict that we'll see how will resort by petitioning and by being expressive in our grievances with the product.

Please, be more thoughtful about the issue and give up on idle anger - fuel that rather with the intent to express what you want them to do, rather than shouting about how '****' they are.

No, this is not correct. Only by polarizing and forcing the issue, can we achieve something. They're trying to pacify us, but we should not be pacified. The moment they succeed in pacifying us, is the moment this movement will die and be blown apart like dust in the wind.

Here's the thing. I can't speak for the ME team, but I can tell you that the criticism we were the most receptive to following DA2's launch was the criticism presented in a constructive fashion. Soon as the personal insults and vitriol comes out, we're far more likely to ignore what's being said. Tone matters. 

We're not trying to pacify anyone, but we -are- asking that people remain respectful, towards each other and towards the developers. This is not new. This is something we've asked for since the beginning. Those who aren't able to follow the rules will not be participating in the forums anymore. That goes for both sides of the argument.

[Maugrim]

I'm going to slightly rework something I posted on the retake ME3 a few days ago

Now that we've been given a relatively positive if vague response from Bioware about fixing ME3's ending issue I know most of us have much to say about it and anyone needs to vent I suggest taking it to another forum or a private goup so we can stay focused here. If you see someone causing problems do not engage them and ignore. If they continute don't just hit the report button.

Personally what I do is PM the unholy trinity of smackdown Chris Priestly, John Epler and Stanley Woo. Briefly summarize the issue, give a link the the person's profile page and the page of the thread of the page they started causing problems on.

Hold the line!

[sniperhobbit]

I played on ps3 so I couldnt hold the line

[FellishBeast]

John Epler wrote...

For what it's worth, we understand that the hostility and vitriol are from an (extremely) vocal minority. As with any such situation, there are those who take it too far, but it isn't reflective of the group as a whole.

[Nykara]

Verkir wrote...

John Epler wrote...

For what it's worth, we understand that the hostility and vitriol are from an (extremely) vocal minority. As with any such situation, there are those who take it too far, but it isn't reflective of the group as a whole.

You did not just call us a minority.

I know you didn't.

vocal doesn't mean just typing in all caps on this fourm.

Go look at your games user ratings on amazon etc. They are plummeting through the floor. The game is already on sale, its being fully refunded on origin. Don't you dare call us a minority. That makes light of the issue and makes it something you can sweep under the carpet.

And yes I am mad and insulted at the same time.

Seriously he is talking about the minority who are being rude. Attacking Bioware staff and such. Not those who are speaking out about the ending and offereing constructive critisism. The ones who are taking it toooo far are the vocal minority not those who are not happy with the ending.

[adidaz]

I agree with this, we asked for an answer and they made an announcement that they will address the issues in April.

It will not make things any better by berating Bioware in the nasty manner that has been showing up on here more often lately.

Continue to throw your creative passion into these ideas & suggestions, but until April, that's all we can do is play the waiting game and continue with our 'consrtructive criticism'.

[Vasparian]

None of this really even matters anymore. They are not going to fix anything. Just best to let it all go.

[Rencor2k]

recentio wrote...

Totally agree, OP. Attacking BW is disgraceful.

agree. sadly many people lack manners and/or arent old enough to understand it. but thats how it is all over the world.

[sniperhobbit]

Personaly I dount want bioware to change the ending but just carry on with shepard wakeing up

[Ironhandjustice]

John Epler wrote...

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Why not just come out and say that nothing will be announced until PAX East? This typical Bioware PR vagueness and denial is doing nothing but pissing people off. Oh and the lie filled post by Jarett about MP not being required is effectively a salt box taped over an open wound.

Poor thing. Do you want mommy to kiss that booboo?

This is entirely inappropriate. If you can't be respectful, then don't post.

One and only warning.

You are right.

PLEASE CALM DOWN. We are suppose to be civilizated people.

What do you think Sheppard will do? Fight for the right thing, but not as the illusive man does.

The end does not justify the method!!!

For Bioware John Epler:

And one thing, please. could be possible to make some kind of poll for change the ending?

I mean, there are lots of awesome endings and they are been teared appart because of this flames...

The suggestions are open, but, there will be some kind of 'official' poll for ideas?

[Leem_0001]

John Epler wrote...

Verkir wrote...

John Epler wrote...

For what it's worth, we understand that the hostility and vitriol are from an (extremely) vocal minority. As with any such situation, there are those who take it too far, but it isn't reflective of the group as a whole.

You did not just call us a minority.

I know you didn't.

vocal doesn't mean just typing in all caps on this fourm.

Go look at your games user ratings on amazon etc. They are plummeting through the floor. The game is already on sale, its being fully refunded on origin. Don't you dare call us a minority. That makes light of the issue and makes it something you can sweep under the carpet.

And yes I am mad and insulted at the same time.

You may want to re-read what I said. Are you one of the people making personal attacks and throwing around vitriol? No? Then you aren't part of the 'minority'.

I never referred to the movement as a minority, just those who are taking it too far. Simmer down.

John, your comments here are appreciated. While I have launched no personal attacks I have been vocal about what I thought of the endings. Things do need to be kept cordial, I agree - and at the same time we need to keep our voices heard. And I think the reason for this is the only thing Bioware seems to throw back is a bunch of PR speak and 'but look at the critics' statements.

It's no secret that a lot of gamers don't trust game critics anymore - whether they have reason to is up for debate. It may have been intended to give a more balanced view - but you just need to take a look at the forums, the user reviews, and the polls all over the internet to see we are the vocal majority in this case.

A lot of it COULD be seen as condisending. Whether it was intended that way, again, up for debate and I will give Bioware the benefit of the doubt.

How about a comment from Bioware addressing some specific problems that have been listed over and over? Lack of choice in ending, no variety in outcomes, a new plot device (Child AI) thrown in at last minute, the current ending not really making a lot of sense, past decidions not visibly making much difference.

You asked for specifics and they have been given. In fact now it is constant repeating of that and that may be why fans are getting angry. Specific constructive critisism was given, but in the following statements they were ignored and it was painted like 'we wanted more time to say good bye to our stories'. And this simply isn't the case. Hence the reason for things getting louder, so to speak.

Things must be cordial, again I agree. And people from our side, myself included, need to take a breath. But how about more transparent discussion from you side, actually responding to the specific points raised?

Things like that would be most appreciated and would fast turn this current squabbling into a sensible discussion.

Thanks

Modifié par Leem_0001, 21 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[NekOoNinja]

Calm down and do calibrations. That's what Garrus would do.

[The Divine Avenger]

yeah but we have the newcomers to think about there are still people playing the game, some of them may just have finished ME3 & this is just there initial rage. hopefully they will get a clue & calm down a little then join us in the retake mass effect movement.

[Balmung31]

NekOoNinja wrote...

Calm down and do calibrations. That's what Garrus would do.

These days, it's "speculations", I'm afraid. 

[aj2070]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

People need to calm down, I don't get why people are even angry. Ray basically said we are getting what we wanted. I hope the media knows the angry personal attacks come from a very small splinter group of the movement.

First, not angry.  However I disagree that "Ray said we are getting what we wanted".  I have read enough press releases to recognize a non-statement.  This is a non-statement with a wait until April.

With that said, I am very skeptically willing to wait until April.