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Am I literally the only one who thinks the theme of the ending was fine??


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kelsjet

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I mean, seriously, things are kind of getting out of hand.

With Dr. Muzyka's letter today, it seems the whole "the ending was bad" thing is much bigger than I initially thought. At first I wrote it off as just a few people on the forums doing what BSN forums do nowadays, that being, b!tch and moan about absolutely everything and anything that they can. But with the letter, it seems the issue is much bigger then I previously thought.


Now, don't get me wrong, there are things wrong with ME3, even the ending, especially from a 'presentation' standpoint. However, I honestly believe that the actual content of the ending, i.e. the point being made and the potential outcomes we have (given the world of Mass Effect that was presented to us over these past many years), are perfectly consistent.

In short, the ending, as a plot point, makes perfect sense to me. Obviously, this is a non-spoiler forum, so if there is any point you wish for me to elaborate on (i.e. if there is something about the main concept behind the ending(s) that you do not understand) I will be more than happy to explain it to you (at least, as I see it) through PMs. But overall, the ending actually makes a ton of sense.

Again, I am not saying that ME3 is 'perfect'. There are many things that can be improved upon in the game from on many levels. Things ranging from mechanics to presentation (UI) even story, but the ending isn't a giant force of inconsistency that people are making it out to be. It fits in the universe that was created for the game(s), imho.

Sure, we could have had more choice in a few things. Sure, there need to be better resolutions to a few characters and sure, it is questionable the new direction Bioware has gone with their games, but none of this stuff warrents the complete explosion of outrage that people are having.


The best part is, I have spent a lot of time over these past few days trying to read the actual, detailed problems people have with the endings, and you know what, I have up till now not read a single real, well thought out issue that someone has with the content of the ending (i.e. the point being made). A lot of the issues people seem to have are born out of them either;

A) Misrepresenting certain basic facts.
B) Not having sat down for just even 5 mins to think about what the ending could mean and instead just having a knee jerk reaction to it.

A lot of the criticisms out there right now are just not well thought out. It seems that people are just p!ssed off that they didn't get the "oh everything is happy days" ending. But not all good stories need to have that ending.

Now true, if your only concept of a 'good story' is something like that Twilight saga drivel, then I can understand that you are just not exposed to actual good stories (not saying that ME has an amazing story, but it sure as hell is better than "ZOMG LETS BLOW UP SOME TERROROIZTZ" story of something like CoD).



At the end of the day, I think the entire community needs to take some time off and do the following;

1) Actually THINK about the ending before firing the gun.
2) After that, try to precisely articulate what you still find inconsistent. Back up what you are saying.
3) Come back to the forums and post a long post with your analysis. Remember to keep it respectful.


One last point. No matter what you actually think or believe, you will be listened to much more intently if you keep childish bullsh!te, hyperbole and generally over the top "the sky has fallen" stuff out of your point 3).


Seriously people, you are devolving BSN into something more akin to an XBox live CoD match. Don't be silly.

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Sdrol117

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Lol I'm not reading your obvious thread of nonsense that I figured out was idiocy from reading the title and the last sentence.

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Rogue Unit

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Yes, you are.

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Legion64

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Pretty much. This is proof that don't know what plot holes are.

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No, but you're in the minority. Feel free to not download the revised ending DLC when it comes out.

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You are in a minority according to polls 59,000 against 1,300 last time I checked. I don't encourage people however to "rub it in your face". I'm glad you liked the ending, I sure wish I could have

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par Texansamurai, 21 mars 2012 - 09:53 .


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Legion64 wrote...

Pretty much. This is proof that don't know what plot holes are.

There is a vast difference between a plot hole and a travesty. Even if the former exists, there is no reason to make it look like the latter.

Even the single largest "plot hole" that people are complaining about about the ending(s) isn't really as large or crazyZOMG as people are making it out to be.


Did anyone ever bother to think that during the time Shepard is going about his business during the final (post Marauder Shields) sequence that the rest of the universe wasn't just standing around doing nothing? Or that Joker was just chilling up in space twiddling his thumbs?

There was more than enough time in that final sequence for a ship as fast as the Normandy to swoop down, pick up/drop off/do stuff, then swoop back up again.

But then again, people don't even bother to think about that, since they are so intent to "GRR RAGE!!!Rabblerabble"

Modifié par kelsjet, 21 mars 2012 - 09:55 .


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"it seems the whole "the ending was bad" thing is much bigger than I initially thought."

where the hell were you this whole time? lol

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I agree, the ending was ok. Not good not great, not bad just ok.

What I really want is a thread where we discuss the ending and wether or not it is good without someone just sayin "worst ending ever" or "ending sucks and if you disagree you are an apologist"

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Yes.

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kelsjet wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Pretty much. This is proof that don't know what plot holes are.

There is a vast difference between a plot hole and a travesty. Even if the former exists, there is no reason to make it look like the latter.

Even the single largest "plot hole" that people are complaining about about the ending(s) isn't really as large or crazyZOMG as people are making it out to be.


Did anyone ever bother to think that during the time Shepard is going about his business during the final (post Marauder Shields) sequence that the rest of the universe wasn't just standing around doing nothing? Or that Joker was just chilling up in space twiddling his thumbs?

There was more than enough time in that final sequence for a ship as fast as the Normandy to swoop down, pick up/drop off/do stuff, then swoop back up again.

But then again, people don't even bother to think about that, since they are so intent to "GRR RAGE!!!Rabblerabble"


Please refrain from steryotypes and derogatory comments. Thanks

I for one disagree with you, and I can give you many reasons why that would be illogical but this is a non-spoiler forum area so if you want I can PM you a list of objections against what your claiming to be logical.

Modifié par Texansamurai, 21 mars 2012 - 09:59 .


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This isn't just the BSN. It's ground zero prehaps, but it's bigger. There is a facebook page with over 50,000 likes demanding a new ending, and multiple polls around the web. Other forums are reportedly going nuts to, though likely to lesser degrees. In short, this isn't as small as you might think.

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Texansamurai wrote...
I'm glad you liked the ending, I sure wish I could have

Don't just wish.
PM me about any questions you have and I will explain the gaps for you.

I think a lot of people are not liking the ending because maybe they just don't get some of the subtleties. Not that the ending is particularly subtle or amazing, its just not your "ZOMG TERRORIRTZ R DAED! WE WINZ!!" that you usually get in games these days. 

I have yet to actually see someone clearly articulate what is it about the content of the ending that doesn't make sense. All I hear is people raging and saying that they didn't get a "Happy Days!" ending. 

To be honest, a "Happy Days!" ending just would not work in the ME universe. It would be amazingly inconsistent if at the end of the day everyone is happy! It just wouldn't fit.

What is ironic, is that the very same people saying that they don't like the ending because there is no "Happy Days!" are the very same people who in their next breath call the current ending(s) inconsistent.

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Clearly not

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kelsjet wrote...

Don't just wish.
PM me about any questions you have and I will explain the gaps for you.


Will do. Stand by

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No actually.
If I bring in the Indoctrination Theory into it I can actually enjoy the game again.
Thats just it though.... I shouldn't have to rely on fanfiction to make the ending look good.

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yes

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This seems to be the most coherent example of everything that is wrong with the ending.

Please watch:

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Um your whole "people just want a happy ending" i think is a bit of a strawman

let me say i have not finished the game nor completely know the ending

The main problem with the ending from which people have complained about is
-a lack of consistency thematically and in tone
-plotholes
-and,at least from what ive heard, they railroad your choices so they have no effect. Now, this isn't necessarily a bad idea but Bioware has consistently said this would not be the case. Also, I have a strong feeling that this was done to make more money. Whether through DLC or future games, railroading choices makes it much easier to keep continuity. This apparent lack of artistic integrity is what worries me the most about the ending.

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kelsjet wrote...

Texansamurai wrote...
I'm glad you liked the ending, I sure wish I could have

Don't just wish.
PM me about any questions you have and I will explain the gaps for you.

I think a lot of people are not liking the ending because maybe they just don't get some of the subtleties. Not that the ending is particularly subtle or amazing, its just not your "ZOMG TERRORIRTZ R DAED! WE WINZ!!" that you usually get in games these days. 

I have yet to actually see someone clearly articulate what is it about the content of the ending that doesn't make sense. All I hear is people raging and saying that they didn't get a "Happy Days!" ending. 

To be honest, a "Happy Days!" ending just would not work in the ME universe. It would be amazingly inconsistent if at the end of the day everyone is happy! It just wouldn't fit.

What is ironic, is that the very same people saying that they don't like the ending because there is no "Happy Days!" are the very same people who in their next breath call the current ending(s) inconsistent.

Hang around the forums more. Nobody wants a "Happy Days!" ending. We want an ending the makes sense and doesn't detroy everything setup by the entire series.

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M8 i don't think people wanted ZOMG WE WIN but some closure. For example if i make a sacrifice or a character i care about makes a sacrifice I want it to see it translate into something meaningful. I believe most people here would have accepted a tragic bittersweet ending but according to the majority of gamers, the game was sad+bad+major plot holes+ no closure at all. Personally, I think the best option is for the devs to release a DLC and build upon the ending and try to make it better with some more explanation rather than an alternate one. But hey that's just my opinion

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kelsjet wrote...

Texansamurai wrote...
I'm glad you liked the ending, I sure wish I could have

Don't just wish.
PM me about any questions you have and I will explain the gaps for you.

I think a lot of people are not liking the ending because maybe they just don't get some of the subtleties. Not that the ending is particularly subtle or amazing, its just not your "ZOMG TERRORIRTZ R DAED! WE WINZ!!" that you usually get in games these days. 

I have yet to actually see someone clearly articulate what is it about the content of the ending that doesn't make sense. All I hear is people raging and saying that they didn't get a "Happy Days!" ending. 

To be honest, a "Happy Days!" ending just would not work in the ME universe. It would be amazingly inconsistent if at the end of the day everyone is happy! It just wouldn't fit.

What is ironic, is that the very same people saying that they don't like the ending because there is no "Happy Days!" are the very same people who in their next breath call the current ending(s) inconsistent.


I don't think you understand. We're not asking for a Happy ending. We want an ending that makes sense.

The fact that Bioware destroyed the mass relays in the end completely destroys the reason to stop the reapers. Now that the mass relays are gone, everyone still ends up being screwed anyway. You clearly haven't read much of what the community has said about the ending. You're just going by stereotypes

The whole logic about the reapers is terrible. "We made syntheics to kill organics to save organics from being killed by synthetics". Whoever made that idea up needs to re-think that idea. It's stupid.

Until you actually read what people say about the ending, don't make a thread insulting us.

Modifié par Legion64, 21 mars 2012 - 10:08 .


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I agree that you can salvage the plot without much effort. The whole plot is not that bad, the presentation is really bad, and when you get to the last 3 choices, that moment is really pathetic, and the plot also suffers badly.

The best part is, I have spent a lot of time over these past few days trying to read the actual, detailed problems people have with the endings, and you know what, I have up till now not read a single real, well thought out issue that someone has with the content of the ending (i.e. the point being made). A lot of the issues people seem to have are born out of them either;

A) Misrepresenting certain basic facts.
B) Not having sat down for just even 5 mins to think about what the ending could mean and instead just having a knee jerk reaction to it.


Yes, but you could do well and see the strongest arguments, not only the knee jerk ones, against the endings as they are, and they are not few. Then we can argue about it.

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imo the ending fit the story but alot of others will argue it dosent

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"not getting the subtleties"

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No yeah you're right, the well thought out ending  just went right over our heads. That's the problem.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 21 mars 2012 - 10:11 .