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[Mandemon]

"You can't leave it open so that some have sequel and others don't"

Yeah, that would dangerous precedent NO WAIT MASS EFFECT 2 DID IT

Also, Bioware has not made solid promises, only that they are looking into matter and plan to release DLC. It does not necessarily mean it changes or adds to ending.

Then again, IGNorance is strong in this ones...

[anlk92]

Dridengx wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

IGN is a joke. Seriously.

I can't even be bothered to read their site anymore after how they handled this.

I could easily say the same of BSN members. The way you guys are handling the ending, your emotions, and demanding someone work to be altered for your pleasure of what their ending should be is a joke. I suppose its always easier to see other people's faults and not your own so continue hating IGN for their opinion, just like you hate Gametrailers, Kotaku, Destructiod, Sourcefed, Giant Bomb, and many many more who disagree with your opinion.

Everyone is a joke, but you.. the person who can't get over a video game ending lol.

And you're a person who can't get over a movement about a video game ending. I guess that makes things even?

[GuilleCuba]

brian_breed wrote...

"I know that when I beat the game - before it came out - when I reviewed the game, I actually really enjoyed the ending. It put a smile on my face, and, uhh, I understood, uhh, why the ending was the way it was." -Colin Moriarty. 1:50-2:10 in the video

It put a smile on your face? Really?

You understood why the ending was the way it was? This is your opportunity to fill the rest of us in!

he likes SPACE MAGIC:wizard:

[talk_sick]

Cheer up BioWare - these two dorks completely fail to understand the nature of the problem, and if Moriarty says he's lost some respect for you that's worth less than the complete Twilight sparkly edition ™.

[dallicant]

blmlozz wrote...

When did games start to become art instead of a consumer product? I've seen this 'term' thrown around on the defensive side. Art is fine when it's for yourself and the appreciation of others that are not paying for it and have certian expectations.

I couldn't make it more than 10 seconds after 'we couldn't find anyone to support bioware's' decision'

The funny thing is, IGN's argument fails even on an artistic level.  They put the idea of "artistic vision" as sacrosanct, and in so doing betray their own fundamental ignorance of the subject.  Artistic vision is always subject to criticism.  Artists who fail to heed criticism may well doom themselves to perpetual mediocrity or outright failure.

Furthermore, artistic vision is often modified by third parties.  This is why there are editors, producers, etc.  For instance, Cormac McCarthy has a very distinct writing style that eschews the use of quotation marks.  As it turns out, this is because the typewriter he likes to use has a broken key.  He expected that the editor would fix this, but the editor actually chose to keep it, further characterizing the author's prose.  While I'm not the biggest fan of McCarthy (I liked No Country for Old Men, but thought the film version was better [I also think the editor should have added the quotation marks, since their absence only calls attention to itself]), the point stands that art is ultimately a collaborative process.

One of the reasons that movies are test screened is to ensure quality.  The first version of Kevin Smith's Clerks ended with the protagonist being shot to death by a robber.  Negative reaction prompted him to change the ending, and no one condemned the audience for being entitled.

This is not to say that interference is always a good thing.  Hollywood is full of stories about good scripts hacked to incoherence by greedy or timid executives.  Likewise, there are times when a singular vision works to everyone's benefit; Marcel Proust self-published many of his works.

Ultimately, it is inaccurate to paint a picture of noble artists and stupid audiences.  The reality is simply more complex; alteration can be good or bad.  I do not see how any reasonable person can claim that the artist is immune from criticism or feedback, or that audiences are selfish for giving it.

[TLK Spires]

*all points bulletin*

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the way you deal with ign is the same way you deal with the likes of rush limbaugh and skip bayless. they only want to get a rise out of you, not because they are trolls (they aren't), but because they are genuine parasites that derive sustenance from misguided frustrations caused by their own efforts. the way you combat such contagion is simple:

IGNORE THEM.

[nevar00]

THEY.
HAVE.
A.
REPORTER.
WORKING.
FOR.
THEM.
IN.
THE.
GAME.

They are literally THE LAST place I would EVER expect an unbiased take on things from.

Now let's go a step further and look at who exactly is doing these videos:

- guy's twitter tag is notaxation
- Gadsden flag is his picture

As if we needed even more reason to ignore everything this clown says.

[pavi132]

taelus.calimshan wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Bahah, they're starting to lose ground. I love it.

100% sure that Colin (one of those) will make a ragevideo when the DLC will come out

"This is an outrage Bioware!! Pleasing fif*coffcoffcough*thousand fans over us and other 74 reviewers! Shame on you!"

Ok, I don't normally indulge in this, but I have to let out this little bit of a flame...

If what's being said is true about them being in EA's pocket, the hilarious part will be that once DLC is released to correct the endings <fingers crossed> as EA supporters they'll have to come out saying that it's the best choice BioWare could have made and that the changes are wonderful.  Oh man I really want to see that.

It's going to be hilarious! "Bioware you ruined the game! btw DLC rating 10/10!"

[TerrifiedKiz]

Great! Once again IGN completly missed the point of the whole debate... And also started to bash BioWare for listening to ITS OWN FANBASE! Come on... this guy is a joke, i guess we really can't spell IGNorant without IGN.

[Aweus]

Dridengx wrote...


Funny thing is, no one is for Retake Movement but.... Angry Joe, Gamefront, and..........yeah that's it. Who's against Retake? everyone. Congrats, though, you cried yourself to FTC, BBB, Refunds, took control of forums, and wrote letters, did petitions, and got your voice out there.. pity its all for a video game ending lol and not something worth a damn.. like political movement,  an election, to create a law, to save someone on death row etc

If it is not worth a damn than why do you care so much? I see you posting here since days spreading righteousness and bashing the Retake movement.

[Vhalkyrie]

I think this sets a good precedence that game companies should pay the same care and attention into the ending as the rest of the game. The characters who died had more impacting/meaningful deaths than Shepard. For a protagonist, that is unforgivable.

[118Cashmore]

man oh man, did they miss the mark by a land slide. why should a game that has let you make choices that affect lives, a game that feels very real and emotional, suddenly flip and become so surreal and lead you by the hand. If bioware wanted to tell a a story, they would have made it a linear narrative like uncharted or batman, the story was my story, i had different choices and assets to my friends, yet i and them received the same ending that the other 90 million people who bought it got.

[Diegofsv]

My god, I was always a big fan of IGN for their PC and Nintendo sites. But after Bozon and Mark left nintendo, and most of the reviews from PC came from xbox and ps3 editors (whom I always hated), my visits started to fade. Most reviews I do enjoy now come from Angry Joe but he don't review all the games out there. Now seeing their ME3 position, its all so imature that I'm ashamed to use this site. God, look at all those guys talking, they are so bad.....

[Mandemon]

pavi132 wrote...

taelus.calimshan wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Bahah, they're starting to lose ground. I love it.

100% sure that Colin (one of those) will make a ragevideo when the DLC will come out

"This is an outrage Bioware!! Pleasing fif*coffcoffcough*thousand fans over us and other 74 reviewers! Shame on you!"

Ok, I don't normally indulge in this, but I have to let out this little bit of a flame...

If what's being said is true about them being in EA's pocket, the hilarious part will be that once DLC is released to correct the endings <fingers crossed> as EA supporters they'll have to come out saying that it's the best choice BioWare could have made and that the changes are wonderful.  Oh man I really want to see that.

It's going to be hilarious! "Bioware you ruined the game! btw DLC rating 10/10!"

Going to download this video and when the "Bioware made best decision ever" video comes out I am going to upload this one on Youtube and send it to the IGN and every forum I can.

Because revenge is best served cold:bandit:

Okay not revenge but I want to see them justify that one 

[kookie28]

Why is everyone assuming that Bioware is planning to add to or change the endings?

Ray's post didn't confirm anything.

[Berty213]

Dridengx wrote...

MassFrank wrote...

If you want the endings to change. Be glad these guys are against you, because I think they would do more harm if they were for you.

You think so? IGN helps people all the time just recently they held a tournament with Capcom to help promote their game giving out cash and prizes. IGN is big and well known within the gaming community, ofcourse being so big also means biggest hate as well, such with all things popular.

Funny thing is, no one is for Retake Movement but.... Angry Joe, Gamefront, and..........yeah that's it. Who's against Retake? everyone. Congrats, though, you cried yourself to FTC, BBB, Refunds, took control of forums, and wrote letters, did petitions, and got your voice out there.. pity its all for a video game ending lol and not something worth a damn.. like political movement,  an election, to create a law, to save someone on death row etc

I understand you stand with IGN and while I disagree with IGN, I do respect your opinion, but please refrain from insulting the movement as it will only cause arguments.

[Nuclear Pete]

CavScout wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

I respect his views, but he is misinformed (nicest way I can put it).

Changing ficiton is nothing new. Others have listed Fallout 3 and Prince of Persia. But what about films:

Star Wars
Lord of the Rings
Blade Runner
Donnie Darko
Metropolis
Apocalypse Now Redux

All of these films were changed after release.

Artists changing their work =/= Fan demands changing an artist's work

It's not a hard concept.

Not the point. Bioware don't have to change anything. They don't have to give in to fan demand. They are chosing to edit the endings.

Some of these films were changed changed due to studio or fan feedback. 

And I don't for a second think bioware will "change the ending". Dr Muzyka implied nothing more than a few addtional scenes to provide more clarity and closure.

[ScotGaymer]

Dridengx wrote...

MassFrank wrote...

If you want the endings to change. Be glad these guys are against you, because I think they would do more harm if they were for you.

You think so? IGN helps people all the time just recently they held a tournament with Capcom to help promote their game giving out cash and prizes. IGN is big and well known within the gaming community, ofcourse being so big also means biggest hate as well, such with all things popular.

Funny thing is, no one is for Retake Movement but.... Angry Joe, Gamefront, and..........yeah that's it. Who's against Retake? everyone. Congrats, though, you cried yourself to FTC, BBB, Refunds, took control of forums, and wrote letters, did petitions, and got your voice out there.. pity its all for a video game ending lol and not something worth a damn.. like political movement,  an election, to create a law, to save someone on death row etc

You are actually very wrong.

Most of the gaming media sites started out against us because they followed IGNs reactionary lead of screaming "artistic lisence!" and "whiny entitled gamers!"
As I said the other sites, one they had it pointed out to them that this wasn't true, and did a bit of research came around and started posting either neutral articles or articles in our favour.

And considering we have one of the biggest most famous magazines/media outlets in the ENTIRE WORLD on our side, it is hardly a small or irrelevant thing. I am speaking of course about Forbes magazine, possibly the most famous magazine in the world after Time Magazine.

IGN and Destructoid are the only major sites that continued spouting their ignorance.

[nevar00]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

I think this sets a good precedence that game companies should pay the same care and attention into the ending as the rest of the game. The characters who died had more impacting/meaningful deaths than Shepard. For a protagonist, that is unforgivable.

Agreed, if any precedent is set it is that gamers aren't mindless slimes who'll bend over backwards to buy anything these corporations spew out and lap it up if the press gives it a good enough rating. 

The ending was an atrocity as both a game and as far as writing is concerned, we'll (hopefully) see it improved somewhat.  This is not a bad thing.

Then again the guy who is making these videos is a Teabagger so I'm really not surprised.

[Ahviro]

MjK wrote...

Rabbidsquirrel88 wrote...

 Because:

Hahaha, perfect !

:DDDDD 

[eddieoctane]

panamakira wrote...

Of course they're at it again. They gotta defend their asset in the game, Chobot.

They're feeding of your anger and just want to be cool and be part of the conversation.

Just ignore them.

Except none of us are calling for an end to Chobot's character. If anything, she is only going to get more face time, which would probably draw a few more page views to IGN, and therefore increase thewir revenue. So it's really just elitist hipster garbage.

They still feed on our hate and should be ignored, but I just wanted to point out how it's probably better for them to be on "our side".

[katness]

Collin has more plot holes than the game's ending...

[Grasich]

kookie28 wrote...

Why is everyone assuming that Bioware is planning to add to or change the endings?

Ray's post didn't confirm anything.

Either they do this, or they will suffer. (financially, of course) Fans(customers) don't like being treated like wallets that the company can just take from whenever they want and claim "artistic integerity" whenever the fans(customers) have an issue with it.