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[SpectreVerner]

IGN gave Godhand a 3/10 and Deadly Premonition a 2/10. They are terrible and unreliable.

[Yuzna75]

Only thing I saw from Gameinformer was pretty negative. Also have yet to see any industry people or gaming "journalists" weigh in favor of this decision. I hate the ending and I really hope they polish it rather than make a new one. I would seriously loose faith in bioware if they remake the entire ending into the indoctrination theory just cause people said it should be so.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Stormcroft wrote...

LOL look at all the fanboys stroking his **** on his twitter page

https://twitter.com/#!/notaxation

Gotta love this, his twitter is pretty hilarious. He sounds more like an angry child than most members of our movement.

But I think my favorite part of the video was him telling us how he lost some respect for Bioware, you know, "as artists". I really want to get his opinion on that wonderful post credits message telling us to buy more dlc. Such artistic endeavor.

Edit: Also I love the assumption that the silent majority reflects his opinion.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 21 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Precursor2552]

I think Opera supports us. Its refusing to load the video. Thanks Opera.

[MadMackNT_os]

Have any of the active twitter members asked @masseffect how they feel, given Dr. Ray's comments about destructive criticism, about the response from IGN?

Modifié par MadMackNT_os, 21 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[Space Magic]

parico wrote...

What ever its a video game. Its sad that all these people don't put this effort into something worthwhile like lowering gas prices or feeding homeless people. I come here looking for info about how to play the game and all the threads are babies whining about endings. 130000 out of 1 million is not a majority..... It just those that choose to whine getting misplaced attention.

Why do game reviewers spend their time doing pointless things like reviewing video games?  They should be spending that time figuring out how to solve our broken political system and worldwide financial crisis.

See where that logic goes?  I understand if you're upset over the way everything has gotten so toxic recently, but labeling people as "babies" and "whiners" isn't going to accomplish much more than make things nastier.

Modifié par Space Magic, 21 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[Reptilian Rob]

cchudoba002 wrote...

This was my response I posted on IGN's forums as a direct response to Colin's latest attack on ending detractors:

I
find it hard to believe that you can't find anyone who views this issue
from the other side, but the way IGN keeps taking this stance is
causing a lot of people to believe that IGN and other major gaming
journalism companies who have reacted similarly are simply in
EA/Bioware's pockets due to advertising revenue. Not saying this is the
case, but I believe you all should be aware of this sentiment. Now here
are some counterpoints to just about everything you said in this video:

I can see how some people may call this a dangerous precedent in
gaming, but I respectfully disagree. What is actually a dangerous
precedent is a company selling a product based on numerous statements
about its ending, and those statements turning out to be entirely false.
It is a dangerous precedent to release a product that has enraged a
significant number of fans and then to simply ignore their opinion. No
one is forcing Bioware into anything. The fans have simply expressed
their opinion, albeit strongly. Bioware has decided that it is in their
best interests to appease them, which is probably good business sense.

The next point I will argue with is "artistic integrity." Many would
argue that games are not a form of art. I won't argue that point. Not
all games are art, but I do believe Mass Effect fits into this category.
However, even artists have a obligation to their customers/ sponsors
once they sell that product for money. Even famous Renaissance artists
such as Michelangelo and Da Vinci had their sponsors, and many world
renowned works of art were commissioned jobs. You better believe if the
artists in Renaissance Florence didn't provide what they were hired to
do, there were problems. Besides, not everyone is asking for outright
change of the ending. They just want it to make sense.  Spoiler ahead:
The whole logic you are given for the existence of the primary
antagonists is this: 'We don't want organics to create synthetics that
wipe out all organic life, so we created synthetics to wipe out all
organic life.' This and numerous other plot holes exist, in an otherwise
water tight plot. It feels rushed and wrong. Bioware has established a
precedent by providing an unrivaled quality in their games and attention
to detail that was inexplicably and nonsensically removed from the
arguably most important part of the entire series. No one is challenging
their "artistic integrity." If anything, fans are asking Bioware to
show some "artistic integrity" by actually completing their work.

And what is this about it "definitely" being a vocal minority that is
asking for new endings? How do you know? Do you have access to some
statistics and demographics that everyone else doesn't? At the very
most, you are speculating, and you should just say so. Even if this is
true however, this "vocal minority" consists of some of Bioware's most
passionate and loyal fans who have invested countless hours and currency
into this trilogy. They are their core fanbase, the ones who care
enough to actually write a massive wall of text like this. These are the
fans they should be most out to please.

I also thought it was funny how you stated how Bioware "can't leave
the ending wide open." That's funny because Bioware said that this was
specifically their intention. They said something along the lines of
(paraphrasing here) 'because this is the last of the trilogy, we can
come to wildly different conclusions.' The exact opposite of "leaving it
wide open."

Also, how can you say this sets a "dangerous precedent" for "minor
developers without the same clout as Bioware." Sorry, but a minor
developer without the same kind of clout as Bioware wouldn't get
anywhere near this kind of response. They wouldn't have the same
passionate, dedicated fanbase who would actually care. If this was just
about any other game, most players would simply shrug it off and move
along as Colin said he did with the ending to Resistance 3, which is a
typical on rails FPS which isn't even comparable to a story-centric
choice driven RPG like Mass Effect.

Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks to anyone who actually reads
this. I just thought IGN readers/viewers deserved to see some of the
points of the other side, since IGN doesn't have any staff who are
capable of providing our view. I also wished to demonstrate that Retake
supporters are not all whining crying "entitled" fat babies that Colin
portrayed us as in his last video about this controversy.

+1 for massive truth.

[cotheer]

I guess EA didn't use the lube this time so he's pissed >_>

[fearan1]

IGN is like watching FOX news look at some quotes " We could not find one person to support this" in real life I know 8 people who have this game not 1 likes the End so it is more like we could not find 1 person willing to lose there job by disagreeing with us .

As well a "Tiny minority" take a statistics course your own IGN poll is a landslide against the endings for every 1 person who complains there are dozens unhappy .

In the End Bioware knows the truth and will release more ,hopefully there is a less bleak Shepard lives and can be with LI ending to go along side what is there now with plot holes filled.

[jameshawking]

I lvoed him saying "BioWare can't have it be where some players will have a sequel and some players won't."

ME2 did exactly that

[Cody211282]

I stopped watching when they said they couldn't find someone who supports this.

Ether they only hire people like themselves(and lack of diversity is a scary ass thing), or they refuse to let anyone come out with why this would have been a good thing.

Honestly real journalist would at least pretended to play devil advocate (hell that one of the first things you do in a debate class) and their unwillingness to do show just shows that they are petty ego driven snobs.

[Grasich]

Marfyy wrote...

I hardly ever post on BSN, call me a lurker if you will. I've been an avid Bioware supporter since as long as I can remember. I admit I might not like certain endings to their games but I've always respected the closure they brought. Some endings are memorable, some aren't. DA:O had multiple endings, I got a rather depressing one but I still thought it was amazing.

I fully believe that my fellow gamers aren't going to set some sort of "precedent" where they'll become activists each time an ending isn't exactly the way they wanted it to be. No, this is about giving ME3 a worthy ending that's respectful to the series, to its fans and ultimately to Bioware.

Bioware can do better than this.

This. I had never even touched BSN until this. Even for DA2, which, while I had "fun" playing it, did not really find to be a good game. Now I'm on here every day.

The game as it is is NOT worthy of Bioware OR the series itself.

[Dr_Hello]

When it comes to journalism,

A journalist by definition ought not to be opiniated and biased, their job is to research, analyze and inform. Every story has two sides to it.

Many of the IGN writers aren't journalist? They are bloggers and commentators. Their opinions are no greater than the public's.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 21 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Pelle6666]

What an ass! "A vocal super minority" WTF does that even mean?

[Shallyah]

This Colin Moriarty doesn't even understand that Bioware isn't changing his ending. Just offering diferent ones to the rest of mortals. There are already 16 endings, he doesn't seem bothered by the other 15 he didn't choose so far...

[Cody211282]

Pelle6666 wrote...

What an ass! "A vocal super minority" WTF does that even mean?

It's basicly him complaning that people don't agree with him.

Honestly people like him are the reason why I hid that I am a gamer to most people, and that I'm also ashamed of most my generation.

[Sublime82]

parico wrote...

What ever its a video game. Its sad that all these people don't put this effort into something worthwhile like lowering gas prices or feeding homeless people. I come here looking for info about how to play the game and all the threads are babies whining about endings. 130000 out of 1 million is not a majority..... It just those that choose to whine getting misplaced attention.

Did you miss the part where $80,000 was raised for charity..?  Hater's gon' hate.

[Gordulan]

Edit: Screw it, not prepared to pay them for their so called "service". If someone else does so, It'll be interesting to see the end result.

Modifié par Gordulan, 21 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Cody211282 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

What an ass! "A vocal super minority" WTF does that even mean?

It's basicly him complaning that people don't agree with him.

Honestly people like him are the reason why I hid that I am a gamer to most people, and that I'm also ashamed of most my generation.

I'm still getting past his idea that because we don't have two million people complaining that two million people loved the ending.

[2484Stryker]

I wonder why IGN hates this. This means they can no longer rate the games however they want and expect the fans to keep quiet. This means they might actually have to do some unbiased reviews, or risk hearing about it from their readers.

Artistic integrity isn't something you can just hide behind whenever you make a mistake.  This open-ended, open-to-speculation ending was a bad idea, but not only that, it wasn't even done correctly.  I did not feel one ounce of bittersweetness.  All I felt was "dafuq did I just watch" moment.

IGN's real bosses over at EA will have to think twice about churning out cheap, sub-par games on a yearly basis and still expect to make a hefty profit. Now, before I get raged on - NO, ME3 is not a sub-par game. It is a very good game with a sub-par ending - an ending that they may now fix.

Today, is a good day.

Modifié par 2484Stryker, 21 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Rafe34]

jameshawking wrote...

I lvoed him saying "BioWare can't have it be where some players will have a sequel and some players won't."

ME2 did exactly that

I know, right?

Heck, even in its current form, ME3 does that. You can get Shepard breathing after the Destroy ending, but Shep is clearly vaporized in both the blue and green endings.

[KILLER_CATTT]

Read the article!  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10418399/1#10419374

Modifié par KILLER_CATTT, 22 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[Cody211282]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

What an ass! "A vocal super minority" WTF does that even mean?

It's basicly him complaning that people don't agree with him.

Honestly people like him are the reason why I hid that I am a gamer to most people, and that I'm also ashamed of most my generation.

I'm still getting past his idea that because we don't have two million people complaining that two million people loved the ending.

Yet again everything that comes out of him scream that he has no idea how stats work. The guys a good for nothing punk that couldn't make it in the real world so turn to the internet to make a living.

[Grasich]

cchudoba002 wrote...

This was my response I posted on IGN's forums as a direct response to Colin's latest attack on ending detractors:

I
find it hard to believe that you can't find anyone who views this issue
from the other side, but the way IGN keeps taking this stance is
causing a lot of people to believe that IGN and other major gaming
journalism companies who have reacted similarly are simply in
EA/Bioware's pockets due to advertising revenue. Not saying this is the
case, but I believe you all should be aware of this sentiment. Now here
are some counterpoints to just about everything you said in this video:

I can see how some people may call this a dangerous precedent in
gaming, but I respectfully disagree. What is actually a dangerous
precedent is a company selling a product based on numerous statements
about its ending, and those statements turning out to be entirely false.
It is a dangerous precedent to release a product that has enraged a
significant number of fans and then to simply ignore their opinion. No
one is forcing Bioware into anything. The fans have simply expressed
their opinion, albeit strongly. Bioware has decided that it is in their
best interests to appease them, which is probably good business sense.

The next point I will argue with is "artistic integrity." Many would
argue that games are not a form of art. I won't argue that point. Not
all games are art, but I do believe Mass Effect fits into this category.
However, even artists have a obligation to their customers/ sponsors
once they sell that product for money. Even famous Renaissance artists
such as Michelangelo and Da Vinci had their sponsors, and many world
renowned works of art were commissioned jobs. You better believe if the
artists in Renaissance Florence didn't provide what they were hired to
do, there were problems. Besides, not everyone is asking for outright
change of the ending. They just want it to make sense.  Spoiler ahead:
The whole logic you are given for the existence of the primary
antagonists is this: 'We don't want organics to create synthetics that
wipe out all organic life, so we created synthetics to wipe out all
organic life.' This and numerous other plot holes exist, in an otherwise
water tight plot. It feels rushed and wrong. Bioware has established a
precedent by providing an unrivaled quality in their games and attention
to detail that was inexplicably and nonsensically removed from the
arguably most important part of the entire series. No one is challenging
their "artistic integrity." If anything, fans are asking Bioware to
show some "artistic integrity" by actually completing their work.

And what is this about it "definitely" being a vocal minority that is
asking for new endings? How do you know? Do you have access to some
statistics and demographics that everyone else doesn't? At the very
most, you are speculating, and you should just say so. Even if this is
true however, this "vocal minority" consists of some of Bioware's most
passionate and loyal fans who have invested countless hours and currency
into this trilogy. They are their core fanbase, the ones who care
enough to actually write a massive wall of text like this. These are the
fans they should be most out to please.

I also thought it was funny how you stated how Bioware "can't leave
the ending wide open." That's funny because Bioware said that this was
specifically their intention. They said something along the lines of
(paraphrasing here) 'because this is the last of the trilogy, we can
come to wildly different conclusions.' The exact opposite of "leaving it
wide open."

Also, how can you say this sets a "dangerous precedent" for "minor
developers without the same clout as Bioware." Sorry, but a minor
developer without the same kind of clout as Bioware wouldn't get
anywhere near this kind of response. They wouldn't have the same
passionate, dedicated fanbase who would actually care. If this was just
about any other game, most players would simply shrug it off and move
along as Colin said he did with the ending to Resistance 3, which is a
typical on rails FPS which isn't even comparable to a story-centric
choice driven RPG like Mass Effect.

Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks to anyone who actually reads
this. I just thought IGN readers/viewers deserved to see some of the
points of the other side, since IGN doesn't have any staff who are
capable of providing our view. I also wished to demonstrate that Retake
supporters are not all whining crying "entitled" fat babies that Colin
portrayed us as in his last video about this controversy.

Just using this quote here: http://social.biowar.../index/10413029

[Dr_Hello]

2484Stryker wrote...

I wonder why IGN hates this. This means they can no longer rate the games however they want and expect the fans to keep quiet. This means they might actually have to do some unbiased reviews, or risk hearing about it from their readers.

Artistic integrity isn't something you can just hide behind whenever you make a mistake.  This open-ended, open-to-speculation ending was a bad idea, but not only that, it wasn't even done correctly.  I did not feel one ounce of bittersweetness.  All I felt was "dafuq did I just watch" moment.

IGN's reall bosses over at EA will have to think twice about churning out cheap, sub-par games on a yearly basis and still expect to make a hefty profit. Now, before I get raged on - NO, ME3 is not a sub-par game. It is a very good game with a sub-par ending - an ending that they may now fix.

Today, is a good day.

Some of the writers at IGN have big ego's. They write for themselves, not for readers. They think their words and opinions are holy.